Steve Waggott

[toogs]

25 minutes ago, tomphil said:

i'm not a fan of stadium naming rights but i'm told Bolton have got 3 million for their latest Breezebloc deal

Yes, the “Toughsheet Stadium” 😂

and they’ve just signed a player called Gerald Sithole. You couldnt make it up. 

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, toogs said:

Yes, the “Toughsheet Stadium” 😂

and they’ve just signed a player called Gerald Sithole. You couldnt make it up. 

To be fair you'd want more than 3 million for brassing yourselves off to that 😆

[RoversClitheroe]

7 hours ago, philipl said:

Problem of a rock

Rovers are in a tiny impoverished town surrounded by other clubs and 3 of the 7 biggest brands in global football within 35 miles of Ewood.

And hard place

Rovers are perennially at the FFP ceiling requiring revenue to be raised to be able to increase the budget.

So Waggott has to optimise income to create budget more than a case of Pune being short on funds for the club.

Which means any drop in prices HAS to be compensated by a larger than offsetting increase in gate size.

We probably need 26,000 on against Reading to make a permanent low ticket price a serious proposition. 

Not impossible. We had 26,000 on against Oxford in League One.

Average attendance was 26,000 less than 20 years ago.

They had the chance when Brereton was never ever renewing his contract.

Could have sold him for £10m covering losses. 

[roversfan99]

27 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

They had the chance when Brereton was never ever renewing his contract.

Could have sold him for £10m covering losses. 

That comes down to our negligent owners for doing what they did regarding Rothwell and wouldnt sell. Makes most of what happens around that seem like small fry in relative terms.

[philipl]

I don't believe it is negligence.

At Christmas last year, we were 2nd were we not?

At Christmas this year, we were in play-off contention.

The ownership backed management by not selling Rothwell to the club we were scrapping for an automatic promotion slot last season and have backed management again by not taking 7m or 8m (the actual offers made) for Ben when he could yet come good again and fire us back into the Prem.

I believe the issue is FFP, not the Venky's being parsimonious.

 

[roversfan99]

The 2 are linked. Before considering FFP, that £12m+ would only be seen as an act of ambition if it wasn't considered that at least some of that money is to be reinvested in the playing squad, which some of it should. And FFP is constantly trotted up as a reason/excuse for no more reinvestment, therefore even if sales arent considered out of ambition and as an aside to available funds, it isnt as simple as that anyway when we need to at least be self sustainable enough to come under FFP guidelines. 

The manager at any time (or director of football, whatever) should have the autonomy to make decisions regarding player sales. 

[booth]

Didn't someone say they put a block on a new pitch? And those costs don't contribute to FFP?

That may point to whether they are being parsimonious or not, if true.

[roversfan99]

Yeah, it was in the minutes from a fans forum. They had decided not to fund a planned total pitch revamp that hadnt been done in 30 years.

[RoversClitheroe]

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Yeah, it was in the minutes from a fans forum. They had decided not to fund a planned total pitch revamp that hadnt been done in 30 years.

Didn't someone who has links to the club have Waggot say to him and convince him the pitch would be fully weaved this season? 

[arbitro]

4 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Didn't someone who has links to the club have Waggot say to him and convince him the pitch would be fully weaved this season? 

I understand they will be getting £750k from the PL for allowing the Rovers Ladies to play their home games on it. That won't cover the cost of a new pitch so they are 'stitching' some parts of it. If it's true these owners aren't spending on it again despite any financial outlay not impacting on P&S. That is the very same owners who apparently never refuse to sign a cheque.

[rigger]

3 hours ago, arbitro said:

I understand they will be getting £750k from the PL for allowing the Rovers Ladies to play their home games on it. That won't cover the cost of a new pitch so they are 'stitching' some parts of it. If it's true these owners aren't spending on it again despite any financial outlay not impacting on P&S. That is the very same owners who apparently never refuse to sign a cheque.

If the owners are not asked, they will not refuse. And the salaries will keep flowing.

[arbitro]

26 minutes ago, rigger said:

If the owners are not asked, they will not refuse. And the salaries will keep flowing.

Then why was the new £2m pitch that Waggott went public with (so they sanctioned the spend) pulled?

[rigger]

6 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Then why was the new £2m pitch that Waggott went public with (so they sanctioned the spend) pulled?

That's if you believe what Waggot said. Personally I don't believe a word he says.

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, rigger said:

That's if you believe what Waggot said. Personally I don't believe a word he says.

He is on the record as saying that. Even an idiot wouldn't go public and essentially fabricate a story.

[rigger]

3 minutes ago, arbitro said:

He is on the record as saying that. Even an idiot wouldn't go public and essentially fabricate a story.

An idiot maybe not. On the other hand a scheming snake might. 

[RoversClitheroe]

So..... Is he going to take accountability? 

Is he going to lose his job? Surely.

Any normal ran org would be getting rid.

Edited March 8, 2023 by RoversClitheroe

[Ben-2000]

On 05/03/2023 at 09:57, tomphil said:

Sponsorship is an obvious way to increase ways to bring in a serious amount to a club that has always and will always have trouble increasing gate revenue.

We had for instance a large local company sponsoring a stand once over, i'm not a fan of stadium naming rights but i'm told Bolton have got 3 million for their latest Breezebloc deal. 

Often we've been told the owners have more than enough spare cash for Rovers but getting it into the club is difficult because of FFP.  Could they not set up another or use one of their multitude of companies to sponsor a stand and stick in another million to offset a radical serious push to increase crowds ?

How serious are they about that ?  Because when it's left to Waggot and co all they are bothered about is hitting their own targets to justify their own position and probably a bonus. They probably see no need to invite extra pressure onto themselves by thinking out of the box when their brass is guaranteed just for hitting or nearly hitting a specific  £ number.

Venkys is already plastered all over the top of the Riverside (where previous sponsor names were placed). Have they sponsored it already but just not announced it perhaps?

Certainly don't think we should begin to sell our soul by re-naming the stadium after some 2 bit company.

[tomphil]

10 minutes ago, Ben-2000 said:

Venkys is already plastered all over the top of the Riverside (where previous sponsor names were placed). Have they sponsored it already but just not announced it perhaps?

Certainly don't think we should begin to sell our soul by re-naming the stadium after some 2 bit company.

Yeah maybe they already have in the accounts if not in public.

[Sweaty Gussets]

Considering the financial pain he is inflicting on Rovers fans by way of ST prices, it's a wonder more pressure isn't put on him by the various fan groups we have. 

Could an open letter not be published questioning the pricing policy?

And where is our glorious leader?

[Mattyblue]

The Trust have tried on a few occasions to be fair to them, but it usually falls on deaf ears, but yes it would be good to hear them on this…

Whereas the FF, well I imagine half of them on there actually agree with him and it’s our shit fans to blame. I’ll never forget the time when they were actually advising him how to get away with ripping supporters off - they told him to call the match day surcharge (remember that, another Swag piss take) a ‘pre-match day discount’ instead, as if you bought your ticket before match day you’d get it at the standard price.

Edited May 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[wilsdenrover]

27 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

The Trust have tried on a few occasions to be fair to them, but it usually falls on deaf ears, but yes it would be good to hear them on this…

Whereas the FF, well I imagine half of them on there actually agree with him and it’s our shit fans to blame. I’ll never forget the time when they were actually advising him how to get away with ripping supporters off - they told him to call the match day surcharge (remember that, another Swag piss take) a ‘pre-match day discount’ instead, as if you bought your ticket before match day you’d get it at the standard price.

A wolf in sheep’s clothing?

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

The Trust have tried on a few occasions to be fair to them, but it usually falls on deaf ears, but yes it would be good to hear them on this…

Whereas the FF, well I imagine half of them on there actually agree with him and it’s our shit fans to blame. I’ll never forget the time when they were actually advising him how to get away with ripping supporters off - they told him to call the match day surcharge (remember that, another Swag piss take) a ‘pre-match day discount’ instead, as if you bought your ticket before match day you’d get it at the standard price.

Dear god, no wonder he feels comfortable hiking prices out of the reach of some fans. 

[roversfan99]

Was that the same meeting that a fan wanted us to give up Brockhall and move closer to Ewood to train?

[Mattyblue]

Anyone would think it was a group that was actually there to move the club *towards* disastrous decisions…

Edited May 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

The Trust have tried on a few occasions to be fair to them, but it usually falls on deaf ears, but yes it would be good to hear them on this…

Whereas the FF, well I imagine half of them on there actually agree with him and it’s our shit fans to blame. I’ll never forget the time when they were actually advising him how to get away with ripping supporters off - they told him to call the match day surcharge (remember that, another Swag piss take) a ‘pre-match day discount’ instead, as if you bought your ticket before match day you’d get it at the standard price.

That's disgusting.

It sounds like the FF is mostly made up of venkys boot lickers.

What's in it for them? They're the football equivalent of the vichy french. Absolutely pathetic.