Could the fans save the club without ownership?

[rigger]

16 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

It also proved the fan base us still there it just requires the lighting of touch paper to get them back in on a regular basis

At the moment, that touch-paper is the soggiest it has ever been.

 

[Herbie6590]

21 hours ago, Gav said:

I have to take exception with this Herbie with the greatest of respect.

Gordon Lee in 1975, Howard Kendal in 1980, fantastic seasons for the club and its supporters.

The promotion from league one under Mowbray seems to be frowned upon on here rather than celebrated, thats not right, we are hardly blessed with promotions over the past 50yrs, lets not chalk them off as somehow below us.

The Oxford game with 28,000 fans on Ewood was just brilliant, I never thought I'd see those numbers again, just superb for me.

Hi Gav - I’m not looking down on the Mowbray promotion at all, if it came across that way it wasn’t intended. That season rekindled my failing relationship with Rovers specifically & football generally & I loved it, as I did 1975 & 1980.

The point I was trying to make (& seemingly failing..🤦‍♂️) is that since 1995/2002 there is a whole generation for whom that promotion season is the high watermark & after enjoying a season of victories, a drab season finishing 15th is poor fare by comparison.

Josh made the point higher up that we have a swathe of fans who enjoy beating Oldham in L1 more than struggling against say Middlesbrough in the Championship - I think that’s true. Watching a winning side is hugely enjoyable.

[J*B]

5 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

Hi Gav - I’m not looking down on the Mowbray promotion at all, if it came across that way it wasn’t intended. That season rekindled my failing relationship with Rovers specifically & football generally & I loved it, as I did 1975 & 1980.

The point I was trying to make (& seemingly failing..🤦‍♂️) is that since 1995/2002 there is a whole generation for whom that promotion season is the high watermark & after enjoying a season of victories, a drab season finishing 15th is poor fare by comparison.

Josh made the point higher up that we have a swathe of fans who enjoy beating Oldham in L1 more than struggling against say Middlesbrough in the Championship - I think that’s true. Watching a winning side is hugely enjoyable.

I’ll talk down Mowbrays promotion - he finished second in the league with the highest budget ever seen by a margin. We should have stomped that league and would have won it if he didn’t play the reserves against Charlton for seemingly no reason. 

[Gav]

On 08/09/2021 at 23:37, J*B said:

I’ll talk down Mowbrays promotion - he finished second in the league with the highest budget ever seen by a margin. We should have stomped that league and would have won it if he didn’t play the reserves against Charlton for seemingly no reason. 

If only football was a simple as that J*B?

Kenny had the biggest budget ever for a 2nd division club and just about sneaked into the playoffs in 6th place, nobody complained (Actually my dad did) and the rest is history. Derby and Wolves both had massive financial backing back then too and never reached the heights we did, which just goes to show money guarantees nothing in football, but in todays game its certainly more of a factor than back then.

Some good debate on here but only 2 pages so far, that tells its own story sadly.....

[47er]

2 hours ago, Gav said:

If only football was a simple as that J*B?

Kenny had the biggest budget ever for a 2nd division club and just about sneaked into the playoffs in 6th place, nobody complained (Actually my dad did) and the rest is history. Derby and Wolves both had massive financial backing back then too and never reached the heights we did, which just goes to show money guarantees nothing in football, but in todays game its certainly more of a factor than back then.

Some good debate on here but only 2 pages so far, that tells its own story sadly.....

You certainly can throw money away in football Gav but you can't do much without it.

[Gav]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58604851

As another founder member of the football league looks like having a very uncertain future due to mismanagement by foreign owners, its about time the football authorities did something to protect clubs against these shysters that pollute the game.

Its only a matter of time until we suffer the same fate in my opinion and whilst this thread has died a death over the past few weeks, I hope the fans are ready to step up, or this once great football club could find itself in serious trouble, none of which is of our making.....

 

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by Gav

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58604851

As another founder member of the football league looks like having a very uncertain future due to mismanagement by foreign owners, its about time the football authorities did something to protect clubs against these shysters that pollute the game.

Its only a matter of time until we suffer the same fate in my opinion and whilst this thread has died a death over the past few weeks, I hope the fans are ready to step up, or this once great football club could find itself in serious trouble, none of which is of our making.....

 

 

Derby have been brought down by a British owner, not foreigners. It's a story of excessive spending, "creative" accounting in the misguided belief that this will be successful in evading FFP rules, and high turnover of managers. It astonishes me that some people on here advocate that we follow the same approach at Rovers.

[47er]

32 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Derby have been brought down by a British owner, not foreigners. It's a story of excessive spending, "creative" accounting in the misguided belief that this will be successful in evading FFP rules, and high turnover of managers. It astonishes me that some people on here advocate that we follow the same approach at Rovers.

I've not read anyone suggest we break FFP rules and have a high turnover of managers.However I have read many complaints about signing crocks, paying $12M for 2 strikers who can't lead the line, paying to borrow youngsters who keep our own youngsters out, hanging on to a manager who clearly isn't taking us up and putting prices up beyond local ability to pay.

All complaints on the basis that these actions were wasting precious money, reducing our support and threatening to take us nearer to administration.

[StubbsUK]

Well this is timely from Andy Watson on Twitter

 

Of the clubs in the Championship, only 2 have seen an increase in attendance since the 18/19 season, and they're the ones that have just been relegated. Rovers have the 3rd largest drop in match day attendance.

I know they come across as incompetent but by not attending we're giving the management (off the field and indirectly on the field) very little wriggle room to even try and make things work. I'm pretty sure Waggott will be thinking that even if he's not saying it.

edit: just to clarify, I’m not suggesting fan absence is what is making the off the field management look bad, but this is the internet in 2021 and someone will make that leap and be very upset that that is what they think I think.

Edited September 18, 2021 by StubbsUK

[Gav]

3 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Derby have been brought down by a British owner, not foreigners. It's a story of excessive spending, "creative" accounting in the misguided belief that this will be successful in evading FFP rules, and high turnover of managers. It astonishes me that some people on here advocate that we follow the same approach at Rovers.

The club was in the hands of an American sports group from 2008 - 2015 MP, many Derby fans blame them for the current predicament. 

Foreign owners are circling to try and pick the bones out of the current nightmare they find themselves in. Bin Zayed International, fronted by Dubai-based Abu Dhabi royal Sheikh Khaled bin Zayed Al Nehayan, agreed to purchase Derby but the deal was never actually completed.

Likewise with Spanish businessman Erik Alonso, who looked set to become the Rams' new owner earlier this year, but again the club was not sold.

Successful foreign ownership is rare, we are testament to that. 

[tomphil]

4 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Derby have been brought down by a British owner, not foreigners. It's a story of excessive spending, "creative" accounting in the misguided belief that this will be successful in evading FFP rules, and high turnover of managers. It astonishes me that some people on here advocate that we follow the same approach at Rovers.

We've had ONE manager in 5 years there are clubs who've had more who are no worse off than us it's just part and parcel of championship football.

You could also mention we were heading into falling foul of FFP anyway and without the cash injection of the Armstrong sale who knows what else.  I'd stake my last quid on Derby bouncing back and passing us in the next few years should we carry on going around in circles with this old boys club.