Football Terminology

[roversfan99]

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/transfer-news/blackburn-rovers-transfers-poveda-brighton-21400500

According to Jaquob Crooke:

The signing of Poveda could lead to a tactical reshuffle that means that "Joe Rothwell can be unshackled from the pivot."

Poveda can help us "when when looking to operate on transition."

A positive of Van Hecke is his "ability to pick a pass through defensive lines."

I think he has swallowed all of the latest footballing jargon.

[Mattyblue]

Some of these new ‘digital journalists’ need to learn how to construct a coherent paragraph before chucking in a load of jargon.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Some of these new ‘digital journalists’ need to learn how to construct a coherent paragraph before chucking in a load of jargon.

Or is Khadra right, Ben Brereton left and Poveda in the No.10 behind Sam Gallagher of Tony Mowbray's preference? Tyrhys Dolan and Harry Chapman are important factors in this discussion. Then there is of course John Buckley, who's proved effective in an advanced role while the menacing Joe Rothwell can be unshackled from the pivot. Leighton Clarkson, too, and we can't forget Joe Rankin-Costello, who is edging closer to his return from injury.

This hurt my head.

[DanLad]

I watched a YouTube video of Phil Foden and another player watching Sunday league football. I seem to recall there were some awful bits of skill and some great bits. The thing that jumped out at me though was a section where the was a great bit of play and Foden turned to the other lad and said in a strange voice 'have you got that in your locker?'. It was said without emotion, almost robotically. I thought it might have just come out a bit weird, but he repeated it in the same robotic way shortly afterwards. It sounded stilted and not a normal way of talking.  It made me wonder how institutionalised and distant from normal society some of these young footballers are too talk in such a way. 

I suppose football has developed it's own language over time anyway, so maybe I'm just being over sensitive. Let's face it, at the end of the day, so long as you get 3 points the gaffer is over the moon.

[Mike E]

14 hours ago, DanLad said:

I watched a YouTube video of Phil Foden and another player watching Sunday league football. I seem to recall there were some awful bits of skill and some great bits. The thing that jumped out at me though was a section where the was a great bit of play and Foden turned to the other lad and said in a strange voice 'have you got that in your locker?'. It was said without emotion, almost robotically. I thought it might have just come out a bit weird, but he repeated it in the same robotic way shortly afterwards. It sounded stilted and not a normal way of talking.  It made me wonder how institutionalised and distant from normal society some of these young footballers are too talk in such a way. 

I suppose football has developed it's own language over time anyway, so maybe I'm just being over sensitive. Let's face it, at the end of the day, so long as you get 3 points the gaffer is over the moon.

Or sick as a parrot when you lose.

[DanLad]

11 hours ago, Mike E said:

Or sick as a parrot when you lose.

Exactly. That's why you get at 'em early doors.

[roversfan99]

Another new one. Seems our new signing Edun is a bit of a deep completions expert.

[RoverDom]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Another new one. Seems our new signing Edun is a bit of a deep completions expert.

His missus must be very happy... 

[Mattyblue]

‘Half spaces’.

[Cuppliance]

I remember seeing Alex Scott saying “Low Block” while doing punditry and Graham Souness challenged her on it. In the end, after it was explained he said “ahh right, defending deep then…”

Edited October 23, 2021 by Carbz
Typo

[roversfan99]

Field tilts being mentioned on Monday Night Football. Me neither.

[Ianrally]

I am watching this game and have to pinch myself that the punditry is actually relating to the sport I thought I knew. Obviously after 62 years I know nowt. 

[roversfan99]

So much of the new terminology is totally unnecessary, a prime example being vertical passing.

[Oldgregg86]

even at 35 i feel like i have no idea about the modern game tactically etc just the years of playing and watching to know a good and bad player and the enjoyment of a good goal/tackle/save bit of skill etc

[AllRoverAsia]

I played on pitches with plenty of 'Field Tilt', plus cow and sheep shit.

[Mattyblue]

2 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

even at 35 i feel like i have no idea about the modern game tactically etc just the years of playing and watching to know a good and bad player and the enjoyment of a good goal/tackle/save bit of skill etc

Oh but you do. 

‘Low block’, ‘pivots’ and all the rest of the jargon is just that. They are not revolutionary new ways of playing the game, just re-badged aged old tactics, but it keeps the new army of analysts, both professional and the Twitter amateurs busy.
 

Edited November 2, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Ianrally]

Just heard a new one while watching Manchester v Leeds. 
“Foden is a master at putting the ball at risk”

This from the female co- commentator whoever she may be. WTF does that mean. 
Should I be ringing The Royal Society for the Protection of Balls?

[Guest]

On 02/11/2021 at 07:26, Mattyblue said:

Oh but you do. 

‘Low block’, ‘pivots’ and all the rest of the jargon is just that. They are not revolutionary new ways of playing the game, just re-badged aged old tactics, but it keeps the new army of analysts, both professional and the Twitter amateurs busy.
 

Or, the terms are heavily used within the professional game because it’s progress. It’s not about being busier, it’s about being smarter. The way clubs recruit and analyse performance is developing.

New ideas. Disliking them is fine, but accusing them of being fake isn’t right.

Edited December 15, 2021 by JoeH

[Mattyblue]

What am I disliking? 

I’m merely talking about the crafty re-naming of long established tactics by analysts, not belittling data analysis itself.

New tactics spearheaded by data analysts, then ok, certainly ‘progress’…

but in what way is calling it a ‘low block’ instead of ‘defending deep’ or ‘two banks of four’  or a ‘pivot’ instead of a ‘holding/deep lying midfielder’ “Progress”?

[roversfan99]

12 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Or, the terms are heavily used within the professional game because it’s progress. It’s not about being busier, it’s about being smarter. The way clubs recruit and analyse performance is developing.

New ideas. Disliking them is fine, but accusing them of being fake isn’t right.

Why does that make it progress? Terms/phrases such as low block and pivot or indeed the meaning existed prior to someone feeling the need to come up with an alternative way of putting it. Why does it make it smarter to for example say low block rather than sit deep?

[K-Hod]

A low block doesn’t even make sense.

Unless you mean blocking a shot with your bollocks…..

[Displaced Rover]

I genuinely don't understand why this riles people up so much. Who cares what pundits (the vast majority of whom spout shite regardless of terminology used) call things? It makes no odds to watching a game of football and appreciating good play.

[Mattyblue]

Doesn’t rile me, more amusing, obviously riles the analysts themselves when they get rumbled though 😁

[Herbie6590]

I’m a big fan of the Football Cliches podcast & there are a couple of historic episodes that are well worth a listen…highly recommended…

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[Guest]

35 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

A low block doesn’t even make sense.

Unless you mean blocking a shot with your bollocks…..

A low block has nothing to do with blocking shots/passes