England

[ABBEY]

8 hours ago, had.e.nuff said:

just watched the penalty shoot out why do keepers not risk standing still they would have stopped at least 3 of the pens

Penalty shootout? turned it over at FT , why was there a shootout?

[roverandout]

20 minutes ago, ABBEY said:

Penalty shootout? turned it over at FT , why was there a shootout?

Euro play off

[K-Hod]

As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

[ABBEY]

9 hours ago, roverandout said:

Euro play off

Haha stuff the sheep shaggers.

I won't forget their celebrations 

Edited March 27, 2024 by ABBEY

[Blow-in]

5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

It's the same or worse for any international team. France are considered one of the best teams in the world but a lot of their first team would not get near the England first 11.

If England don't win Euros then Southgate should not even be considered for a PL job.

[speeeeeeedie]

5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

Hard to disagree on the drop off. Yet what team aside from maybe France (excluding Mbappe) could you say that for?

Last night was essentially it for Southgate. His next games are tournament warm-ups. He will already know 80%+ of his squad, now he has to wait and hope that all the players he wants stay fit.

9 of his 11 is set; Pickford, Walker, Stones, Maguire (yes, he'll play if fit), Rice, Bellingham, Saka, Foden, Kane. He needs to decide on a midfield partner for Rice, and a left back.

Of Southgate's usuals Grealish, Shaw, Trippier, Alexander-Arnold, Pope, and James are injured. Potential new boy Colwill is too. I assume if they are all fit come end of May they'll be in the squad. 

Toney, Rashford, Watkins will be in the squad as will Chilwell and Gallagher.

Phillips, Sterling, and probably Henderson are gone.

[Upside Down]

5 hours ago, Blow-in said:

It's the same or worse for any international team. France are considered one of the best teams in the world but a lot of their first team would not get near the England first 11.

If England don't win Euros then Southgate should not even be considered for a PL job.

I think he should be given the red scum job. Hopefully he'll get them relegated.

[roverandout]

On 27/03/2024 at 08:03, K-Hod said:

As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

Probably defensively but attack wise we are stacked

[K-Hod]

49 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Probably defensively but attack wise we are stacked

Maybe, but not at centre forward. There’s a huge drop off in quality from Kane to Toney and Watkins (and I rate them both, tbf).

[superniko]

On 27/03/2024 at 14:06, speeeeeeedie said:

Hard to disagree on the drop off. Yet what team aside from maybe France (excluding Mbappe) could you say that for?

Last night was essentially it for Southgate. His next games are tournament warm-ups. He will already know 80%+ of his squad, now he has to wait and hope that all the players he wants stay fit.

9 of his 11 is set; Pickford, Walker, Stones, Maguire (yes, he'll play if fit), Rice, Bellingham, Saka, Foden, Kane. He needs to decide on a midfield partner for Rice, and a left back.

Of Southgate's usuals Grealish, Shaw, Trippier, Alexander-Arnold, Pope, and James are injured. Potential new boy Colwill is too. I assume if they are all fit come end of May they'll be in the squad. 

Toney, Rashford, Watkins will be in the squad as will Chilwell and Gallagher.

Phillips, Sterling, and probably Henderson are gone.

Yeah, providing all are fit, there is about 6 or 7 of the 23 spots up for grabs, 16 nailed on if fit.

3rd choice keeper who will get 0 minutes

2 x CBs who will get 0 minutes (Branthwaite, Colwill, Guehi, Konsa, Gomez, Tomori, maybe Chilwell)

1 x CM between Gallagher and Henderson

3 x Attacker who may get a handful of minutes in final group match (Watkins, Toney, Bowen, Gordon, Palmer, Grealish)

 

Pickford, Ramsdale, GK3

Walker, Trent, Shaw, Trippier, Maguire, Stones, CB1, CB2

Rice, Mainoo, Bellingham, Maddison, CM1

Kane, Saka, Foden, Rashford FW1, FW2, FW3

Maybe he opts for another Defender or Midfielder instead of the final Attacker, given Trent will be CM or nothing.

 

Agree with the 11 (or 9) you listed too, providing all are fit, slow in Shaw LB and Trent alongside Rice and we have no excuses to not win the whole thing

Edited March 28, 2024 by superniko

[roverandout]

3 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Maybe, but not at centre forward. There’s a huge drop off in quality from Kane to Toney and Watkins (and I rate them both, tbf).

Tbf France for example have a huge drop off in quality compared to giroud. Muani and thuram don't look top quality.  Obviously they have mbappe but he's more of a wide forward.  They really would struggle without him 

Edited March 28, 2024 by roverandout

[RoverDom]

The way Bellingham plays and talks is like someone whose been playing for 15 years. Still only 20, he will be a big big player for England

[chaddyrovers]

Tuchel picks his first squad in the coming weeks and I'm interest who he will pick and not. 

Who will he pick has his number 1? 

Will Lewis Hall be pick in the squad and start in the first game at left back? 

What formation will we play and style of play? 

[roverandout]

I'd definitely pick Wharton. Lewis-skelly too. Foden I'd leave out. He's not playing well enough.  Also too soon for nwaneri 

[roversfan99]

I suspect that a number of players will pull out to save themselves for the remainder of the club season.

We will beat Albania and Latvia regardless so it doesnt matter either way.

Hall is injured.

[chaddyrovers]

Would be very surprised if players pull out given its his first game

[roversfan99]

Ones who will be key players either way and/or ones with slight knocks that would play in an important game but could do with a rest might.

Its a frustrating pause for all just as the season gets onto the home straight.

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its a frustrating pause for all just as the season gets onto the home straight.

something we actually agree on 👏 😂

[speeeeeeedie]

It's being talked about in the Adam Wharton thread but here is the full England Squad for the upcoming World Cup qualifiers; 

Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Southampton), James Trafford (Burnley) 

Defenders: Dan Burn (Newcastle United), Levi Colwill (Chelsea), Marc Guéhi (Crystal Palace), Reece James (Chelsea), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Myles Lewis-Skelly (Arsenal), Tino Livramento (Newcastle United), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool), Kyle Walker (AC Milan, loan from Manchester City) 

Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Jordan Henderson (Ajax), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa) 

Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham United), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle United), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Marcus Rashford (Aston Villa, loan from Manchester United), Dominic Solanke (Tottenham Hotspur)

As always there will be debates.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I see that Hirst lad who we had on loan has elected to join Scotland.

[RoverDom]

The refuge for those who want to play international football but aren't quite good enough. Should just rename it England B team and be done with it. 

[roverandout]

Their forward options are pretty pitiful 

[Gav]

I don't like this German already, what a load of cobblers:

In an interview with ITV Sport, Tuchel said England were missing "the identity, the clarity, the rhythm, the repetition of patterns, the freedom of players, the expression of players, the hunger" to win Euro 2024.

 

[K-Hod]

4 minutes ago, Gav said:

I don't like this German already, what a load of cobblers:

In an interview with ITV Sport, Tuchel said England were missing "the identity, the clarity, the rhythm, the repetition of patterns, the freedom of players, the expression of players, the hunger" to win Euro 2024.

 

I don't really care what he says, it's what he does.

He's been hired to win a tournament and that's what he needs to do.

To use your own words: 'nothing else matters'.

[speeeeeeedie]

4 hours ago, Gav said:

I don't like this German already, what a load of cobblers:

In an interview with ITV Sport, Tuchel said England were missing "the identity, the clarity, the rhythm, the repetition of patterns, the freedom of players, the expression of players, the hunger" to win Euro 2024.

 

What are you mad at? He's right. I watched the games. England were woeful the whole tournament apart from 20 minutes against the Dutch. 

4 hours ago, K-Hod said:

I don't really care what he says, it's what he does.

He's been hired to win a tournament and that's what he needs to do.

To use your own words: 'nothing else matters'.

Agreed. Nothing else does. Tuchel has the tactical nous everyone pilloried Southgate for, let's give him a chance.