Summer transfer window 2021.

[Bigdoggsteel]

59 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I did the last night and we have 21 players JH

GK- Kaminski, Pears, Stergiakis

Def- Nyambe, Lenihan, Ayala, Wharton, Carter, Pickering

Mid- JRC, Rothwell, Buckley, Davenport, Johnson, Travis, Chapman, Dack

Str- Armstrong, Brereton, Gallagher, Butterworth

That's 21 players just there. 

Then we have Pike who will be back right right back, Dolan for the wing and McBride for up front. 

JRC will be 22 years old on 26th July and Buckley and Carter will both be 22 years old before the 31 December 2021 deadline

Very worrying imo. 

Kaminski is good.

Defence- We need cover for both full back roles and hope that Wharton and Ayala stay fit. 

Midfield- So worrying. So weak and feeble in this position. We will get destroyed. I hope they have some ideas about strengthening that area up. Mostly its inconsistent players, players who have never done it and injury concerns. 

Attack- Hard to see where the goals come from when AA leaves. Brereton and Gallagher need to have the season of their careers to even get anywhere near 28 goals together. 

Add Mowbray into this and its very worrying times 

[RoverKyle]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Very worrying imo. 

Kaminski is good.

Defence- We need cover for both full back roles and hope that Wharton and Ayala stay fit. 

Midfield- So worrying. So weak and feeble in this position. We will get destroyed. I hope they have some ideas about strengthening that area up. Mostly its inconsistent players, players who have never done it and injury concerns. 

Attack- Hard to see where the goals come from when AA leaves. Brereton and Gallagher need to have the season of their careers to even get anywhere near 28 goals together. 

Add Mowbray into this and its very worrying times 

For me the work needs to start at the back. If we concede less, we won't need to directly replace 28 goals if/when Armstrong leaves. As you say injury concerns right across the squad. Galling to be continuously told that we're building something, yet one glance at the squad now and you could comfortably say its the most depleted of numbers and quality we've had since Mowbray joined. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Yes we do need to keep going over it like a broken record. And I will keep on going on about it until I give up with the Club or he clears off. I wish I didn't have to and wish I could look forward with optimism under a trustworthy group of people but after the shenanigans and failure of the last 12 months that can't happen.

Just because the idiots who run this Club want to look after their mate and take the cheap and easy route in life doesn't mean supporters, particularly those who are being asked to cough up their hard earned cash every year, should accept it.

Mowbray runs the Club and has his tentacles into the boardroom, owners, coaching and recruitment. That is unacceptable and it influences or controls every facet of the Club.

It seems that people are split in their attitude on Mowbray at this moment in time. Half want to bury their head in the sands, call a fresh start from the start of the season and put people down for "not getting behind the team, COYB!" I sort of get it and maybe wish that I had such willingness to do the same, but it makes no logical and rational sense. Talking about signings being made, none of which have and with no urgency to do so may I add, we are reliant on the recruitment of a manager who has a poor record in the market. Tactics and formations, again we rely on Mowbray-ball and his wide striker and false 9 rubbish. So it is impossible to rationally look ahead to the season without considering the manager.

I am not one to go into calling him corrupt etc, I just think that he is incompetent and well out of his depth. I have no evidence that he was being cunning behind the scenes and indeed even surrounding himself with people he knows is very common, the worry is that it only strengthens his position and shows how trusted he is, not that he is doing it deceitfully. But I cannot fathom how people can just start afresh because a manager is critical to the success or failure of a football club.

And to clarify, I am definitely aware that the problems are and have always been the cunts over in India, but Mowbray is a huge, horrid symptom of that as a failing manager taking us backwards.

43 minutes ago, JoeH said:

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/19447718.saints-reportedly-return-second-adam-armstrong-bid/?ref=rss

Seems like a re-hash of the Daily Mail article, which in itself seemed to be based on the Sun at the weekend. Either way, we need to get our arse in gear at getting players in.

[Bigdoggsteel]

28 minutes ago, RoverKyle said:

For me the work needs to start at the back. If we concede less, we won't need to directly replace 28 goals if/when Armstrong leaves. As you say injury concerns right across the squad. Galling to be continuously told that we're building something, yet one glance at the squad now and you could comfortably say its the most depleted of numbers and quality we've had since Mowbray joined. 

Nothing to suggest we will concede less under Mowbray. He admits it's not his way and we know has struggled organise things since being here. 

[SuperBrfc]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

any idea which players have been include in the deal?

No names have been mentioned yet. At a guess, I think it's more likely to be Tchaptchet and Will Smallbone. Two youngsters. I would prefer Valery and Obafemi but I'm not sure how realistic that is right now.

[Blue blood]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Very worrying imo. 

Kaminski is good.

Defence- We need cover for both full back roles and hope that Wharton and Ayala get and stay fit. 

Midfield- So worrying. So weak and feeble in this position. We will get destroyed. I hope they have some ideas about strengthening that area up. Mostly its inconsistent players, players who have never done it  injury concerns whilst some specialise in both.

Attack- Hard to see where the goals come from when AA leaves. Brereton and Gallagher need to have the season of their careers to even get anywhere near 20 goals together. 

Add the sheer indifference, incompetence and corruption that is Mowbray into this and its very worrying times 

Great post, excellent summary that I have tweaked slightly - and not to make the situation better either. 

My only consolation is that there's always a team who surprises you who you think will struggle and everything points to that but does better than expected. Hopefully that can be us because on paper we look weak. 

[RoverKyle]

45 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Nothing to suggest we will concede less under Mowbray. He admits it's not his way and we know has struggled organise things since being here. 

Oh I fully agree it won't happen under Mowbray. He's had so long to sort it out. It's just what we should be doing. 

For what it's worth, I liked what I saw of Ayala when he played. He just never plays. We're on for a hiding if we're relying on him being fit and one our main centre backs.

Edited July 16, 2021 by RoverKyle

[Guest]

Wouldn't be surprised to see rumours linking us with Stefan Johansen and Patrick Roberts over the coming weeks. One is someone we've been supposedly interested in for a while and a former John Park signing, and the other fits the left-footed right winger role and was also signed by John Park in the past. Both are seemingly fairly available and the links are easy to make.

I'd be happy with both.

[roversfan99]

I would be very surprised if Johansen doesn't go back to QPR. Spent last season there, they are strongly linked again and are looking in much better shape than us.

It is also hard to get excited about players fitted to the exact same flawed way of playing that Mowbray adopts, we need a re-think. Roberts is a weird one, he definitely has ability but he repeatedly wastes loan spells aside from some success at Celtic. Poor at Norwich, Boro and Derby.

[Iceman]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Nothing to suggest we will concede less under Mowbray. He admits it's not his way and we know has struggled organise things since being here. 

He needs to make it his way now. This fancy la di daa type football, wont take us into the playoffs. Play ugly football, and get the job done.. Fans can moan all they want about it, but sign players that will start to put their boots in, get up and put their boots in again. 

[JohnGo]

13 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Hi Joe,

I think I must be going mad. I responded to your message about increased bid by Southampton. It’s not on the thread. Can the mods remove them as this has never happened before. There was nothing offensive is the reply so I’m at a loss.

[Bigdoggsteel]

50 minutes ago, RoverKyle said:

Oh I fully agree it won't happen under Mowbray. He's had so long to sort it out. It's just what we should be doing. 

For what it's worth, I liked what I saw of Ayala when he played. He just never plays. We're on for a hiding if we're relying on him being fit and one our main centre backs.

Ayala looks very decent, but if he doesn't play 25 games ,at least , it's just disruptive 

[Bigdoggsteel]

13 minutes ago, Iceman said:

He needs to make it his way now. This fancy la di daa type football, wont take us into the playoffs. Play ugly football, and get the job done.. Fans can moan all they want about it, but sign players that will start to put their boots in, get up and put their boots in again. 

He should do that, but will he? He thinks he's Guardiola, but a version that winning doesn't matter to. 

[Russ]

14 minutes ago, Iceman said:

He needs to make it his way now. This fancy la di daa type football, wont take us into the playoffs. Play ugly football, and get the job done.. Fans can moan all they want about it, but sign players that will start to put their boots in, get up and put their boots in again. 

I think we need somewhere in between the two extreme approaches now.

We used to be more direct quickly playing up to Graham bypassing midfield, we've also done the overplaying, passing for the sake of passing football that is so slow is boring to watch.

We can't keep starting games half asleep like we did during the second half of the season, we need to come flying out of the blocks and attack with every player challenged to win their first few tackles and headers like their lives depend on it.

If we take the lead by a goal or two then by all means play possession football and starve the opposition of the ball, but we shouldn't be playing for 0-0 up to 70 mins before having a go like the second half of the season appeared to be.

Many seem to have forgotten how much success we had in the first half of the season when we broke forward with pace and numbers, a lot of teams were terrified of us.

We need to get the balance right and know when to attack and when to hold.

Seems simple to me, but that's probably why I'm not a manager 🤷‍♂️

[Bigdoggsteel]

So let's go simple so in an ideal world. Where would this team finish? Playing a direct style , not long ball, but passing forward, quickly. Better than 15th I wager 

                  Kaminski 

Nyambe Lenihan Ayala Pickering 

Chapman Travis Rothwell Brereton 

          Armstrong Gallagher 

Obviously there are stil issues around squad depth. Huge issues,but as every summer, transfers are coming....eventually 

[dallydally]

4 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

So let's go simple so in an ideal world. Where would this team finish? Playing a direct style , not long ball, but passing forward, quickly. Better than 15th I wager 

                  Kaminski 

Nyambe Lenihan Ayala Pickering 

Chapman Travis Rothwell Brereton 

          Armstrong Gallagher 

Obviously there are stil issues around squad depth. Huge issues,but as every summer, transfers are coming....eventually 

Not sure why you include Ayala, Chapman and Armstrong. Ayala is the new Vince Grella, Chapman has a lot to prove - and Mowbray doesn't like his attitude - and why will Armstrong be here at the beginning of the season with a move to the Premiership almost a certainty?

[dallydally]

Just now, dallydally said:

Not sure why you include Ayala, Chapman and Armstrong. Ayala is the new Vince Grella, Chapman has a lot to prove - and Mowbray doesn't like his attitude - and why will Armstrong be here at the beginning of the season with a move to the Premiership almost a certainty?

We'll do well to stay in the Championship

[Bigdoggsteel]

7 minutes ago, dallydally said:

Not sure why you include Ayala, Chapman and Armstrong. Ayala is the new Vince Grella, Chapman has a lot to prove - and Mowbray doesn't like his attitude - and why will Armstrong be here at the beginning of the season with a move to the Premiership almost a certainty?

Why, who would you include? 

[neophox]

Johansen is an big upgrade on Trybull. I also hope Dolan will be a tougher player as he develops. 

[neophox]

Essential. RANKIN Costello, Dolan, Chapman and Buckley all shine this season. 

[RoverKyle]

2 minutes ago, neophox said:

Essential. RANKIN Costello, Dolan, Chapman and Buckley all shine this season. 

Big ask but it would go some way to covering up our lack of depth.

[Sparks Rover]

Pilkington to Fleetwood...interesting signing for them.

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It is also hard to get excited about players fitted to the exact same flawed way of playing that Mowbray adopts, we need a re-think. Roberts is a weird one, he definitely has ability but he repeatedly wastes loan spells aside from some success at Celtic. Poor at Norwich, Boro and Derby.

Why is it you can find ways to be jealous of other teams' signings in the name of us not being active in the market, but find ways of being pessimistic of potential signings for us that are just as able? It feels like such a an agenda sometimes to just be negative mate

[Bigdoggsteel]

44 minutes ago, Russ said:

I think we need somewhere in between the two extreme approaches now.

We used to be more direct quickly playing up to Graham bypassing midfield, we've also done the overplaying, passing for the sake of passing football that is so slow is boring to watch.

We can't keep starting games half asleep like we did during the second half of the season, we need to come flying out of the blocks and attack with every player challenged to win their first few tackles and headers like their lives depend on it.

If we take the lead by a goal or two then by all means play possession football and starve the opposition of the ball, but we shouldn't be playing for 0-0 up to 70 mins before having a go like the second half of the season appeared to be.

Many seem to have forgotten how much success we had in the first half of the season when we broke forward with pace and numbers, a lot of teams were terrified of us.

We need to get the balance right and know when to attack and when to hold.

Seems simple to me, but that's probably why I'm not a manager 🤷‍♂️

Good post. I suppose the caveat is other ,better managers , got wise to our approach and our manager couldn't fix that. He's a stubborn old mule 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, JoeH said:

Why is it you can find ways to be jealous of other teams' signings in the name of us not being active in the market, but find ways of being pessimistic of potential signings for us that are just as able? It feels like such a an agenda sometimes to just be negative mate

I never once said that I was jealous of other teams signings, you have for the second time misinterpreted what my point was. That again, partly down to a self inflicted embargo, we are working so slowly on signing new players, we are in a small minority of teams yet to anyone. And that wasn't/isn't a tactical ploy whilst waiting for players, it was due to the aforementioned unnecessary embargo preventing us.

In regards to a supposed "agenda" about being negative, again, what is there to be optimistic about? Disinterested owners, incompetent manager, transfer embargo for some of the summer, no signings 3 weeks prior to the season, the loss of key players in potentially Armstrong as well as Elliott and Harwood-Bellis, is it really an agenda to be feeling a little less than positive?

Patrick Roberts hasnt even been linked to us, so being unsure on him coming in (as a replacement for Elliott so a downgrade) is not even me being pessimistic about Rovers. He has had a few really ineffective loans, he is talented but not much at the end of it.