Summer transfer window 2021.

[1864roverite]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

and what does that matter? 

Spurs owe nearly 1 billion pounds due to the stadium cost I believe and spending 40 million pounds on a defender and 60 million on a striker. 

Man Utd have debt but still paying 73 million on Sancho

Spurs get 60000 fans a home game are a top 6 team and have commercial experts when it comes to earning dosh. Rovers have maggot the waggot😅

[Sparks Rover]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If he broke his leg in October and then was willing to sign a 3 or 4 year deal, you would say no? Surely cutting off our nose to spite our faces?

@Bigdoggsteel is convinced someone is going to break a leg..  .Darling.  🙄

His agent will surely have said to him, what's the point in taking 10% of a 8m transfer fee after Newcastle cut, stick around score goals again and in January trouser a couple of million and a 5 year deal on 40k per week. That's what I would be considering.  Fuck the broken leg, I'd gamble it won't happen .....

Edited August 8, 2021 by Sparks Rover

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Talk about covering all bases 😂 making it up as he goes along. Norwich have just signed or are signing Sargent from Werder Bremen.

Like I said if Norwich want to sell Hugill and loan Idah then they would need another striker. 

Will Sargent meet our work permit rules? 

We know we have PL clubs chasing him and no offer has been acceptable yet plus where does Armstrong want to go to?

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Leighton Clarkson not on a bench for Liverpools last friendly that contains 10 players most of whom are kids. Linked here yesterday.

Good spot there

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, 1864roverite said:

Spurs get 60000 fans a home game are a top 6 team and have commercial experts when it comes to earning dosh. Rovers have maggot the waggot😅

still in billion pounds worth of debt tho

[Bigdoggsteel]

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If he broke his leg in October and then was willing to sign a 3 or 4 year deal, you would say no? Surely cutting off our nose to spite our faces?

Lot of hypotheticals there. You don't know if he would even sign. Plus he might not be the same player ever again. Not an ideal situation to be in. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

9 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

@Bigdoggsteel is convinced someone is going to break a leg..  .Darling.  🙄

His agent will surely have said to him, what's the point in taking 10% of a 8m transfer fee after Newcastle cut, stick around score goals again and in January trouser a couple of million and a 5 year deal on 40k per week. That's what I would be considering.  Fuck the broken leg, I'd gamble it won't happen .....

I know you think he's crap, but not many would have said Dack will do his ACL TWICE. 

If his agent is advising him to go that route, he's an absolute moron. I would presume he's not. In fact I'm 100% he isn't. 

It certainly wouldn't be in the clubs interest to take that gamble. 

[Sparks Rover]

2 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Lot of hypotheticals there. You don't know if he would even sign. Plus he might not be the same player ever again. Not an ideal situation to be in. 

The major hypothetical is the broken leg, which you brought up 🤷‍♂️

[Sparks Rover]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I know you think he's crap, but not many would have said Dack will do his ACL TWICE. 

If his agent is advising him to go that route, he's an absolute moron. I would presume he's not. In fact I'm 100% he isn't. 

It certainly wouldn't be in the clubs interest to take that gamble. 

I get your point but you can't run your career on that basis. I don't think he's crap, just not as good as he's made out to be.

I'm sure he's going but I wouldn't be upset if he stayed...

Edited August 8, 2021 by Sparks Rover

[roverandout]

31 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

why not? Armstrong fits Southampton way of playing and formation. Plus Armstrong has scored 46 goals over the last 2 season. So hardly a one hit wonder. 

Maybe look at Wilder and why didn't he get the best out of McBurnie last season. 

Hes a one hit wonder in terms of producing a goal tally worthy of an epl club taking a risk on him.  If he hits another 25 or 30 goals this season its a different story

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

The major hypothetical is the broken leg, which you brought up 🤷‍♂️

Which doesn't alter the fact it could happen. 

If he stays and does any kind of serious injury, he might never make it to the PL and I'm sure him and his agent know that. Everybody wants a deal to be done, but I think the club is right to have a price that they want met. What's in our favour is the amount of clubs interested....

[Bigdoggsteel]

9 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I get your point but you can't run your career on that basis. I don't think he's crap, just not as good as he's made out to be.

I'm sure he's going but I wouldn't be upset if he stayed...

Ya have to. As I said above, he might never make it to the PL if he doesn't go now. You have to take that chance as a player. Staying here is the gamble for him. 

I don't want him to stay under any circumstances. It's in neither parties favour. 

Edit- apart from him signing a new deal right now! 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[jim mk2]

55 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

and what does that matter? 

Spurs owe nearly 1 billion pounds due to the stadium cost I believe and spending 40 million pounds on a defender and 60 million on a striker. 

Man Utd have debt but still paying 73 million on Sancho

....... because ManU are a quoted plc with access to public market funding and both United and Spurs have multi-multi-billionaire owners who ultimately will keep the clubs afloat because they are backed by rich assets like the players, the stadiums and the commercial interests

Brighton, like Rovers, are a smaller/medium sized club with wealthy owners but limited spending power

Debt ultimately for those sort of clubs is unsustainable

That's why it matters

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by jim mk2

[1864roverite]

30 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

still in billion pounds worth of debt tho

Match day ticket income for Spurs for premier games is worth a minimum of £39 million per season and doesn’t include any corporate income, match day income, shirts, sponsorship and tv money. Whatever debt they have is completely serviceable with ease and worth noting they have professional set ups across all aspects of football with a seriously good CEO at the helm in Levy.

I will repeat we have Maggot the Waggot! We have no leadership at the helm, no football commercialism gurus we have Maggot!

Its nonsense to even mention the likes of any PL clubs debt to Rovers Chaddy.

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by 1864roverite

[Exiled_Rover]

37 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Leighton Clarkson not on a bench for Liverpools last friendly that contains 10 players most of whom are kids. Linked here yesterday.

I'm fine with that as long as he's happy being 5th choice and used in a midfield rotation.

I'd much rather play Buckley, Rothwell and Travis with Davenport off the bench. We need depth there, not starters.

[alex l]

42 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

All world class players ,who even if they got injured, would get top clubs, with big signing on fees. It's not in Armstrong or the clubs interest for him to go into the last year of his contact here 

I agree it's not in our interests. Few players continue to perform well in their final year, particularly if they wanted to go. Gamst and Tugay come to mind of players who continued to put their heart into Rovers whilst in their final year, but few and far between. 

[Sparks Rover]

12 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya have to. As I said above, he might never make it to the PL if he doesn't go now. You have to take that chance as a player. Staying here is the gamble for him. 

I don't agree with this point. He's young...making the wrong move now for the sake of it is just as bad a career move..   Nobody seems to really want him or they'd have sorted it by now.  He will be considering staying to run his deal down

 

[Ulrich]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Why would he sign that if he hasn't signed already? He doesn't want to be here. The only reason a deal here would look good to him is if he got injured. What if he's not the same player mentally and physically after an injury that has him out for a year? 

We would have needlessly smashed our wage stucture for a player that doesn't want to be here

It would he great if no one reaches the valuation and he just decides to do the right thing by the club and sign a 3 year deal, but in these situations players typically sulk and down tools.

Don't be so negative 😅😅😅

We did the same with Dack, he's hardly on mega money 💰💰💰

[jim mk2]

1 minute ago, Sparks Rover said:

I don't agree with this point. He's young...making the wrong move now for the sake of it is just as bad a career move..   Nobody seems to really want him or they'd have sorted it by now.  He will be considering staying to run his deal down

 

I very much doubt he wants to stay

It's every lower league player's dream to play in the Premier League and a couple of PL clubs want him.... the question is only the price

Why should he run his deal down when next summer no PL club might want him? 

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, roverandout said:

Nobody will risk 15 million never mind 20 million on an unproven 1 hit wonder (so far) when they look at how out of his depth mcburney was last season when Sheffield utd splashed out 20 million 

This is why I can't understand our stubbornness over the fee.

The player's head has been turned. We have no leverage as a club as he's in the last year of his deal. We'll never get such a good offer for such a limited player (there's absolutely no way he's a PL player - and you can quote me on that every time he scores fro his new club).

If £12m is the best deal on the table, take it and move on - it's the best for all parties involved. Loan in a striker to replace him. 

[JacknOry]

The longer it drags on, the fewer cards we hold. Other clubs know this.

TM is a stubborn old goat though, and wants the numbers to show how much of a guru he is and how he made the club so much profit out of the deal. He will see 6 mil net as not good enough to gloat about.  

Keep holding out and you wont get a net.

[Sparks Rover]

9 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

I very much doubt he wants to stay

It's every lower league player's dream to play in the Premier League and a couple of PL clubs want him.... the question is only the price

Why should he run his deal down when next summer no PL club might want him? 

I'm sure he's going but from his point of view it's not a disaster if he stays for an extra few months.

[Bigdoggsteel]

19 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I don't agree with this point. He's young...making the wrong move now for the sake of it is just as bad a career move..   Nobody seems to really want him or they'd have sorted it by now.  He will be considering staying to run his deal down

 

He is absolutely not considering that as a good option. His stock is high now. He will be given opportunities in the PL with whatever team he moves to. If he stays and gets injured ,we have discussed, if he stays and plays poorly, he might not even get a PL club. They have many options and he would be yesterday's man. He's not a proven player at this stage. This is his opportunity to go to the PL, it might be his only one. 

I agree that it seems nobody has him as their number 1 target, but for £15 million plus add ons, someone will make it happen. That's a good deal for them. It's not for us, but that's cos his contract has run down. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[Bigdoggsteel]

15 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

Don't be so negative 😅😅😅

We did the same with Dack, he's hardly on mega money 💰💰💰

It's realistic 🙂

Wad Dack injured when he signed that? 

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I'm sure he's going but from his point of view it's not a disaster if he stays for an extra few months.

It could be..if he got injured. 

If he just doesn't score or play well, he could be looking at a recently relegated club being his best option, not a PL one. He isn't a proven player. 

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Anyone who thinks Armstrong staying with 1 year left is a good idea, needs to think if they honestly believe he will be giving 100%. Never mind if he gets a bad injury,even niggely ones, is he going to come back and give 100% knowing he's free to sign for whoever in a few months. I mean be realistic