Premier League season 21/22

[davulsukur]

55 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Do you think we can realistic afford him?

We could afford anyone if we really wanted them.

Historically Venkys always go for the cheap, crap option when it comes to managers. So zero chance they would make a seriously ambitious move.

Edited February 27, 2022 by davulsukur

[chaddyrovers]

43 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

We could afford anyone if we really wanted them.

Historically Venkys always go for the cheap, crap option when it comes to managers. So zero chance they would make a seriously ambitious move.

Bielsa wages demands are well out of our price range in my opinion and I think he will go back to South America now. 

[roversfan99]

Norwich are gone, nowhere near enough quality and Watford are battling uphill really despite a credible draw yesterday and the appointment of Hodgson who has kept teams up before.

Assuming there is one place left, I can see Burnley potentially and annoyingly surviving, I think they have the best manager of all the teams and with Weghorst joining Cornet, they now have goals in their team.

Everton could be in big danger. Lampard was a strange appointment with 2 average jobs on his CV (but a big name as a player and a reputation as a media darling) and he was very lucky to get a big transfer budget to be able to demand that Dele Alli was brought in. He seems a busted flush and a waste of money and cant even get in the team.

Leeds are also in trouble and I can see Brentford getting really dragged into it. Newcastle will be fine.

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Everton could be in big danger. Lampard was a strange appointment with 2 average jobs on his CV (but a big name as a player and a reputation as a media darling) and he was very lucky to get a big transfer budget to be able to demand that Dele Alli was brought in. He seems a busted flush and a waste of money and cant even get in the team.

Given how good Everton played yesterday and how they played I don't see them in Danger. Lampard is the right fit the club and Everton Chairman Bill Kenwright was listened to by their owner instead of appointing another waste of money. 

Big transfer budget? Wasn't Dele Ali a free transfer to Everton from Spurs? 

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Norwich are gone, nowhere near enough quality

They looked gone but it will interesting what Transfer businesses they do this summer. 

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Watford are battling uphill really despite a credible draw yesterday and the appointment of Hodgson who has kept teams up before.

Watford have to play Everton, Leeds United, Brentford and Burnley at home in the fixtures to be played. 

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Leeds are also in trouble and I can see Brentford getting really dragged into it.

Leeds are massive trouble and it will be interesting who they appoint. 

Brentford are dropping now. They are in mix already

[roversfan99]

26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Given how good Everton played yesterday and how they played I don't see them in Danger. Lampard is the right fit the club and Everton Chairman Bill Kenwright was listened to by their owner instead of appointing another waste of money. 

Big transfer budget? Wasn't Dele Ali a free transfer to Everton from Spurs? 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/30778/12529778/dele-alli-everton-sign-spurs-midfielder-permanently-in-a-deal-that-could-cost-40m#:~:text=Get Sky Sports-,Dele Alli%3A Everton sign Spurs midfielder permanently in a,that could cost £40m&text=Dele Alli has joined Everton permanently from Tottenham on Deadline,stalling career at Goodison Park.

An incentivised deal rising to 40m if certain criteria is met.

I don't get why Lampard is the "right fit" based on anything in particular, nor do I have any idea how you can be sure that he will not become a "waste of money" himself.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

An incentivised deal rising to 40m if certain criteria is met.

But no transfer fee was paid. But the deal is based on add ons. 

 

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I don't get why Lampard is the "right fit" based on anything in particular, nor do I have any idea how you can be sure that he will not become a "waste of money" himself.

Understand the Premier League, did a very good job at Chelsea(yes Tuchel has took then to another level granted), Bring through young players. The players are playing for him like yesterday shown. 

Look at mistakes that have happened there under that owners. Alot of players bought in by different managers but most of the money wasted. 

Now in my opinion they have manager who will improve those players there and get them challenging for Europe 

[roversfan99]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

But no transfer fee was paid. But the deal is based on add ons. 

 

Understand the Premier League, did a very good job at Chelsea(yes Tuchel has took then to another level granted), Bring through young players. The players are playing for him like yesterday shown. 

Look at mistakes that have happened there under that owners. Alot of players bought in by different managers but most of the money wasted. 

Now in my opinion they have manager who will improve those players there and get them challenging for Europe 

You say understands the Prem, now this is the main thing that I dispute for a few reasons:

- Is the Premier League a totally different concept to management in other leagues?

- Does this definition of an "understanding" include his playing career or just his management career? If it is just management, one and a half years in the Premier League wouldn't make him stand out as an experienced manager who "understands" the league. If it includes him playing in the league 10-20 years ago, what relevance does that have to his management

In my book, the job he did at Chelsea was ok, unremarkable, certainly not "very good." This was on the back of getting the job purely on his playing career following an average spell managing Derby.

I am not saying that he is going to be a failure or indeed a success at Everton. I just can't fathom why you seem so sure that he is such a good appointment as the "right fit." I wonder if you have followed the media narrative that is based on him being an excellent player in his day and seemingly also a nice enough bloke who has other older family members that have made names for themselves on the media circuit. His opening 4 league games have led to 3 losses and 1 win which is an unremarkable start. He is a new manager, I am sure that they are "playing for him" but that becomes a subjective irrelevance until it results in them picking up points.

[chaddyrovers]

15 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You say understands the Prem, now this is the main thing that I dispute for a few reasons:

- Is the Premier League a totally different concept to management in other leagues?

- Does this definition of an "understanding" include his playing career or just his management career? If it is just management, one and a half years in the Premier League wouldn't make him stand out as an experienced manager who "understands" the league. If it includes him playing in the league 10-20 years ago, what relevance does that have to his management

Both playing and management. I think being a winner as Lampard was during his time as player stand for alot and will attract better quality players. 

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

In my book, the job he did at Chelsea was ok, unremarkable, certainly not "very good."

really? Given the squad overhaul he did and bring through players like Mount, James. Got them champions league during when the club have transfer embargo. 

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I am not saying that he is going to be a failure or indeed a success at Everton. I just can't fathom why you seem so sure that he is such a good appointment as the "right fit."

So will Lampard be a success at Everton? Not sure what you have against Lampard but just look at what Everton fans are saying, What want on behind the scenes and how Kenwright was convince Lampard was convince. 

Who would you have appoint there in that situation then? 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

His opening 4 league games have led to 3 losses and 1 win which is an unremarkable start. He is a new manager, I am sure that they are "playing for him" but that becomes a subjective irrelevance until it results in them picking up points.

After yesterday performance can you say they aren't playing for him? 

Also he was harsh but honest after the performance of his players at Southampton. 

[roversfan99]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Both playing and management. I think being a winner as Lampard was during his time as player stand for alot and will attract better quality players. 

really? Given the squad overhaul he did and bring through players like Mount, James. Got them champions league during when the club have transfer embargo. 

So will Lampard be a success at Everton? Not sure what you have against Lampard but just look at what Everton fans are saying, What want on behind the scenes and how Kenwright was convince Lampard was convince. 

Who would you have appoint there in that situation then? 

After yesterday performance can you say they aren't playing for him? 

Also he was harsh but honest after the performance of his players at Southampton. 

I don't know whether he will be a success or a failure. A managers playing career does not mean that he will be any more suitable as a manager, so I dismiss that point for one.

If questioning from a neutral position a manager with 2 average jobs on his CV is me having something "against Lampard" then deary me. I don't have the depth of knowledge regarding mangers especially across Europe to be in a position to suggest anyone else, I am judging solely on Lampard that I am unconvinced that he warranted such a job based on his CV.

I never said that anyone isn't playing for him. He is a big name (as a player) who has just joined so I have no doubt that they are trying their hardest. Ultimately that means diddly squad (nor does what he says in interviews after defeats) until he starts picking up enough points. 

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I don't have the depth of knowledge regarding mangers especially across Europe to be in a position to suggest anyone else, 

why does a manager have to come from Europe? 

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I never said that anyone isn't playing for him. He is a big name (as a player) who has just joined so I have no doubt that they are trying their hardest. Ultimately that means diddly squad (nor does what he says in interviews after defeats) until he starts picking up enough points. 

more than happy to say now that will stay up under Lampard. Not sure they would have done under Benitez. 

[roversfan99]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

why does a manager have to come from Europe? 

more than happy to say now that will stay up under Lampard. Not sure they would have done under Benitez. 

I didn't say that he did. I just think that without having that knowledge, that I don't feel in a position to recommend anyone. I am sure that either from England or abroad, that there are better managers with better CV's available somewhere, compared to Lampard and his average CV.

I don't think that they will go down either way. 

[Mattyblue]

Why does being a ‘winner’ as player make you a good manager?

[DeeCee]

Lampard has got something to prove. He was a winner as a player, like SG and WR. Pretty sure he's still got that mentality, speaking of which I believe he's got Mensa level IQ? Whether that makes a difference or not?

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I didn't say that he did. I just think that without having that knowledge, that I don't feel in a position to recommend anyone. I am sure that either from England or abroad, that there are better managers with better CV's available somewhere, compared to Lampard and his average CV.

You say with better CV's than Frank Lampard but don't name anyone tho. 

I am Everton supporting friend who was very happy with the appointment of Frank Lampard and didn't want Vitor Pereira who was interviewed but didn't get the job. 

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I don't think that they will go down either way.

Then Frank Lampard has achieve this season target and then can rebuild and move the club forward. I think they have got a better squad than their current positions.  

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

You say with better CV's than Frank Lampard but don't name anyone tho. 

I am Everton supporting friend who was very happy with the appointment of Frank Lampard and didn't want Vitor Pereira who was interviewed but didn't get the job. 

Then Frank Lampard has achieve this season target and then can rebuild and move the club forward. I think they have got a better squad than their current positions.  

Apologies. I dont have a complete knowledge of managers across the world therefore I shouldnt have suggested not even that Lampard is a poor choice, which i didnt say, but that I remain unconvinced on how you can be so certain of Lampard's suitabiity for the Everton job following 2 very average managerial jobs.

To be fair, I dont have an Everton supporting friend with an expert opinion on the work of Vitor Pereira so my opinion wouldnt be as valid anyway.

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Apologies. I dont have a complete knowledge of managers across the world therefore I shouldnt have suggested not even that Lampard is a poor choice, which i didnt say, but that I remain unconvinced on how you can be so certain of Lampard's suitabiity for the Everton job following 2 very average managerial jobs.

To be fair, I dont have an Everton supporting friend with an expert opinion on the work of Vitor Pereira so my opinion wouldnt be as valid anyway.

does Vitor Pereria have a better CV then Lampard? Pereria managed Porto some 10 years ago then a few jobs in Europe and China. Hardly a world class CV is it? 

Cos I don't think Lampard did very average at Chelsea as I said several times to you. 

We will see in future seasons how good and success Lampard will be there at Everton.  

[Mattyblue]

In what way is 4th and then sacked the following January with them 9th, not very average for Chelsea?

[Nuttall is lost]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Leeds sacked Bielsa and his replacement to be named tomorrow 

Ray Harford?

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Nuttall is lost said:

Ray Harford?

Supposedly it will be ex Red Bull Leipzig and Salzburg head coach Jesse Marsch  

[Nuttall is lost]

Cliches you always hear from pundits when they are touting a replacement for a vacancy:

 

For example Leeds:

''I fink David Wetherall would go in there and do a  job Jeff.  He knows the club and what the fans want.''

[Nuttall is lost]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Supposedly it will be ex Red Bull Leipzig and Salzburg head coach Jesse Marsch  

They should have got Jesse James.  They'll go down but they'll go down fighting.

[Mattyblue]

2 minutes ago, Nuttall is lost said:

Cliches you always hear from pundits when they are touting a replacement for a vacancy:

 

For example Leeds:

''I fink David Wetherall would go in there and do a  job Jeff.  He knows the club and what the fans want.''

😅 Steady on now, that’s exactly the qualification the Chadster looks for in a manager…

[bazza]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Do you think we can realistic afford him?

Chaddy, we can realistically afford to pay anyone to manage the Rovers; even Bielsa.

8 minutes ago, Nuttall is lost said:

They should have got Jesse James.  They'll go down but they'll go down fighting.

Then some cowardly bastard will shoot him in the back when he's not looking. Right?

 

[Nuttall is lost]

1 hour ago, bazza said:

Chaddy, we can realistically afford to pay anyone to manage the Rovers; even Bielsa.

Then some cowardly bastard will shoot him in the back when he's not looking. Right?

 

Probably one of our strikers wayward shots