Summer transfer window 2021.

[bluebruce]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballleagueworld.co.uk/issue-that-could-scupper-blackburn-rovers-transfer-agreement-with-manchester-city-revealed/amp/

Sandler

[JacknOry]

Thought there was a thread to discuss the merits of Data? Its been done a billion times in here and gets boring. Take it to the two-page thread.

Edited August 22, 2021 by JacknOry

[bluebruce]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:26, JacknOry said:

Thought there was a thread to discuss the merits of Data? Its been done a billion times in here and gets boring. Take it to the two-page thread.

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They're not even discussing data, they're discussing an actual scouting tool that involves watching clips. Not that having a thread for data means it can never ever be referenced here anyway, any more than a Mowbray thread stops his name cropping up here.

[bluebruce]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballleagueworld.co.uk/newcastles-transfer-stance-on-sheffield-united-blackburn-rovers-and-huddersfield-town-target-revealed/amp/#scso=_43ciYZT6BbODhbIP_qGs4A0110:0

So Newcastle want whoever will pay the most wages for Longstaff. That won't be us. Probably Sheff United if their interest is real.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:34, bluebruce said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballleagueworld.co.uk/newcastles-transfer-stance-on-sheffield-united-blackburn-rovers-and-huddersfield-town-target-revealed/amp/#scso=_43ciYZT6BbODhbIP_qGs4A0110:0

So Newcastle want whoever will pay the most wages for Longstaff. That won't be us. Probably Sheff United if their interest is real.

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Surely how much he will play is a main factor. 

Would he start ahead of Norwood, Berge and Fleck? 

[roversfan99]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:46, chaddyrovers said:

Surely how much he will play is a main factor. 

Would he start ahead of Norwood, Berge and Fleck? 

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Would he start here when we already have a loan who plays the same position, plus Travis, Johnson, Rothwell, Davenport and Buckley, then potentially a new attacking central midfielder.

[Fraserkirky]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:46, chaddyrovers said:

Surely how much he will play is a main factor. 

Would he start ahead of Norwood, Berge and Fleck? 

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Yeah seems short sighted to who will pay the most. Mickey Mouse club management there from Newcastle.

[chaddyrovers]

Has anyone seen much of Luke Jephcott of Plymouth? 

started the season very well and we need a goalscorer to replace AA. Would he been an option for us?

4 goals in 5 games this season. 

[chaddyrovers]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:49, roversfan99 said:

Would he start here when we already have a loan who plays the same position, plus Travis, Johnson, Rothwell, Davenport and Buckley, then potentially a new attacking central midfielder.

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Yes thats a fair point. 

Guess we see who this new signing tomorrow and where he plays if he signs 

[RoverRB]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:51, chaddyrovers said:

Has anyone seen much of Luke Jephcott of Plymouth? 

started the season very well and we need a goalscorer to replace AA. Would he been an option for us?

4 goals in 5 games this season. 

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Looks very good but last time I saw him mentioned with a move I seem to remember plymouth wanting a very big fee for him

[Butty]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:51, chaddyrovers said:

Has anyone seen much of Luke Jephcott of Plymouth? 

started the season very well and we need a goalscorer to replace AA. Would he been an option for us?

4 goals in 5 games this season. 

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No I haven’t but I’d take anyone right now so sign him up! 

[bluebruce]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:46, chaddyrovers said:

Surely how much he will play is a main factor. 

Would he start ahead of Norwood, Berge and Fleck? 

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  On 22/08/2021 at 16:50, Fraserkirky said:

Yeah seems short sighted to who will pay the most. Mickey Mouse club management there from Newcastle.

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Only has a year left on his deal so don't expect they care how much he plays.

[islander200]

  On 22/08/2021 at 17:15, bluebruce said:

 

Only has a year left on his deal so don't expect they care how much he plays.

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They want him to sign a years extension before letting him out according to reports

[Exiled_Rover]

  On 22/08/2021 at 15:56, JoeH said:

You’d have to assume a woman from Warrington would know the difference between Blackpool and Blackburn

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Have you met the average person?

[briansol]

  On 22/08/2021 at 17:00, RoverRB said:

Looks very good but last time I saw him mentioned with a move I seem to remember plymouth wanting a very big fee for him

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Never seen him, but sounds like a Rhodes type of player: "

“Luke doesn’t get in any races with defenders does he, because he knows he just lacks that yard of pace.

“But when the ball gets played into him it sticks and he just pops it off without complicating things and he gets in the box."

Also signed a two-year contract this summer, so won't be cheap.

[4000Holes]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:51, chaddyrovers said:

Has anyone seen much of Luke Jephcott of Plymouth? 

started the season very well and we need a goalscorer to replace AA. Would he been an option for us?

4 goals in 5 games this season. 

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Seen him a couple of times.  Looks relatively quick and makes intelligent runs.  Scored a great goal from just outside the box.  General view, he his young and has a lot to learn.  A little on the small side for a centre forward estimate 5’9” or 5’10” so not a target man. Probably suit Mowbray?  Talking to a mate who is a Plymouth fan, gets his share of bookings.  Went through a Barron patch last season  around 20 without scoring.  Just signed a new contract at Plymouth, so would probably cost us.

Not sure that he is championship level and feel it would be a risk for us.  If we go for him I hope I am wrong.

 

[chaddyrovers]

Thanks for the insight into Jephcott guys. Very much apprenticed @4000Holes @briansol @RoverRB 

[bluebruce]

  On 22/08/2021 at 17:20, islander200 said:

They want him to sign a years extension before letting him out according to reports

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Thought that was Sandler?

[Mike E]

  On 22/08/2021 at 15:13, JoeH said:

It's not like that at all no you're right. I've tried on the data in football thread to upload a screengrab video walking through the process on these platforms but I can never get the file size low enough to upload.

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Get in touch with J*B or Herbie, sounds like an interesting content piece

[Guest]

  On 22/08/2021 at 16:26, JacknOry said:

Thought there was a thread to discuss the merits of Data? Its been done a billion times in here and gets boring. Take it to the two-page thread.

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Someone asked a question about scouting tools in relevance to transfers and signings. I've said it before and I'll say it again, data and data analysis is going to come up naturally from time to time on this thread.

If you have an issue with my posts, or other posters bringing up data in football or asking questions about the tools and programmes in the transfers thread, use the "ignore" function and leave it be?

As @bluebrucehas rightly pointed out, this short (two/three post) conversation (which I'd argue was relevant but hey ho) has taken this topic no further off thread than chats about Mowbray, Waggott, Brockhall, the state of Ewood Park or any other topic have taken the thread over the 382 pages it has.

[Guest]

  On 22/08/2021 at 18:01, Mike E said:

Get in touch with J*B or Herbie, sounds like an interesting content piece

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Since posting I've been looking at a way to get it done. A thread on twitter that I then post in here was option 1, but I can't imagine the parent company would take too well to that kind of insight so public, would probably get away with something in here if I can find a way of uploading it. 

If I manage to make it work, I'll sort something in the Data topic thread.

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 22/08/2021 at 12:56, JoeH said:

It's not highlights. Clips of every mistimed tackle, every missed header, every shot blazed over, every pass wayward, every yellow card given, every penalty conceded, EVERYTHING are available on these platforms. Sure on social media, highlights packages and fun clips of players scoring goals are going to do well and get shared for that reason, but if you spend an hour or two watching clips (positive and negative) on ONE player, you definitely know a bit about them.

It might not be the same as scouting a player in person, but you know what foot they use, what positions they pick up, what they're good at and not good at (in general). 

I get the idea that data and video analysis isn't the same as watching a player week in week out, but surely you can see there's some value in watching clips of a player?

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Not really 

And then after hours of studying the "data" you make some enquiries with his agent and discover his wage demands are out of our League which makes the whole exercise entirely pointless.

Although in Rovers' case we seem to plug doggedly on anyway, putting an "offer" on the table which is never likely to be accepted then act all hard done to when nothing happens all summer then the player eventually moves elsewhere.

[islander200]

  On 22/08/2021 at 17:46, bluebruce said:

Thought that was Sandler?

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Same story with Longstaff 

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-matty-longstaff-loan-21348396

[J*B]

  On 22/08/2021 at 18:06, JoeH said:

Since posting I've been looking at a way to get it done. A thread on twitter that I then post in here was option 1, but I can't imagine the parent company would take too well to that kind of insight so public, would probably get away with something in here if I can find a way of uploading it. 

If I manage to make it work, I'll sort something in the Data topic thread.

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Just send me the file on wetransfer and I’ll compress it. 

[Guest]

  On 22/08/2021 at 18:37, J*B said:

Just send me the file on wetransfer and I’ll compress it. 

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I've managed it, used an online app. Video quality isn't amazing but hopefully the 10min clip I've posted in the data in football topic will help offer some insight into the sheer depth of the thing.