Summer transfer window 2021.

[bboy]

17 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

rovers take on trialist

I suppose with all city signings Phil Foden has dropped down the pecking order so plausible.

[47er]

8 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Rovers cannot train or play any kind of sport at Pleasington any more !

We're doomed then!!

[47er]

5 hours ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Well as long as he keeps us up, I'll take it right now. 

 

That is what passes for ambition at Ewood these days. Realistic but dismal and deadening.

Hardly likely to win over new fans or get old ones back.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Theaxe15 said:

Personally I think Luca Toni is a bit too old now, I think we should be looking at Rhys Healey... 😏

Or Austin Healey!

[Crimpshrine]

6 hours ago, AAK said:

Thing is, the club tried to source another manager, they couldn’t find a suitable one. This happened behind Waggots back and mowbrays back. Now I don’t want either Mowbray or Waggot at the club, but I also feel for them, it shows venkys as they are. These people who stick up for them, they were mislead etc, it’s rubbish, they knew exactly what they were doing and they do now, you don’t go behind the back of your CEO like they have at a normal football club. If they don’t like him, then get rid!!!!  The club is a Farce from top to bottom. 
 

Mowbray is a decent human being, but I think he’s fed up with it all, however if that is the case he should resign.

Poor do if they couldn't find a better manager than Mowbray. They can't have tried very hard.

Who was tasked with finding a new manager ? If it was Suhail then surely there will now be no trust between him and Waggott. As Suhail is they only direct link between the club and Venky's that's going to be difficult.

Does Waggott have a fixed term contract? Will he be leaving at the end of the season with Mowbray ?

[JBiz]

7 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

Poor do if they couldn't find a better manager than Mowbray. They can't have tried very hard.

Who was tasked with finding a new manager ? If it was Suhail then surely there will now be no trust between him and Waggott. As Suhail is they only direct link between the club and Venky's that's going to be difficult.

Does Waggott have a fixed term contract? Will he be leaving at the end of the season with Mowbray ?

Such a frigging joke our ownership scenario.

If we had owners that actually valued money - we’d be pissing all over half this dog shit league. They’re minted FFS and all they do is send us our bills covered.

All cheques, No craft! 

[joey_big_nose]

A lot of dissing of Mowbray going on.... But to be fair to him

1) he's got an absolutely terrible set of owners to work with and no transfer budget

2) He has got some good results at the start of the season

3) The team looks motivated and can't be faulted for effort.

Those who think if we get anyone in they will be better are deluding themselves. Id guess with the current owners and situation we will struggle to find better. Not because Mowbray is great, but because of the abject state we're in.

On top of that when you do get a good manager - like Forest did with Houghton - sometimes it just doesn't work out. A top name is not a guarantee of success. 

Sadly there's a very decent chance a year or two from now we will be looking fondly back at the days of Mowbray.

The issue is not Mowbray, it's the owners. We aren't going anywhere until we get a proper structure in place at the club, and that needs new ownership.

 

[martonrover]

30 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

A lot of dissing of Mowbray going on.... But to be fair to him

1) he's got an absolutely terrible set of owners to work with and no transfer budget

2) He has got some good results at the start of the season

3) The team looks motivated and can't be faulted for effort.

Those who think if we get anyone in they will be better are deluding themselves. Id guess with the current owners and situation we will struggle to find better. Not because Mowbray is great, but because of the abject state we're in.

On top of that when you do get a good manager - like Forest did with Houghton - sometimes it just doesn't work out. A top name is not a guarantee of success. 

Sadly there's a very decent chance a year or two from now we will be looking fondly back at the days of Mowbray.

The issue is not Mowbray, it's the owners. We aren't going anywhere until we get a proper structure in place at the club, and that needs new ownership.

 

Wrong thread really, but  whilst I certainly agree about the structure, I don’t agree about Mowbray.

He has been pretty well backed until this Summer, and I would argue he is partly to blame for the situation we are now in.

He only got the job due to the ignorance of the owners, (didn’t Chesterfield say “No thanks” shortly before we gave him the gig?), and at the vast majority of clubs he would’ve been long gone.

Mowbray has done very well out of Venkys and Rovers.

It’s because of the structure , (ie lack of a competent CEO), he’s here, and for the same reason he’s been allowed to long outstay his welcome.

Some of his comments towards the end of last season were beyond ridiculous, but still he survived.

But I agree that things will never change under these owners.

 

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

18 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

A lot of dissing of Mowbray going on.... But to be fair to him

1) he's got an absolutely terrible set of owners to work with and no transfer budget

2) He has got some good results at the start of the season

3) The team looks motivated and can't be faulted for effort.

Those who think if we get anyone in they will be better are deluding themselves. Id guess with the current owners and situation we will struggle to find better. Not because Mowbray is great, but because of the abject state we're in.

On top of that when you do get a good manager - like Forest did with Houghton - sometimes it just doesn't work out. A top name is not a guarantee of success. 

Sadly there's a very decent chance a year or two from now we will be looking fondly back at the days of Mowbray.

The issue is not Mowbray, it's the owners. We aren't going anywhere until we get a proper structure in place at the club, and that needs new ownership.

 

Sorry,  the above is absolute rubbish imo, we're only 4 games in!!!

1) The financial hole we are in is entirely down to Mowbray's mismanagement of the Club's resources.

2) Him and Waggott are also responsible for not safeguarding the Club's position as regards our better players because Mowbray by his own admission had some (imo misguided) notion he didn't want to upset the rest of the squad. As a result apart from having to let Armstrong go for less than his true worth we face the prospect of another £30m or so worth of talent walking out of the door for nothing.

3) The last 3 years on the pitch have been imo some of the worst I've seen in 50 years of watching the Club bearing in mind the very generous financial backing he's had.

4) He brought an atrocious CEO into the Club to watch his back in Waggott then the pair underhandedly tried to flog off part of the Club's infrastructure on false premises that Cat 1 Academy Status could be maintained. Then they were forced into an embarrassing climb down.

5) He's brought another pal into the Club as Head of Recruitment who seems incapable of unearthing a suitable permanent transfer target we can get over the line.

"There's a chance we'll be looking back fondly at the days of Mowbray!" 

Sheesh, give me a break! It will be a day for extremely joyous celebration when the toxic trio of him Waggott and Venus finally leave the Club.

[RevidgeBlue]

23 minutes ago, martonrover said:

But I agree that things will never change under these owners.

Whilst I think this season will be a case of merely trying to ensure survival I believe there are actually genuine grounds for optimism that things will change for the better after that.

Hopefully the reasons for thinking this way will become apparent as events unfold in due course.

"The times they are a changing."

Edited August 25, 2021 by RevidgeBlue

[RevidgeBlue]

8 hours ago, AAK said:

Thing is, the club tried to source another manager, they couldn’t find a suitable one. This happened behind Waggots back and mowbrays back. Now I don’t want either Mowbray or Waggot at the club, but I also feel for them, it shows venkys as they are. These people who stick up for them, they were mislead etc, it’s rubbish, they knew exactly what they were doing and they do now, you don’t go behind the back of your CEO like they have at a normal football club. If they don’t like him, then get rid!!!!  The club is a Farce from top to bottom. 
 

Mowbray is a decent human being, but I think he’s fed up with it all, however if that is the case he should resign.

Personally I would have sacked Mowbray first and asked questions later in the second half of last season (Well in the early part of 2019 to be precise) but I can't see a great deal wrong with sounding out other managers whilst he is still in situ and I certainly have no sympathy whatsoever for him if that happened. The reason for it is his fault - he was failing at the job.

Williams did exactly the same with Allardyce, when Ince was here. Ince knew he was a dead man walking a week or two before he actually got the sack.

No-one complained about that, the difference here is that the move for the managerial target seemingly fell through this time for whatever reason.

[Angry_Pirate]

Couldn't give a damn about the results Mowbray gets us this season, unless we get promoted.

As it stands he looks set to oversee millions of pounds worth of players in Lenihan, Nyambe, Rothwell and Brereton leaving on free transfers in Summer 2022. Travis, Gallagher and Kaminski 12 months later..

Make no mistake about it, that man -and the Coventrio - are going to fuck us hard on their way out and avoid ALL of the fallout.

[Mattyblue]

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Whilst I think this season will be a case of merely trying to ensure survival I believe there are actually genuine grounds for optimism that things will change for the better after that.

Hopefully the reasons for thinking this way will become apparent as events unfold in due course.

"The times they are a changing."

Please enlighten me Rev to how these ‘custodians’ are suddenly going to change course, as after a decade plus of this ownership the club is in absolute dire straits from where I’m standing.

[Gav]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Please enlighten me Rev to how these ‘custodians’ are suddenly going to change course, as after a decade plus of this ownership the club is in absolute dire straits from where I’m standing.

They have changed course Matty, they've gone back to not signing players to contracts like they did so well earlier in the tenure.

Mowbray has brought in around £15m in player sales in the last 18months, but its not enough to get anyone decent through the door or sign current players to contracts, why? The debt stands at £150+ Mowbray isn't responsible for that as Revidge would have us believe, nor is he responsible for selling the training ground, the owners have to sanction that, end of story.

Maybe we can look forward to another Henning Berg (lasted 57 days and ended up in High Court - £2.5m payout) or maybe a Michael Appleton (67 days). Suspensions in the boardroom, Shaw and Agnew, Singh the Tv pundit giving team talks and buying player from Portugal, Ronaldinho playing number 10 even? Sadly no chance of Diego taking over.......

No, they've been badly advised, they'll come good......The futures bright, the futures Venky Blue and White 🤬

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Gav

[joey_big_nose]

6 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Sorry,  the above is absolute rubbish imo, we're only 4 games in!!!

1) The financial hole we are in is entirely down to Mowbray's mismanagement of the Club's resources.

2) Him and Waggott are also responsible for not safeguarding the Club's position as regards our better players because Mowbray by his own admission had some (imo misguided) notion he didn't want to upset the rest of the squad. As a result apart from having to let Armstrong go for less than his true worth we face the prospect of another £30m or so worth of talent walking out of the door for nothing.

3) The last 3 years on the pitch have been imo some of the worst I've seen in 50 years of watching the Club bearing in mind the very generous financial backing he's had.

4) He brought an atrocious CEO into the Club to watch his back in Waggott then the pair underhandedly tried to flog off part of the Club's infrastructure on false premises that Cat 1 Academy Status could be maintained. Then they were forced into an embarrassing climb down.

5) He's brought another pal into the Club as Head of Recruitment who seems incapable of unearthing a suitable permanent transfer target we can get over the line.

"There's a chance we'll be looking back fondly at the days of Mowbray!" 

Sheesh, give me a break! It will be a day for extremely joyous celebration when the toxic trio of him Waggott and Venus finally leave the Club.

Lets have a look back at this two years from now....

I'm no great supporter of Mowbray but it can (and likely is) going to get a lot worse.

[tomphil]

7 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

A lot of dissing of Mowbray going on.... But to be fair to him

1) he's got an absolutely terrible set of owners to work with and no transfer budget

2) He has got some good results at the start of the season

3) The team looks motivated and can't be faulted for effort.

Those who think if we get anyone in they will be better are deluding themselves. Id guess with the current owners and situation we will struggle to find better. Not because Mowbray is great, but because of the abject state we're in.

On top of that when you do get a good manager - like Forest did with Houghton - sometimes it just doesn't work out. A top name is not a guarantee of success. 

Sadly there's a very decent chance a year or two from now we will be looking fondly back at the days of Mowbray.

The issue is not Mowbray, it's the owners. We aren't going anywhere until we get a proper structure in place at the club, and that needs new ownership.

 

He must have the best job in the championship comparable to similar clubs. Whilst i agree the stick goes OTT at times so does people trying to give sob stories on his behalf.

He's part of the issue he's running the team/squad and has had and retains within reason what appears to be 100% backing from the ownership. For all we know what is going on this season and summer is his plans.

So yes whilst he certainly isn't the worst manager around he's also a very fortunate one to have owners like these. The man has surrounded himself with pals inside the club, hes carried players he personally likes on good contracts for years when they are contributing very little.

He's never ever had the rug pulled from under him despite the club needing extra income. He's also had a top Cat academy producing players to pick from others in a similar position don't have.

If he's suffering budget cuts now he's not alone due to the covid situ but part of it is also his own making.

So if we are being fair lets have the full picture not just keep trying to say bad ownership. It's the same ownership hes been happy to work under for going on 5 years or whatever.

[Boroblue]

11 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Lets have a look back at this two years from now....

I'm no great supporter of Mowbray but it can (and likely is) going to get a lot worse.

So the captain of our ship has been at the helm for five years.  The ship is in collision course with the rocks but you can’t blame the captain. It’s not his fault he put together the wrong crew, set the wrong course and didn’t correct his course when the compass told him he was heading in the wrong direction.

No it’s the absentee owners fault who have trusted him and his fellow officers to get the job done with substantial funds.

Whats the answer don’t replace him because things could get worse. I will never look back with any fondness on the Mowbray years. He’s an out of touch, self preserving old dinosaur. Even the Forest fans recognised this eleven he tried to defend Hughton. 
PS Let’s see if he’s given a 2 wins in 17 run before he’s potted. We all know he won’t be because only at rovers is failure and mediocrity tolerated and only our fans would try and defend it as though it could be worse if we remove him

[Paul Mellelieu]

Can't wait for Rev's big reveal.

[Gav]

13 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Can't wait for Rev's big reveal.

I think he'll reveal that he was on the Aldi Champagne last night, that is the only reason I can think of for posting that utter garbage above.

[JohnGo]

13 hours ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

is the Luca Toni deal happening or not? 

This is from someone inside the club. Luca will not be joining in this window as his demands would break our pay structure. TM and the European scouts (what’s left) are monitoring his situation with the possibility of a January bid. 

[JBiz]

7 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Sorry,  the above is absolute rubbish imo, we're only 4 games in!!!

1) The financial hole we are in is entirely down to Mowbray's mismanagement of the Club's resources.

2) Him and Waggott are also responsible for not safeguarding the Club's position as regards our better players because Mowbray by his own admission had some (imo misguided) notion he didn't want to upset the rest of the squad. As a result apart from having to let Armstrong go for less than his true worth we face the prospect of another £30m or so worth of talent walking out of the door for nothing.

3) The last 3 years on the pitch have been imo some of the worst I've seen in 50 years of watching the Club bearing in mind the very generous financial backing he's had.

4) He brought an atrocious CEO into the Club to watch his back in Waggott then the pair underhandedly tried to flog off part of the Club's infrastructure on false premises that Cat 1 Academy Status could be maintained. Then they were forced into an embarrassing climb down.

5) He's brought another pal into the Club as Head of Recruitment who seems incapable of unearthing a suitable permanent transfer target we can get over the line.

"There's a chance we'll be looking back fondly at the days of Mowbray!" 

Sheesh, give me a break! It will be a day for extremely joyous celebration when the toxic trio of him Waggott and Venus finally leave the Club.

I disagree with lots of this, particularly don't like the tone of it either.

Like 1- he inherited a struggling squad, rebuilt it for league one, then had some good/bad since. I mean he brought (had him at cov, and he’s also from the north east - two things constantly brought out as negatives) a player who’s probably covered his entire transfer fee outlay in 4 years.

Could’ve been Brentford level - but to say it’s horrendous - bit stupid really.

2. The owners are responsible for hiring Waggott, regardless of TMs recommendations. Their abject laziness is responsible for that, even if I agree somewhat on the training ground bollox

3. The bold part is so short sighted / minded. I can give you two managers within 20 years who’ve put up a lot worse than Tony’s inconsistent Rovers - and Brian Kidd had probably a top 5 wage bill, and most to spend to get us back up.

Kean though. I mean I know some of us have burnt that entire episode out of our minds but he sew our future up with stupid wages, and the most badly organised footballers I’ve ever seen.

5 is again giving no benefit of the doubt or expecting immediate results based on your own ridiculous expectations. Shoe horn in a “it’s his mate” and there we are.

Tonys done well in patches, average in the transfer window and ultimately failed to move us forward.

Suggesting he’s the worst manager in 50 years is exactly the type of over the top comment that gets football fans pigeon holed as “over reactive, over expectant and utterly foolish!”

[Oldgregg86]

Ronaldinho to complete an amazing day treble signing. 

[chaddyrovers]

Our current EFL squad would have 23 EFL squad at the minute. 25 is the limt

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19534003.efl-squad-list-affect-blackburn-rovers-transfer-decisions/

[TimmyJimmy]

On the Mowbray arguments - I think truth often lays in the greyness of things, rarely is it black or white.

Combine views on Venky's and TM. Good Good, Bad Bad, Good Bad, Bad Good. None of these stand up to scrutiny. They're all a little bit shit. Argue away as to where the balance lays.

For me TM should go, the fit with us and the club is wrong, end of. Is he a decent human being, yes IMO. Is he bent, no IMO. Does he like everyone else get things right and wrong  again yes IMO.

I'm not comfortable with the 'everything is shite, start again' view. Things are difficult and things are tough because I cannot see any way that we will become great again and win things the way matters stand. Time for a change is long past. But I don't think it's purely down to having the world's worst manager and the world's worst owners.

That's my two pennies worth.

[47er]

46 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Suggesting he’s the worst manager in 50 years is exactly the type of over the top comment that gets football fans pigeon holed as “over reactive, over expectant and utterly foolish!”

Rev never said that, what he did say I entirely agree with.---last 3 years have seen some of the worst football he's seen in 50 years. Who could argue wth that?

Who has expected "immediate results"? No-one I know. In any case he's has 4 and a half years and been well backed in the transfer market.

Agree the owners are chiefly to blame and one of the things they're to blame with is appointing a succession of lousy managers and executives---Singh, Waggot,Kean, Coyle and Mowbray.

Rev can speak for himself but personally I can't see what you are so hyped up about.