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8 hours ago, had.e.nuff said:

just watched the penalty shoot out why do keepers not risk standing still they would have stopped at least 3 of the pens

Penalty shootout? turned it over at FT , why was there a shootout?

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As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

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5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

It's the same or worse for any international team. France are considered one of the best teams in the world but a lot of their first team would not get near the England first 11.

If England don't win Euros then Southgate should not even be considered for a PL job.

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5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

Hard to disagree on the drop off. Yet what team aside from maybe France (excluding Mbappe) could you say that for?

Last night was essentially it for Southgate. His next games are tournament warm-ups. He will already know 80%+ of his squad, now he has to wait and hope that all the players he wants stay fit.

9 of his 11 is set; Pickford, Walker, Stones, Maguire (yes, he'll play if fit), Rice, Bellingham, Saka, Foden, Kane. He needs to decide on a midfield partner for Rice, and a left back.

Of Southgate's usuals Grealish, Shaw, Trippier, Alexander-Arnold, Pope, and James are injured. Potential new boy Colwill is too. I assume if they are all fit come end of May they'll be in the squad. 

Toney, Rashford, Watkins will be in the squad as will Chilwell and Gallagher.

Phillips, Sterling, and probably Henderson are gone.

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5 hours ago, Blow-in said:

It's the same or worse for any international team. France are considered one of the best teams in the world but a lot of their first team would not get near the England first 11.

If England don't win Euros then Southgate should not even be considered for a PL job.

I think he should be given the red scum job. Hopefully he'll get them relegated.

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On 27/03/2024 at 08:03, K-Hod said:

As ever with England, if you go beyond our strongest XI, there is a drop off in quality.

I’d back our strongest team to give anyone a game, just there are some players we really cannot do without.

Probably defensively but attack wise we are stacked

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49 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Probably defensively but attack wise we are stacked

Maybe, but not at centre forward. There’s a huge drop off in quality from Kane to Toney and Watkins (and I rate them both, tbf).

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On 27/03/2024 at 14:06, speeeeeeedie said:

Hard to disagree on the drop off. Yet what team aside from maybe France (excluding Mbappe) could you say that for?

Last night was essentially it for Southgate. His next games are tournament warm-ups. He will already know 80%+ of his squad, now he has to wait and hope that all the players he wants stay fit.

9 of his 11 is set; Pickford, Walker, Stones, Maguire (yes, he'll play if fit), Rice, Bellingham, Saka, Foden, Kane. He needs to decide on a midfield partner for Rice, and a left back.

Of Southgate's usuals Grealish, Shaw, Trippier, Alexander-Arnold, Pope, and James are injured. Potential new boy Colwill is too. I assume if they are all fit come end of May they'll be in the squad. 

Toney, Rashford, Watkins will be in the squad as will Chilwell and Gallagher.

Phillips, Sterling, and probably Henderson are gone.

Yeah, providing all are fit, there is about 6 or 7 of the 23 spots up for grabs, 16 nailed on if fit.

3rd choice keeper who will get 0 minutes

2 x CBs who will get 0 minutes (Branthwaite, Colwill, Guehi, Konsa, Gomez, Tomori, maybe Chilwell)

1 x CM between Gallagher and Henderson

3 x Attacker who may get a handful of minutes in final group match (Watkins, Toney, Bowen, Gordon, Palmer, Grealish)

 

Pickford, Ramsdale, GK3

Walker, Trent, Shaw, Trippier, Maguire, Stones, CB1, CB2

Rice, Mainoo, Bellingham, Maddison, CM1

Kane, Saka, Foden, Rashford FW1, FW2, FW3

Maybe he opts for another Defender or Midfielder instead of the final Attacker, given Trent will be CM or nothing.

 

Agree with the 11 (or 9) you listed too, providing all are fit, slow in Shaw LB and Trent alongside Rice and we have no excuses to not win the whole thing

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3 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Maybe, but not at centre forward. There’s a huge drop off in quality from Kane to Toney and Watkins (and I rate them both, tbf).

Tbf France for example have a huge drop off in quality compared to giroud. Muani and thuram don't look top quality.  Obviously they have mbappe but he's more of a wide forward.  They really would struggle without him 

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