Blackburn Rovers vs Brentford, Friday, March 12.

[TheRoversReturn]

1 minute ago, Richard Oakley said:

5 points from 30 is relegation form.

It's 23 points over the course of a season.

Naming it "Relegation form" is bigging it up. We'd not even be close to being involved in a relegation scrap with that return. With ten games to go, Wycombe already have three more points than that. It's not even a bad run of form, we'd need a couple of wins quick sharp to even reach that ridiculously low bar!!!

I'm sorry, but anyone wanting Mowbray to stay after that can't really be a Rovers fan. Yet they're all over the LET saying that they still think he's the man for Rovers. What in the living daylights are they doing as they've obviously not been following BRFC this season?!?!?!?!?

 

[arbitro]

23 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Ah, didn't realise that. He was that far behind play I assumed he must have been waved back on the pitch.

I've lost track of the current offside law. Does that not raise all sorts of issues as to whether he would have been offside the second he touched the ball?

No because the ball wasn't played by a team mate. Also the ball needs to be played forwards for a player to be offside.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, TheRoversReturn said:

You can only be offside if another member of your team touches it, you can't play yourself offside. 

Good point, cheers.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, arbitro said:

No because the ball wasn't played by a team mate. Also the ball needs to be played forwards for a player to be offside.

👍

[Richard Oakley]

1 minute ago, TheRoversReturn said:

It's 23 points over the course of a season.

Naming it "Relegation form" is bigging it up. We'd not even be close to being involved in a relegation scrap with that return. With ten games to go, Wycombe already have three more points than that. It's not even a bad run of form, we'd need a couple of wins quick sharp to even reach that ridiculously low bar!!!

I'm sorry, but anyone wanting Mowbray to stay after that can't really be a Rovers fan. Yet they're all over the LET saying that they still think he's the man for Rovers. What in the living daylights are they doing as they've obviously not been following BRFC this season?!?!?!?!?

 

23 points over a season will get you relegated, so no, it's not 'bigging' it up. It is relegation form because we're not going to get the points to reach that 50+ points and safety.

[roverandout]

46 minutes ago, matt83 said:

Back then I really didn’t want to trudge around from pub to ground chanting Kean out. Wasn’t the best look for me particularly if someone from work had seen. But as soon as Kean laughed off the protests vs Arsenal as the 1% I swore I’d never miss another one. If only more did get involved who knows what message that would have sent to India. 

You did ur best. Funnily enough my manager saw me on TV protesting and congratulated me

[SBlue]

1 hour ago, matt83 said:

Listening to Thomas Frank speak we just can’t follow the Brentford model. Frank is an intelligent arsene Wenger thinker with some sort of sports psychology degree I believe. Mowbray is a drongo from Middlesbrough who knows more about biscuits than organising a defence.

Thinking just isn’t his thing. In general I think Rovers would be better if Mowbray wasn’t told who we were playing until 15 minutes before kick off so he can’t try to think. 

Also, we would be destroying the best thing about the club - the academy.

Yeah Brentford do well (and don’t we hear about it all the blinking time) but there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

[Hasta]

46 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

So why the one with Nyambe not?

It was. Blatant.

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, ben_the_beast said:

Ruined by officials rewarding playacting. It's not just simply the refs being conned. The definition of what is foul play has become softer and softer over the years to the point whereby we are in the realms of non contact. 

& to make it worse, when players like Phil Foden stay on their feet the penalty isn’t given...🤷‍♂️

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, S8 & Blue said:

Also, we would be destroying the best thing about the club - the academy.

Funny you should say that............

[RoverInverness]

7 hours ago, Carbz said:

A game with few chances and action that was decided by a penalty. I don’t like the direction football is going. The penalty that was given was one where the player was playing for it. The ones that weren’t given was where the players weren’t playing for a penalty. Too many penalties been given in football nowadays and the players are playing for the penalties as a tactic to win the game more and more. 

If I could give this more likes I would. Absolutely spot on!

[riverholmes]

I would be very glad to hear from anyone who saw the full game to explain why, based on the highlights, Ryan Nyambe was, at key moments, elsewhere (the penalty foul), centre back (the Vitaly Janelt chance, where Lenihan seems to be at RB) and in the left back area (for the Harwood-Bellis foul leading to the long-range free-kick attempt). As per his attacking duties, Nyambe is also seen in the right wing position too, in the highlights.

The positional mayhem is clearly not just about Nyambe. Harwood-Bellis gives away the free-kick attempt foul in the left midfield area. For the Janelt chance, Lenihan seems to be at right back and, for the penalty foul, Douglas is also AWOL. Whilst Nyambe gets back, Douglas, doesn't.

I increasingly get the feeling that the elite level of the game evolved away from 4-4-2/3-5-2 as the formation mainstays but many managers and players have followed without really knowing how to set up their teams in these 'novel' ways. Clearly, if you're going to have two 'flying' full backs, then, you need at least one, if not two, specialist defensive midfielder who do nothing but shield the defence and play out from the back and, ideally, with one who pulls off to fill vacant defensive spaces out wide.

I also get the feeling that Nyambe, being the only one with any pace in the defence, is either assuming, or being expected - or most likely, both, to do too much. He even seemed to be in the defensive midfield position at one point in the highlights. Imagine him playing JUST as a right back. I think he'd do it very well.

Edit:

I made this point in the previous game but a number of Rovers players stand motionless as penalties are taken. It seems as if Dack and Buckley, amongst others, don't anticipate a rebound. I think this reveals a lack of defensive desire, which, you might expect from a forward but not a central midfielder. It should really be inexcusable for any player, in my opinion.

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by riverholmes

[TheRoversReturn]

11 hours ago, Richard Oakley said:

23 points over a season will get you relegated, so no, it's not 'bigging' it up. It is relegation form because we're not going to get the points to reach that 50+ points and safety.

My point was not to disagree with you, but instead to say that "relegation form" doesn't cover the half of it. 11 points in 10 games in the championship is regular, normal relegation form. 5 points in 10 games over the course of a season is full-on-humilation-for-the-club form and relegation at the start of March. 

Our form is more Sheffield United 2021 and Derby County 2009 than the likes of Fulham or Rotherham this season. With many millions of pounds' of talent on the pitch each and every game, we're worse than Wycombe Wanderers who would have one of the lowest salary outlays in League One, never mind the Championship.

We have been so mind-numbingly poor compared to what we should MINIMALLY expect recently that every single day with TM at the helm highlights just why we've been one of worst-run clubs around for ten years and counting. I'd get annoyed but after ten years all that's left is a form of meh-ness to it all. 

If we were a song, we'd be Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb. 

Hello Venky's, is there anybody in there? 

Edited March 14, 2021 by TheRoversReturn

[Mattyblue]

 

[ben_the_beast]

Thought I'd pop this in here. The ref we has obviously has previous with Mowbray. 

There will be plenty of people with history in the game but for me Eltringhams performance was so inept the other night there must have been at least some level of unconscious bias.

[neophox]

Rotherham have 4 games in hand and is 12p adrift. I think it's Birmingham who will go down with Sheffield W and Wycombe and we will manage to stay up above those. 

[neophox]

5p of 30 and play off ambitions. Can't believe the Manager is still here. Think he feels responsible for us getting deeper the relegation and want to make us safe and hopefully he will leave at the end of season. 

[tomphil]

The narrative will be changing again soon if we end up in a relegation scrap. 

Fact is Weds and Brum will be down there partly because of poor management and so will we.

[USABlue]

On 13/03/2021 at 03:57, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I hope Sam Gallagher has the b*llocks once the dust has settled on last night to knock on Tony’s office to tell him just how effected he is mentally from being shunted out wide. We all know he’s no world beater but Mowbray has absolutely ruined the bloke IMO. The longest failed experiment of all time. 

What I said a while back.  Any other manager but ToMo would see it did not work and stop doing it.

[Bigdoggsteel]

It's surely the worst run any team had been on this season, is it? 

[joey_big_nose]

On 14/03/2021 at 07:38, Mattyblue said:

 

Thats amazing. Reminds me of quite a few exchanges on here!

[Exiled in Toronto]

On 13/03/2021 at 11:18, arbitro said:

When I was active John every game had an assessor in attendance and he would join us pre match and stay for all the formalities. After the game there would be a debrief when aspects of the game could be discussed. In the next couple of days the assessor compiled his report and, if he needed to would view critical incidents on a DVD. He would then mark accordingly. In my time clubs were denied access to these reports as they were deemed private. With the advent of the full time Select Group Two (effectively Championship referees) there was a marked change. Each game is evaluated minute by minute by an individual and critical incidents ie penalties and sendings off are noted. Each week a panel of evaluators sit and go through every referred critical incident and decide as to its correctness or not. The mark is awarded on this basis and merit lists are constructed from these marks. There is an appeals process if the referee is unhappy with his mark. Hopefully the referee will analyse his own game and be honest with himself. I always said my best assessor was myself and most of my learning came through watching dvd's with a critical eye.

They also have coaches whose main role is to improve them but I personally don't think referees coaching works.

Thanks Tony. Would anyone take a ref to task over a pattern of mistakes over time? 

[Mattyblue]

8 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

Thats amazing. Reminds me of quite a few exchanges on here!

The two posts that the video was added for have been deleted, but it still works generally for brfcs 😁

[arbitro]

7 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Thanks Tony. Would anyone take a ref to task over a pattern of mistakes over time? 

I would hope the official would do himself but his coach should read his reports and watch clips and his job is then to come up with some remedies.