Summer transfer window 2021.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, riverholmes said:

You need a capable back-up for every position if you have any aspirations. Whilst, I don't advocate bringing in a specialist LB just as a back-up, it would have made sense to sign a left footed centre back on loan, who can also deputise at LB. Alternately, if Cirino is being prepared for the role, then he should be on the bench and getting sub opportunities to ready him.

If Pickering was injured against Boro, we may have had Magloire at left back.

I think in our current situation we have to pour as much as we can into the starting X1 and the Academy lads such as Cirino HAVE  to be the back up.

This is partly how we got into such a mess having a ridiculously bloated squad. We've had about fifteen midfielders for years until this summer.

[Torgeir]

Just now, Theaxe15 said:

To be fair we are being linked with a left back today... And it's been stated several times it's something they're at sorting.

The transfer window has been pretty tragic in general but I think at this point you might as well hold back the fury till after 11pm tomorrow as none of us really know what business we're going to do between now and then. Might end up with a front 3 of Obafemi, Healey and Toni.......

We should have had a replacement deal lined up as soon as Armstrong left. I'm fairly confident Obafemi wasn't on our shortlist before Southampton won the contest for Arma. 

[Sparks Rover]

4 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

a front 3 of Obafemi, Healey and Toni.......

Martins, David and Duggan would be ok

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Devil's advocate mode on:

Cairney was pretty inconsistent when he was here due to Bowyer not having enough faith in him. I wouldn't have sold him personally but he only really showed his true ability after leaving here. Without a crystal ball at the time think Raya was the bigger error.

King I'm not having at all. He was bloody useless when he was here and stunk the place out with his attitude. He's one player I don't think you can blame the Club for with benefit of hindsight type arguments.

I agree with you about Cairney, he blew a bit hot and cold in my opinion. He looked good playing out wide but he couldn’t take the game by the scruff of the neck when given several chances in central midfield.

[47er]

6 minutes ago, Theaxe15 said:

The transfer window has been pretty tragic in general

No change there then.

[Leonard Venkhater]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Devil's advocate mode on:

Cairney was pretty inconsistent when he was here due to Bowyer not having enough faith in him. I wouldn't have sold him personally but he only really showed his true ability after leaving here. Without a crystal ball at the time think Raya was the bigger error.

King I'm not having at all. He was bloody useless when he was here and stunk the place out with his attitude. He's one player I don't think you can blame the Club for with benefit of hindsight type arguments.

I know where you're coming from...but..when he was playing so well for Norway, the press were musing about why he never got a game for Rovers....I think there is a case that he was mismanaged in the wasteful Bowyer era.....If they didn't fancy him, they should have sold him much sooner....

[bluebruce]

10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Devil's advocate mode on:

Cairney was pretty inconsistent when he was here due to Bowyer not having enough faith in him. I wouldn't have sold him personally but he only really showed his true ability after leaving here. Without a crystal ball at the time think Raya was the bigger error.

King I'm not having at all. He was bloody useless when he was here and stunk the place out with his attitude. He's one player I don't think you can blame the Club for with benefit of hindsight type arguments.

Total disagree on Cairney. We weren't getting the best out of him by playing him wide (clearly we have learnt from that since...Jesus...) but it was still abundantly obvious he was a key player for us and worth considerably more than the pittance we sold him for. I was fuming about the deal. At the time, not with hindsight nor a crystal ball. I wasn't alone.

We were in full fire sale mode and got well under his worth.

King I wanted to keep, we saw potential in him but for various reasons (including not getting consistent runs in the side) never hit it with us. I definitely wanted him to sign a new deal instead of leaving, though I'll agree I was surprised by how well and how quickly he took to the Prem.

Edited August 30, 2021 by bluebruce

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

10 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Total disagree on Cairney. We weren't getting the best out of him by playing him wide (clearly we have learnt from that since...Jesus...) but it was still abundantly obvious he was a key player for us and worth considerably more than the pittance we sold him for. I was fuming about the deal. At the time, not with hindsight nor a crystal ball. I wasn't alone.

We were in full fire sale mode and got well under his worth.

King I wanted to keep, we saw potential in him but for various reasons (including not getting consistent runs in the side) never hit it with us. I definitely wanted him to sign a new deal instead of leaving, though I'll agree I was surprised by how well and how quickly he took to the Prem.

Whenever I saw Cairney playing in central midfield he looked overawed by the responsibility and the game seemed to pass him by. Obviously better coaching at Fulham has improved that side of his game.

[Admiral Nelsen]

14 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Devil's advocate mode on:

Cairney was pretty inconsistent when he was here due to Bowyer not having enough faith in him. I wouldn't have sold him personally but he only really showed his true ability after leaving here. Without a crystal ball at the time think Raya was the bigger error.

King I'm not having at all. He was bloody useless when he was here and stunk the place out with his attitude. He's one player I don't think you can blame the Club for with benefit of hindsight type arguments.

 

Completely see where you're coming from on Cairney (and you're right that it was more about not fitting him into the right system, rather a dig at the player). £3million was a total disgrace though, even at the time. If it was double that then you could talk about it being one that we got wrong in retrospect, rather than obviously having our pants pulled down.

 

I take a different view on Raya and King though. I was sorry to see Raya go, but if we ended up getting £5million plus a sell on for him, then that's in the range of being a half-decent deal in my view. He is worth more than that now of course, so that could be an argument that we got it wrong, but I'm not convinced that his stock would've risen as much had he stayed here (or went to another club).

 

On King, I think we dropped a massive clanger in not playing him at least somewhere, even if Bowyer didn't want to make the call in dropping Rhodes or Rudy. In fact, I think the only time in the last 10 years when we genuinely looked like promotion candidates was when Marshall was injured, and we had King and Conway on the wings. Remember some aways that season where King was absolutely unplayable - seem to remember being 4-0 up at St Andrews at half time and every goal was a result of King roasting their full back. Take that spell alongside his cup exploits, I think we have to look at that one and ask why we couldn't get more out of him. 

[Bbrovers2288]

For a striker I’d be asking how much Barnsley would be wanting for Cauley Woodrow, always impressed me 

[Admiral Nelsen]

11 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Whenever I saw Cairney playing in central midfield he looked overawed by the responsibility and the game seemed to pass him by. Obviously better coaching at Fulham has improved that side of his game.

 

I always felt Cairney was at his best when he really wanted to hurt teams - looking to take more risks in creating chances or scoring himself and less concerned about giving possession away. It could be 2+2=5, but he was excellent whenever he played at Elland Road after being let go by Leeds as a youngster. 

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

4 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

For a striker I’d be asking how much Barnsley would be wanting for Cauley Woodrow, always impressed me 

Too much, I would imagine. Would be a good signing though

[Bbrovers2288]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Too much, I would imagine. Would be a good signing though

Yea probably but worth asking, complete striker for me 

[J*B]

Haven’t read the thread but the Brighton winger has signed and they’ve told Obafemi he has until 10am tomorrow to show intent. 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

Martins, David and Duggan would be ok

We might be lucky to get Hugh,Pugh and Barney Macgrew.

Edited August 30, 2021 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[islander200]

Announce Obafemi

[simongarnerisgod]

29 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

For a striker I’d be asking how much Barnsley would be wanting for Cauley Woodrow, always impressed me 

proper centre forward is`nt he,can`t play anywhere else so that would rule out mowbray signing him,he`d be a good signing if we had a different manager

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, J*B said:

Haven’t read the thread but the Brighton winger has signed and they’ve told Obafemi he has until 10am tomorrow to show intent. 

Where is this from on Obafemi?

[G Somerset Rover]

15 minutes ago, J*B said:

Haven’t read the thread but the Brighton winger has signed and they’ve told Obafemi he has until 10am tomorrow to show intent. 

I’m still confident that we won’t land any striker on a permanent basis.

[TheRoversReturn]

2 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Walton going on loan to Ipswich - thought he was penned in to be a starter at Brighton after the loan to us? He is even behind Steele ffs lol. 

We could have sneaked into the playoffs that season if he hadn't cost us so many points.

We'd not have won them mind, but still...

[K-Hod]

32 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

proper centre forward is`nt he,can`t play anywhere else so that would rule out mowbray signing him,he`d be a good signing if we had a different manager

Neither had Sam Gallagher….

[Tom]

So Khedra will be next in, seems we are getting the ones that are easy to be done sorted, just hope we land the ones we really need!

[chaddyrovers]

 

3 hours ago, islander200 said:

Chaddy you are being daft.

If say Healey had a few offers in, would you want to move on from him if he didn't decide straight away to sign for us?

You act like it should be every players dream to sign for us

 

No its called forward planning and making sure we were ready to sign a replacement as soon as Armstrong deal was done. But Mowbray and Rovers wasted 2 weeks chasing a player who has no interest in being here. 

on your scenario, I want answer from any player as soon as possible and would set a deadline.  We have games to players. 

No clearly its not but we can't be wasting time and effort on players who don;'t want to come to play first team football

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

They don't excite anybody, not just me. 

There is no point me suggesting players, I'm only interested in reality, not hypotheticals.  Goals in Scotland ,League 1 or below are no barometer for the standard we need to replace Armstrong. 

Good for you then. I rather discuss potential players thats we should have been targets. If you don't want then please bother replying to me thanks. 

Also how many championship goals did Armstrong before he signed here. 

 

3 hours ago, Jimmy612 said:

In defence of Chaddy, I don't think Obafemi will sign for us.  I also totally agree with him that it's ludicrous that we are facing the prospect of not replacing Arma's 30 goals a season. Villa lost Grealish and had done their business before they accepted City's offer. Difference being of course, Grealish had at least 3 years left on his contract so the ball was in their court.

I'm also not being swept away by this decent start to the season.  We will fall away and we will struggle - none of the signings so far have convinced me otherwise.  If we don't sign a half decent striker I fear for us a little.

That's the point I am making is Rovers and Mowbray would have know for 6 months that Armstrong would have been off last January/ February. Rovers and Mowbray should have been scouting and researching potential replacements. Other teams do it but Rovers and Mowbray haven't and now its costing. Is  it so hard to plan.  

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Doesn't sound like he will be rotting there. He will either be here, which would be a great signing, or he will go to a better run club, with a better chance of promotion. Probably the latter 

Let him go to these other clubs then. You mention West Brom and Fulham who both signed strikers this past week so why would they need Obafemi. 

You

[Cherry Blue]

It's obvious imo & probably among most that Obafemi doesn't want to come. He's had a sniff at premier football and doesn't want to let go hoping there's still a chance he can make it. Quality footballer he may be but no point us having an unhappy player who can't make a decision on his future.   

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

You said it didn't matter we had no head of recruitment for 5 months. You said the work had been done on transfers before the last guy left. Do you now admit that things are shambolic? 

You can blame the head of recruitment if you want but given we after Harvey left and we still have interim Head of recruitment in Glyn Chamberlain but the man who is responsible is Mowbray and he makes the decision the who we sign at the end of day. So is the man to blame for this summer recruitment mess

 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Mowbray needs sacking because he has overseen obvious regression in this last year, and Waggott needs sacking for offering no value to the club at any point during his time either. Neither need sacking purely based on petulance over a potential inability to get a permanent striker in on a pittance.

You keep obsessing about Obafemi as if Mowbray is sat there waiting for a phone call back from him, that sky sports transfer centre just regurgitates news, there is no sign that we are still after him, and you are so naive as others have said in thinking that players will come here desperate to play for us. You keep suggesting the same players, 2 are injured, (Simms, Morris) one is a player that you have only seen on youtube, (Healey) another is not a striker (Dale) and one is being linked with £5m moves.

We wont sign a permanent striker because seemingly we have barely any money, even after the massive profit on the Armstrong deal.

If you want to keep defending Mowbray and Waggott then carry on please but I won't. Mowbray has known for months this situation that Armstrong would move on was coming. So he and his staff should have been planning for months for different shortlist for different prices. Something Mowbray has mention several times himself. As we were in talks with Southampton over the Armstrong deal, Rovers under Waggott and Mowbray leadership should have been putting bids for several transfer targets. 

Keep having a go at me if you want for suggesting transfer targets and players we could be signing weeks ago if we have a proper recruitment and transfer plan from our 2 management leaders at the club in Waggott and Mowbray. Simms is almost back in transfer and had a good spell at Blackpool last season. Morris was fit 2 weeks ago so we could have signed him before his injury. I've seen Healey's goals on Youtube for MK Dons and Toulouse and he knows the goals are. Dale can play anyway in the front 3. Charles is available for 750k and scores goals. Why not bring in him? 

I'm sorry to say this but the only reason we won't sign a permanent striker is down to the completely and utter incompetence of Mowbray and Waggott failure to be decisive and do some long term planning in terms of recruitment and scouting. 

54 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

For a striker I’d be asking how much Barnsley would be wanting for Cauley Woodrow, always impressed me 

I agree. Would be a good signing and someone I have mention several times. 

Have you heard anything about any potential signings or interest in players before tomorrow deadline? 

25 minutes ago, J*B said:

Haven’t read the thread but the Brighton winger has signed and they’ve told Obafemi he has until 10am tomorrow to show intent. 

Wouldn't have signed the Brighton winger at all. Rather use JRC further forward. 

Can't believe Mowbray and Rovers have gone back for Obafemi. This is one of the main reason I would like a see recruitment and signing decisions taking away and we move to a modern day Football managerial set up of sporting director and head coach structure.