Rovers v Rotherham

[BigBar]

13 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mowbray’s interview - zzzzzzzzzz - Holtby is leaving.

Did you read it or listen? Where did you get it?

[Crimpshrine]

58 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Better run club than us simple as that.

Not better funded, not really better players, no youth set up like ours, not as good facilities.

Just better run and better managed and better motivated, it really is pathetic that's still the case.

William Hill now have Ainsworth 1/2 for PNE job, nearest challanger McAvoy 8/1 - looks nailed on.

Can't help thinking we will be at opposite ends of the league table next season.

Gutted

[yankfan]

1 hour ago, perthblue02 said:

If Rotherham sneek an equaliser, its double the chance Derby will go down.  All for that 🙂

If it doubles the chance TM gets his walking papers...all for that 

[davulsukur]

30 minutes ago, WacoRover said:

Seriously, I’m just ready for this season to end. I know we’ve had some heartaches and missed opportunities, to go with the injuries, but we’ve also had many failures, from the manager to the players on the field.

We have six, 0-1 losses... in 2021 alone.
I can think of six games easily, that we could’ve pulled 12 points from, 3 wins & 3 ties, today should’ve been 3. Missed opportunities (yes, I know every team can say the same). 

I can't imagine there are many Rovers fans who don't want the season to end. I'd be happy if today was the last game to be honest.

Mowbray needs to be binned ASAP after the last game. Its going to be rough going trying to galvanise fans into coming back to Ewood.

[tomphil]

14 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

William Hill now have Ainsworth 1/2 for PNE job, nearest challanger McAvoy 8/1 - looks nailed on.

Can't help thinking we will be at opposite ends of the league table next season.

Gutted

There'll be daylight between them and us next season.

[BigBar]

Be interested to see who thinks he will be here next season. Signs seem to be that he is going to stay until pushed which is a shame. The owners basically only need convincing from the man himself as fans can't let their feelings be known which complicates the whole thing and makes it all the more frustrating.

[Bigdoggsteel]

39 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mowbray’s interview - zzzzzzzzzz - Holtby is leaving.

He left mentally and pretty much physically months ago 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Seen it far too many times this Season...another crap result.

The thought of knowing Mowbray will possibly be in charge next Season...pass me the Rope!

[darrenrover]

Absolute bobbins. Get the brush out starting at the top!

[roversfan99]

Another game in which we were simply not good enough in attacking positions, whilst defensively, in the main we were fine but we often look ok yet seldom keep clean sheets, we always tend to concede one.

Again the focus is on Armstrong who was foiled twice by their keeper with one on ones that he shouldnt have given the keeper a chance with, following an excellent goal all of his own making. I dont think his biggest problem is necessarily greed/selfishness, I think that theory really bubbled up after that solitary game v Bristol City, I think his pace and anticipation make him probably better than any striker in the division at being in positions to get good chances, none of todays are ones that he should have passed, his issue which may prevent him from being a Premier League player is that he is not ruthless enough by any means, give him 3 one on ones and he will likely put one away, give Pukki or Toney the same amount and they may put 2 away.

The problem I have is whilst in isolation, the criticism of Armstrongs misses are very valid, you have to take a step back and say that a 25 goal striker in reality should walk our player of the season award, 100%. He could have had many more, but then again, is it reasonable to expect him to be getting 30, 35, 40 goals just to get us competitive? The supporting cast simply do nowhere near enough and I fear once we are more reliant on them next season, it will lead to serious trouble at the bottom. You also take Elliott away, who in a brief cameo played a superb pass after some lovely footwork, a player who sets up goals, and it doesnt leave much with Dack a long way from fitness.

Rothwell again caught the eye trying to run at defenders, but again, there is nothing at the end of it. Near the start, he beat one and two easily, then just ran into someone. His first shot sliced horribly wide, his second blazed over, his third dragged wide, not even giving the goalkeeper anything to do. Brereton at times looked bright, but again, his first shot sliced horribly wide, and a really good chance in the second half, just no composure at all to even get it anywhere near, thats why he cant play as a 9. Gallagher meanwhile was invisible.

Travis was the biggest positive for me, back to his best. Johnson was average, Bell was as good as I can ever remember, he still allowed his winger in behind too often but he just seemed far less laid back, he had more purpose both ways, this shouldnt trick us into giving him another year but credit where its due, much better. Nyambe started off shaky but improved and helped to stop a goal after they had gotten in behind Bell, and Kaminski spilled it in his own box. Kaminski also had big question marks over the goal, not his best day at the office. Lenihan occasionally rash but fine, Harwood Bellis has been really good and I think I would like him back although I suppose even with him we still concede goals.

[darrenrover]

There is no desire, no will, plan or aim to be successful.

No acceptance of what is clear to all, of what is not good enough.

No heads down in embarrassment at the appalling record of results in 2021.

No heart or pride beating beneath the famous blue and white halves or the Lancashire Red Rose.

We cannot permit this to continue, surely?

Its not what Blackburn Rovers FC or indeed football in general, is all about.

There just has to be change in every respect, it’s a joke if only it were funny.

I don’t really care whether we win or not (well I do but it’s not the be all and end all)...I just want a club that we can all be proud of again and get behind, win, lose or draw.

Edited May 1, 2021 by darrenrover

[bluebruce]

10 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mowbray’s interview - zzzzzzzzzz - Holtby is leaving.

That's reasonable news. Holtby has talent, but his consistency and availability have been serious drawbacks, and I doubt he has been cheap. It was a gamble worth taking but it hasn't really paid off.

The bad news about that is that he was left out of the squad altogether because he is leaving.

Which means the following players are probably being offered new deals:

Johnson, Bell (did well today tbf), Evans, Bennett.

[Bigdoggsteel]

15 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Another game in which we were simply not good enough in attacking positions, whilst defensively, in the main we were fine but we often look ok yet seldom keep clean sheets, we always tend to concede one.

Again the focus is on Armstrong who was foiled twice by their keeper with one on ones that he shouldnt have given the keeper a chance with, following an excellent goal all of his own making. I dont think his biggest problem is necessarily greed/selfishness, I think that theory really bubbled up after that solitary game v Bristol City, I think his pace and anticipation make him probably better than any striker in the division at being in positions to get good chances, none of todays are ones that he should have passed, his issue which may prevent him from being a Premier League player is that he is not ruthless enough by any means, give him 3 one on ones and he will likely put one away, give Pukki or Toney the same amount and they may put 2 away.

The problem I have is whilst in isolation, the criticism of Armstrongs misses are very valid, you have to take a step back and say that a 25 goal striker in reality should walk our player of the season award, 100%. He could have had many more, but then again, is it reasonable to expect him to be getting 30, 35, 40 goals just to get us competitive? The supporting cast simply do nowhere near enough and I fear once we are more reliant on them next season, it will lead to serious trouble at the bottom. You also take Elliott away, who in a brief cameo played a superb pass after some lovely footwork, a player who sets up goals, and it doesnt leave much with Dack a long way from fitness.

Rothwell again caught the eye trying to run at defenders, but again, there is nothing at the end of it. Near the start, he beat one and two easily, then just ran into someone. His first shot sliced horribly wide, his second blazed over, his third dragged wide, not even giving the goalkeeper anything to do. Brereton at times looked bright, but again, his first shot sliced horribly wide, and a really good chance in the second half, just no composure at all to even get it anywhere near, thats why he cant play as a 9. Gallagher meanwhile was invisible.

Travis was the biggest positive for me, back to his best. Johnson was average, Bell was as good as I can ever remember, he still allowed his winger in behind too often but he just seemed far less laid back, he had more purpose both ways, this shouldnt trick us into giving him another year but credit where its due, much better. Nyambe started off shaky but improved and helped to stop a goal after they had gotten in behind Bell, and Kaminski spilled it in his own box. Kaminski also had big question marks over the goal, not his best day at the office. Lenihan occasionally rash but fine, Harwood Bellis has been really good and I think I would like him back although I suppose even with him we still concede goals.

Just shows with Bell. Bursting a gut now that he is looking for a deal. Seen it with players many times. I bet if he got a deal he would revert to type immediately. 

I have such a feeling that Brereton is going to revert too when crowds return. That's taking into account that I find him frustrating as is. Lacks end product,but signs are positive that he is improving so let's see. Hope I'm wrong about the crowds 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Just shows with Bell. Bursting a gut now that he is looking for a deal. Seen it with players many times. I bet if he got a deal he would revert to type immediately. 

I have such a feeling that Brereton is going to revert too when crowds return. That's taking into account that I find him frustrating as is. Lacks end product,but signs are positive that he is improving so let's see. Hope I'm wrong about the crowds 

With Brereton, the commentators said that he has had a "good season" on 6 goals which I felt was more a representation on what they are comparing it against. He has never got a hard time from the fans although if he can not hack playing in front of them then he has no role for us at all going forward. I do think that he seems to have bulked up a bit and matured but in front of goal he is terrible, totally lacking in any sort of composure and striking instinct. He is one of a number who just isnt good enough with his end product as you say.

[LDRover]

4 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Just shows with Bell. Bursting a gut now that he is looking for a deal. Seen it with players many times. I bet of he got a deal he would revert to type immediately. 

I have such a feeling that Brereton is going to revert too when crowds return. That's taking into account that I find him frustrating as is. Lacks end product,but signs are positive that he is improving so let's see. Hope I'm wrong about the crowds 

Crowds returning?

You will be if Mowbray is still in charge.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

With Brereton, the commentators said that he has had a "good season" on 6 goals which I felt was more a representation on what they are comparing it against. He has never got a hard time from the fans although if he can not hack playing in front of them then he has no role for us at all going forward. I do think that he seems to have bulked up a bit and matured but in front of goal he is terrible, totally lacking in any sort of composure and striking instinct. He is one of a number who just isnt good enough with his end product as you say.

It's his shooting in the box. Compare and contrast with Jordan Rhodes, for example. For a professional he really loves a poorly struck pea shooter shot. 

[BigBar]

3 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Just shows with Bell. Bursting a gut now that he is looking for a deal. Seen it with players many times. I bet if he got a deal he would revert to type immediately. 

I have such a feeling that Brereton is going to revert too when crowds return. That's taking into account that I find him frustrating as is. Lacks end product,but signs are positive that he is improving so let's see. Hope I'm wrong about the crowds 

I oddly don't dislike Bell as most do. If he was on cheapish wages I wouldn't mind giving him a new deal. Must stress purely as back up.

 

BB is a strange one, I think if he gets a positive reaction when the crowds are back it could drive him on. I was one of his biggest critics but think he has shown some promise and id love to see him flourish. Time will tell. Frustrating.

[BigBar]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

It's his shooting in the box. Compare and contrast with Jordan Rhodes, for example. For a professional he really loves a poorly struck pea shooter shot. 

Don't think I have seen worse. Scuffs every shot, even the rare ones that go in. Bizarre.

[The Mighty Chaffinch]

For me, after the play off dream disappeared post Christmas, the only thing I cared about was finishing above Preston. When we beat them 3-0 at their place we demonstrated how superior we should be to them...we then forged a good number of points ahead of them by Christmas. The comparison with PNE is the most apt in terms of Mowbray’s inadequacies. We have superior players (I wouldn’t swap many of their first teamers for ours), we have spent significantly more money and we are still a bigger name when it comes to attracting players. Regardless of these things, they have had a series of managers who have (mostly) got more out of them than the sum of their parts. Mowbray has done the opposite with us, even in league one where most weeks we toiled in beating clearly inferior opposition. Yes we have had injuries this season but by and large we have been able to field a team full of experience, potential and expense (Gallagher, Brereton etc). Whenever we achieve the illusion of a team ethic (PNE away) it is quickly removed by needless tinkering, players being sidelined for little reason and of course, the inexcusable playing of players out of position. These things must affect morale and prevent fluency and consistency of performance. We have seen glimpses of what we are capable of, we have a 26 goal top scorer and a very good goal difference...we rarely if ever get thrashed...but the basics don’t add up. Summer might bring a few decent arrivals, another draft of exciting prospects loaned from above but sadly, with Mowbray at the helm, Groundhog Day will be all we are served. Look at Barnsley, Luton even!!! How can such a limited squad finish above us? The answer is simple. Good management. Tactical awareness. Instilling confidence in players consistently. Our players match our cyclical team form...a few great performances followed by nothing (see Rothwell, Brereton, Holtby and even Armstrong). There is so much more I could rant about but I’m losing the will to care. Get him out and get him out now. 

[G Somerset Rover]

I’ve just remembered he started Johnson today despite giving him last weekend off to go cycling. If Holtby is being released (who I would let go too), then so bloody Johnson better be too. Why on earth play him today after completely dropping him from the squad last week? More bizarre Mowbray logic.

[tomphil]

10 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I’ve just remembered he started Johnson today despite giving him last weekend off to go cycling. If Holtby is being released (who I would let go too), then so bloody Johnson better be too. Why on earth play him today after completely dropping him from the squad last week? More bizarre Mowbray logic.

It's classic Mowbray and just shows the holiday camp he's running here.

[Fraserkirky]

33 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I’ve just remembered he started Johnson today despite giving him last weekend off to go cycling. If Holtby is being released (who I would let go too), then so bloody Johnson better be too. Why on earth play him today after completely dropping him from the squad last week? More bizarre Mowbray logic.

And he was dreadful today, like he usually is. Good in the air for a Centre midfielder and that is his only redeeming quality.

[Roverinbelfast]

Today's performance just summed up our season perfectly. Played some decent football but we lack organisation and that ruthless streak to see games out. We will always give the opposition a goal. Even poor teams like Rotherham. 

I'm clinging on to the hope that TM will do the the right thing and walk as soon as the season is over. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I’ve just remembered he started Johnson today despite giving him last weekend off to go cycling. If Holtby is being released (who I would let go too), then so bloody Johnson better be too. Why on earth play him today after completely dropping him from the squad last week? More bizarre Mowbray logic.

He's a clown. He could come out next week and saying he isn't playing X or y player because they are out of contract. No logic or planning to it.

I reckon he has told some of them that as soon as he gets the greenlight to continue, he will get them new deals. 

 

 

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I’ve just remembered he started Johnson today despite giving him last weekend off to go cycling. If Holtby is being released (who I would let go too), then so bloody Johnson better be too. Why on earth play him today after completely dropping him from the squad last week? More bizarre Mowbray logic.

Gave Johnson the weekend off to go cycling?

I probably wouldn't ask during the reign of any other manager we have ever had, but...you are joking, right?