Summer transfer window 2021.

[roversfan99]

Mowbray shouldn't be in a job but how Venkys have not got the wrath for this summer is beyond me.

Mowbray is clearly not the man to utilise a limited budget effectively, but being in an embargo for example was a limitation above his head. Being only allowed to sign kids on loan, something the manager wasnt aware of when we released our remaining experience was again not his fault. And allowing players to run down their deals, clearly something Mowbray isnt confortable with is bonkers.

FFP is the latest reason for everything, and of course we need to abide by it. But it is counter productive to allow potential sellable assets to run out of contract to avoid FFP regulations! They have no logic and no plan.

 

[islander200]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Do you think that, on the assumptions based on Mowbrays interview, that Armstrong goes, we sign 5 kids with minimal first team experience on loan and no permanent signings or further experience, that we would stay up?

I don't doubt that the manager who I reiterate shouldnt be here has not spent money totally efficiently. But Mowbray specifically said that he is conscious of contracts expiring and assets and clearly isnt comfortable with allowing their deals to expire, how is that specifically his fault that we arent offering them now?

Even if it is a money saving tactic, its a senseless one, because selling assets and running at a transfer profit is a great way to stay within the rules. 

You can say FFP requirements until you are blue in the face but nothing that I have suggested is expecting mass investment, just logic and a constructive plan. We lose so much because of the owners. Had the summer plan been to sell Armstrong, allow a replacement on a permanent deal (either a swap or even a 1-2m signing) with focus on extending current contracts (maybe even sell and replace Rothwell/Nyambe if they dont want to renew, raising further fees) and bringing in 2 or 3 loans and a couple of experienced heads on frees whilst still making a wage saving on the dozen that left, I would have accepted that.

Allowing contracts of assets to run down is not something that fits with FFP, a key way to avoid huge losses is selling assets, something Venkys have never mastered. Even when we sold Cairney, Gestede etc, it was when we had to and for minimal fees. 

I dont get how your reaction to that article is anger towards the manager. Surely the fact that Mowbray is saying that he didnt anticipate relying solely on loans this summer when numerous players were released, and is quite clearly not happy, saying that its not how he wants to work.

He shouldnt be here and is not competent for his job, but this summer is all down on Venkys and they will be happy that Mowbray takes the flak even for things that he isnt to blame for.

That first paragraph is spot on, there just seems to be a lack of clarity, moving the goalposts, suddenly its a loans only policy which wasnt Mowbrays understanding when the players we let go were released, allowing players to run contracts down when a slight pay rise could lead to a few million in at a later date, its a joke.

I am quite open minded on loans, if they are better than what we have then 100% get them in. But only loans and 5 of them is far too many.

Also, we do need a permanent replacement for Armstrong as you say. Even if we make a 10m profit overall with a cheap replacement, then hope to polish him up, then repeat the process.

Mowbray was the one who recommended that Mulgrew,Bennett ,Evans ,Smallwood etc etc etc get improved lucrative deals, after a few month most hardly played.So yes Mowbray has had as big a part as anyone that we are in the situation we are in.

It's not new what he says about not wanting loans,he says the same stuff every season 

[Ricky]

So it looks like Palace are the front runners…. After Nixon announced it was definitely going to be Norwich. Probably shouldn’t be shocked at that tbf.

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Mowbray shouldn't be in a job but how Venkys have not got the wrath for this summer is beyond me.

Mowbray is clearly not the man to utilise a limited budget effectively, but being in an embargo for example was a limitation above his head. Being only allowed to sign kids on loan, something the manager wasnt aware of when we released our remaining experience was again not his fault. And allowing players to run down their deals, clearly something Mowbray isnt confortable with is bonkers.

FFP is the latest reason for everything, and of course we need to abide by it. But it is counter productive to allow potential sellable assets to run out of contract to avoid FFP regulations! They have no logic and no plan.

 

I'm sure Mowbray was in the media before the last season even finished that the budget had been agreed

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Mowbray shouldn't be in a job but how Venkys have not got the wrath for this summer is beyond me.

Mowbray is clearly not the man to utilise a limited budget effectively, but being in an embargo for example was a limitation above his head. Being only allowed to sign kids on loan, something the manager wasnt aware of when we released our remaining experience was again not his fault. And allowing players to run down their deals, clearly something Mowbray isnt confortable with is bonkers.

FFP is the latest reason for everything, and of course we need to abide by it. But it is counter productive to allow potential sellable assets to run out of contract to avoid FFP regulations! They have no logic and no plan.

 

I think it goes without saying about Venkys at this stage. We all know the story. They aren't going anywhere though and Mowbray has been given time and money and failed to prepare us. So he deserves the flack. 

I agree he's not the man to bring the youngsters through, but for some reason ,he is being tasked with it. 

Their absenteeism lack of football knowledge and inability to hire good staff just makes mountains out of mole hills and everything is exacerbated

Edited August 5, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Mowbray was the one who recommended that Mulgrew,Bennett ,Evans ,Smallwood etc etc etc get improved lucrative deals, after a few month most hardly played.So yes Mowbray has had as big a part as anyone that we are in the situation we are in.

It's not new what he says about not wanting loans,he says the same stuff every season 

But Mowbray is not in control of his own budget, presumably those extensions fell within his budget. It is down to people above Mowbray to ensure that we dont exceed FFP regulations. The embargo was not his fault nor the change in transfer policy to loaning kids only, something he said today he wasnt aware of at the start of the summer.

Like I said, Mowbray shouldnt be the manager and isnt the man to utilise his resources as efficiently as need someone to.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I think it goes without saying about Venkys at this stage. We all know the story. They aren't going anywhere though and Mowbray has been given time and money and failed to prepare us. So he deserves the flack. 

I agree he's not the man to bring the youngsters through, but for some reason ,he is being tasked with it. 

Their absenteeism lack of football knowledge and inability to hire good staff just makes mountains out of mole hills and everything is exacerbated

He doesn't deserve the flak for things that arent his fault or things that are out of his control though, including this car crash of a summer. He also has brought youngsters through. Transfers, tactics, results, yes.

[Butty]

6 minutes ago, Ricky said:

So it looks like Palace are the front runners…. After Nixon announced it was definitely going to be Norwich. Probably shouldn’t be shocked at that tbf.

Nixon is useless I don’t know why certain people still give him the time of day. 

[islander200]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But Mowbray is not in control of his own budget, presumably those extensions fell within his budget. It is down to people above Mowbray to ensure that we dont exceed FFP regulations. The embargo was not his fault nor the change in transfer policy to loaning kids only, something he said today he wasnt aware of at the start of the summer.

Like I said, Mowbray shouldnt be the manager and isnt the man to utilise his resources as efficiently as need someone to.

So you think Waggott and Cheston etc don't speak with the manager?

I find it extremely far fetched that Mowbray wasnt aware of the financial situation before the summer?

At the end of the day contract negotiations with players should have been happening a year to 18 months ago.

Mowbray has also been in the media previously saying that new contracts were on the table for Nyambe and Armstrong.

Our owners are absent and don't take much interest but if someone like wilder and a competent CEO had been in place we would not be in the situation we are in now.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I'm sure Mowbray was in the media before the last season even finished that the budget had been agreed

The only thing I'd say about that is that the owners might have changed tack in an attempt to force TM out.

Why they didn't just stick to plan A and pay him off at the end of the season god only knows. Have to say that out of all the hundreds of millions wasted to date a few more spent ridding the Club of the poisonous trio would be the best they've ever spent here.

[Oldgregg86]

3 hours ago, booth said:

Why? We wouldn't see much of that £15m if any, and Idah is another young player with potential who hasn't scored many goals professionally and under Mowbray probably won't feature for another two years anyway when he'll be slowly introduced to the wing.

Because I don’t believe Mowbray could sign a better striker than idah if he was given the full amount of the armstrong sale to spend. It’s another body in, a quality one, young , fast, strong what we need. He could easily be worth what arma is and more whilst helping us avoid relegation and becoming another valuable asset. It’s that or the funds get hoovered and where hoping Gallagher and brereton hit 30 goals between them. I can’t see that. Can you ?

[roverandout]

31 minutes ago, Boroblue said:

I understand what Jim’s saying.

watford no trophies win

crystal Palace no trophies won

norwich 2 league cups

southamPaton 1 trophy

blackburn 3 champions of england

6 Fa cups

1 league cup

22 fa cup semi finals

i can see how you get that we are the same. I already look up to the above 4 joint total of three trophies.

 

22 semi finals?

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

So you think Waggott and Cheston etc don't speak with the manager?

I find it extremely far fetched that Mowbray wasnt aware of the financial situation before the summer?

At the end of the day contract negotiations with players should have been happening a year to 18 months ago.

Mowbray has also been in the media previously saying that new contracts were on the table for Nyambe and Armstrong.

Our owners are absent and don't take much interest but if someone like wilder and a competent CEO had been in place we would not be in the situation we are in now.

Exactly.

How it should work:

TM "I want to sign player X. Can we do it?"

SW " Yes but you'll have to trim the squad down or we'll run into FFP difficulties"

How it actually works:

TM:  "Nah. Don't fancy that. I'm signing player X. And I'm going to give the squad players new and improved deals. And I'm going to bring four or five in on loan as well."

SW: "No problem. The owners will probably write the cheque."

[jim mk2]

Barcelona have confirmed Messi will leave this summer.

Do you think they'd take Armstrong in PX? 

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

I think in terms of the fans view of them - if they wrote the cash off and injected the maximum they can, created some sort of “loop hole” sponsor to avoid FFP (see Etihad) and then immediately gave a top proven CEO carte blanche to do as they see fit… maybe that would entice more people in, regardless of the previous results / performances?

1. Debt write off - it means nothing, even IF they did it, my take on them wouldn’t remotely be changed by it, it’s merely moving an IOU from one in tray to another, purely cosmetic - don’t focus on it, it’s irrelevant in the scheme of things

2. Loophole sponsor - City Football Group is a sophisticated multi national organisation, employing multiple experts in their fields, financial, legal and football -  capable of moving assets and income streams around the globe to optimise tax positions, profit declarations and circumvent the worst strictures of FFP…we have Steve Waggott…‘nuff said 🤦‍♂️

[Polky]

I guess it could be worse, Preston have just announced a striker they’ve signed from Bamber Bridge 🤣

[jim mk2]

3 minutes ago, BRFC_Polky said:

I guess it could be worse, Preston have just announced a striker they’ve signed from Bamber Bridge 🤣

Could be a good move. All the Lancashire clubs missed Paul Mariner at Chorley. Signed for Plymouth and went on to play for England

[Bigdoggsteel]

39 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He doesn't deserve the flak for things that arent his fault or things that are out of his control though, including this car crash of a summer. He also has brought youngsters through. Transfers, tactics, results, yes.

He has, but he should have brought more through at the end of last season. His 2 big money signings haven't worked out. He didn't paly Brereton properly for a year and a half. Illogical stuff. He refused to accept any blame at the end of last season. You can criticize them and him. You seem to be manufacturing this being a one sided attack on Mowbray, with Venkys being ignored. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

10 minutes ago, BRFC_Polky said:

I guess it could be worse, Preston have just announced a striker they’ve signed from Bamber Bridge 🤣

That's not worse than no signings and being in a position where we are about to lose our top scorer 

[simongarnerisgod]

39 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Barcelona have confirmed Messi will leave this summer.

Do you think they'd take Armstrong in PX? 

don`t think he`d get on with tony,he can dribble and always passes it forwards,don`t need any of those flashy attributes in mowbrays dressing room🙂

[rebelzero]

7 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

don`t think he`d get on with tony,he can dribble and always passes it forwards,don`t need any of those flashy attributes in mowbrays dressing room🙂

you mean he wouldn't be Pickering's backup at Left back?

[Gav]

Balaji Roe seen arriving at Barcelona airport 30 minutes ago, medallion, man boobs and Centenary Attaché case.

Watch this space.

[simongarnerisgod]

8 minutes ago, rebelzero said:

you mean he wouldn't be Pickering's backup at Left back?

aye,something like that,he would also insist on practising set pieces as well which would`nt  please tony,a definate bad influence

[lraC]

6 hours ago, RoverKyle said:

Why, what was the situation around that? I loved him at Rovers. 

Some middle man in Manchester copped for a few quid allegedly as part of the deal. Givet allegedly was the one, who ended up out of pocket.

[lraC]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387968/amp/Gael-Givet-forced-pay-50k-tailor-helped-transfer-Blackburn-Rovers.html