Summer transfer window 2021.

[Roverthechimp]

3 hours ago, JohnGo said:

Been told dingles looking at Nyambe as backup right back. They think bid of less than £1m will be enough to get him.

If we aren't planning on offering him a decent deal then sell for whatever we can get but with 40% sell on 

Right manager and fitness/physio could make him into a 10m player. Worth a shot if we can't be arsed/afford trying to keep him...

[riverholmes]

If Rovers sign a forward, it's more likely Gallagher will return to the wing. It might be better to hope we don't sign one.

Either way, I have lost interest in new signings given that they'll be thrown unto our shapeless and inconsistent bag of spuds team line-ups. Which, itself, is part of an ad hoc club strategy that involves reacting rather than planning. Rovers let go three LBs in the summer and none brought in - unless the Brighton defender can play there.

Even Elliot, despite his assists and goals, struggled to lift the team out of the mire.

That said, I'm hopeful about the Brighton defender. It's not much to go on but that club seem to be associated with good CBs. (Well, they seem to do ok when at Brighton.)

Edited August 30, 2021 by riverholmes

[Bigdoggsteel]

I'm hearing it's us , Fulham , Bournemouth and West brom in for Obafemi. Which one is not like the others? All we can offer is more game time 

[Angry_Pirate]

So, Michael Obafemi chatter is back, Reda Khadra seems like it will happen, linked to Tayo Edun, and brief rumours of Patrick Roberts. 

Pickering signed, van Hecke, Clarkson and Poveda already loaned.

Joe Rankin-Costello, Bradley Dack, Scott Wharton and Bradley Johnson to return.

For me, we would still need someone far more capable than Johnson, Davenport or Clarkson next to Travis for the 4-2-3-1 formation, after what we saw at 'Boro.

Beyond that, and given where we were 2 weeks ago the limitations of Mowbray, Waggot and Venkies, dare I see not a "complete" disaster assuming the majority of the ones listed in bold (less so Khadra) come off.

Of course if they're all loans, we finish without promotion and lose Nyambe, Rothwell, Lenihan and Brereton for free... then the whole season has been a Titanic failure. 

[Admiral Nelsen]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I'm hearing it's us , Fulham , Bournemouth and West brom in for Obafemi. Which one is not like the others? All we can offer is more game time 

Or feasibly the only concrete offer - it could be the case that those other clubs are looking but don't have him on the top of their lists.

 

 

[Torgeir]

Total shambles if we don't sign one player on a permanent contract this window. We won't have a single buy option in any of the loan deals, and the club has know for ages that Armstrong was a goner sooner or later. 

 

[bluebruce]

10 minutes ago, riverholmes said:

Rovers let go three LBs in the summer and none brought in - unless the Brighton defender can play there.

Christ...I think our transfer strategy is abysmal, but that statement is a stretch. We let two LBs go (I'm not going to seriously count Downing there, he was a midfielder who could be forced in there when necessary) and we brought one in. It's immaterial that we technically signed him in January, he has only just rocked up.

[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, Torgeir said:

Total shambles if we don't sign one player on a permanent contract this window. We won't have a single buy option in any of the loan deals, and the club has know for ages that Armstrong was a goner sooner or later. 

 

And of course, we are short of owning many players, with that situation looking likely to worsen next summer as it's hard to see us keeping all the out of contract assets. We can rest assured there won't be a budget next summer unless we sell again, the Armstrong money will just vanish into the legendary black hole.

[Bigdoggsteel]

14 minutes ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

Or feasibly the only concrete offer - it could be the case that those other clubs are looking but don't have him on the top of their lists.

 

 

ya, probably 

[Bigdoggsteel]

23 minutes ago, riverholmes said:

If Rovers sign a forward, it's more likely Gallagher will return to the wing. It might be better to hope we don't sign one.

Either way, I have lost interest in new signings given that they'll be thrown unto our shapeless and inconsistent bag of spuds team line-ups. Which, itself, is part of an ad hoc club strategy that involves reacting rather than planning. Rovers let go three LBs in the summer and none brought in - unless the Brighton defender can play there.

Even Elliot, despite his assists and goals, struggled to lift the team out of the mire.

That said, I'm hopeful about the Brighton defender. It's not much to go on but that club seem to be associated with good CBs. (Well, they seem to do ok when at Brighton.)

Why would you not count Pickering as a left back, the guy who joined this summer and is playing ...,well...left back 

[Torgeir]

9 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

And of course, we are short of owning many players, with that situation looking likely to worsen next summer as it's hard to see us keeping all the out of contract assets. We can rest assured there won't be a budget next summer unless we sell again, the Armstrong money will just vanish into the legendary black hole.

Worrying times. While it's positive that some of our academy players will get the nod, we also need to expand our scouting and bring in players with resale potential. Not many players worth north of £1m in our squad come next summer.

[riverholmes]

22 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Christ...I think our transfer strategy is abysmal, but that statement is a stretch. We let two LBs go (I'm not going to seriously count Downing there, he was a midfielder who could be forced in there when necessary) and we brought one in. It's immaterial that we technically signed him in January, he has only just rocked up.

Sorry, I forgot Pickering completely, so, yes, we brought one in. However, we let go Bell, Douglas and Thompson. In the reserve game last week, there was no left footed defender available for full back, as Annesley was on international duty and Cirino not playing, so Pike was at left back. Unless the new Brighton defender can play LB, it looks like JRC or Cirino might be the back up left back. I wouldn't be against Cirino being back up but don't see JRC as an effective LB.

It's just an example of the lack of coherence and longer-term planning and not the most significant. It's visible everywhere - the situation with Harry Chapman is another case. We saw it last year, too, when players that had no future at the club were sitting on the bench and getting meaningless cameo appearances.

Edited August 30, 2021 by riverholmes

[RevidgeBlue]

7 minutes ago, riverholmes said:

Sorry, I forgot Pickering completely, so, yes, we brought one in. However, we let go Bell, Douglas and Thompson. In the reserve game last week, there was no left footed defender available for full back, as Annesley was on international duty and Cirino not playing, so Pike was at left back. Unless the new Brighton defender can play LB, it looks like JRC or Cirino might be the back up left back. I wouldn't be against Cirino being back up but don't see JRC as an effective LB.

It's just an example of the lack of coherence and longer-term planning. It's visible everywhere - the situation with Harry Chapman is another case. 

Can we realistically afford two first team quality players in every position at the moment? I'm rather more worried we haven't got a first team quality starting X1!

I take on board the comments of the likes of Parson Blue about being unconvinced by Pickering. I wasn't overly convinced by his early run outs either but thought he stuck to his task quite well on Saturday considering the midfield was being over-run.

I think we have far more pressing priorities than a back up LB.

Edited August 30, 2021 by RevidgeBlue

[JacknOry]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Can we realistically afford two first team quality players in every position at the moment? I'm rather more worried we haven't got a first team quality starting X1!

I take on board the comments of the likes of Parson Blue about being unconvinced by Pickering. I wasn't overly convinced by his early run outs either but thought he stuck to his task quite well on Saturday considering the midfield was being over-run.

I think we have far more pressing priorities than a back up LB.

Like at RB for one. Nyambe might be off, we're playing a rookie CB there (and he is now suspended). JRC and Nyambe both injured. 

[LDRover]

I'm sure the workaholic head of recruitment has got everything in hand. No need to worry.

[roversfan99]

56 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Regarding the Nyambe rumours - although using the term rumours might be generous - our owners are incompetent, but they've consistently shown that they will hold out for a good price for players. Raya is probably the only one we've got majorly wrong, but even that was more down to the fact that Mowbray had decided to move on.

I can't see them letting a useful player go for a million or less. At that price they will hold onto him. 

Is this true? Under them, we rarely sell players at the right time or for the right amount. We had a fire sale during the summer in which we was under embargo, Cairney left for a really low fee, Gestede went on the cheap too. Raya as you mention went cheap, plus Armstrong went for cheap considering how many goals he had scored. Duffy and Hanley didnt get us much either.

[Fraserkirky]

I never really believed the West Brom interest in Obafemi. He is isn’t big enough for them.

It might be as simple as rot in reserves or go play for Blackburn Rovers, with the time ticking. He would be our starting number 9, stick in a reasonable min release clause to premiership, and get up the road son.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, LDRover said:

I'm sure the workaholic head of recruitment has got everything in hand. No need to worry.

One hundred and eighty!

Edited August 30, 2021 by RevidgeBlue

[rigger]

15 minutes ago, riverholmes said:

Sorry, I forgot Pickering completely, so, yes, we brought one in. However, we let go Bell, Douglas and Thompson. In the reserve game last week, there was no left footed defender available for full back, as Annesley was on international duty and Cirino not playing, so Pike was at left back. Unless the new Brighton defender can play LB, it looks like JRC or Cirino might be the back up left back. I wouldn't be against Cirino being back up but don't see JRC as an effective LB.

It's just an example of the lack of coherence and longer-term planning and not the most significant. It's visible everywhere - the situation with Harry Chapman is another case. We saw it last year, too, when players that had no future at the club were sitting on the bench and getting meaningless cameo appearances.

So basically we have got Pickering and Cirino for the left back position. Last season we had Bell and Douglas. To me that is an improvement.

[Leonard Venkhater]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Is this true? Under them, we rarely sell players at the right time or for the right amount. We had a fire sale during the summer in which we was under embargo, Cairney left for a really low fee, Gestede went on the cheap too. Raya as you mention went cheap, plus Armstrong went for cheap considering how many goals he had scored. Duffy and Hanley didnt get us much either.

Yeah, useless business infrastructure....Cairney was a particularly bad example......Don't forget Josh King either...

I think the Rhodes figure was probably "massaged" too....

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

If Mowbray and Waggott don't sign a striker then both now sacking asap. You knew for 6 months that Armstrong would leave this season and you should have had a shortlist of targets and players we wanted months ago. Fed up with your bloody excuses. Go and sign a striker who wants to be here and not a kid who turned you down weeks ago. 

Mowbray needs sacking because he has overseen obvious regression in this last year, and Waggott needs sacking for offering no value to the club at any point during his time either. Neither need sacking purely based on petulance over a potential inability to get a permanent striker in on a pittance.

You keep obsessing about Obafemi as if Mowbray is sat there waiting for a phone call back from him, that sky sports transfer centre just regurgitates news, there is no sign that we are still after him, and you are so naive as others have said in thinking that players will come here desperate to play for us. You keep suggesting the same players, 2 are injured, (Simms, Morris) one is a player that you have only seen on youtube, (Healey) another is not a striker (Dale) and one is being linked with £5m moves.

We wont sign a permanent striker because seemingly we have barely any money, even after the massive profit on the Armstrong deal.

[riverholmes]

11 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Can we realistically afford two first team quality players in every position at the moment? I'm rather more worried we haven't got a first team quality starting X1!

I take on board the comments of the likes of Parson Blue about being unconvinced by Pickering. I wasn't overly convinced by his early run outs either but thought he stuck to his task quite well on Saturday considering the midfield was being over-run.

I think we have far more pressing priorities than a back up LB.

You need a capable back-up for every position if you have any aspirations. Whilst, I don't advocate bringing in a specialist LB just as a back-up, it would have made sense to sign a left footed centre back on loan, who can also deputise at LB. Alternately, if Cirino is being prepared for the role, then he should be on the bench and getting sub opportunities to ready him.

If Pickering was injured against Boro, we may have had Magloire at left back.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, Leonard Venkhater said:

Yeah, useless business infrastructure....Cairney was a particularly bad example......Don't forget Josh King either...

I think the Rhodes figure was probably "massaged" too....

Devil's advocate mode on:

Cairney was pretty inconsistent when he was here due to Bowyer not having enough faith in him. I wouldn't have sold him personally but he only really showed his true ability after leaving here. Without a crystal ball at the time think Raya was the bigger error.

King I'm not having at all. He was bloody useless when he was here and stunk the place out with his attitude. He's one player I don't think you can blame the Club for with benefit of hindsight type arguments.

[Theaxe15]

To be fair we are being linked with a left back today... And it's been stated several times it's something they're at sorting.

The transfer window has been pretty tragic in general but I think at this point you might as well hold back the fury till after 11pm tomorrow as none of us really know what business we're going to do between now and then. Might end up with a front 3 of Obafemi, Healey and Toni.......

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Mowbray needs sacking because he has overseen obvious regression in this last year, and Waggott needs sacking for offering no value to the club at any point during his time either. Neither need sacking purely based on petulance over a potential inability to get a permanent striker in on a pittance.

You keep obsessing about Obafemi as if Mowbray is sat there waiting for a phone call back from him, that sky sports transfer centre just regurgitates news, there is no sign that we are still after him, and you are so naive as others have said in thinking that players will come here desperate to play for us. You keep suggesting the same players, 2 are injured, (Simms, Morris) one is a player that you have only seen on youtube, (Healey) another is not a striker (Dale) and one is being linked with £5m moves.

We wont sign a permanent striker because seemingly we have barely any money, even after the massive profit on the Armstrong deal.

I’ve seen Morris play, he’ll run around up front a lot,  and put himself about,  but when it comes to putting the ball in the back of the net he’s a bit of a blunt instrument.