January Transfer window 2022

[Leonard Venkhater]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Have to echo that. He was absolute shite!

Hopefully "3 Club rule!".

Well, a second stint worked for Gallagher 😀

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Well, a second stint worked for Gallagher 😀

What, made him even worse? 

🤔

[Leonard Venkhater]

21 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What, made him even worse? 

🤔

Got to be honest. I never wanted him back...

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Got to be honest. I never wanted him back...

Me neither.

 

[SuperBrfc]

Not enthused by the prospect of Watt coming back. I remember him looking like a nippy attacker back then without really doing much. I think he was something different compared to the shocking options we had at the time, but surely we can do better now with the position we are in.

[tomphil]

Hes wanted to come back ever since he left i think but he'd find a very different set up now i'd hope.

Bit of a maverick and an ale can allegedly so not really a Mowbray kind of guy if true.  Other side of the coin he seemed a handy player and there's nothing wrong with the odd character or two.

[skous18]

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers linked with Tony Watt

Blackburn Rovers amongst clubs chasing Motherwell striker Tony Watt (msn.com)

The guy couldn’t cut it in Bulgaria which says it all really. He was literally not good enough for the Bulgarian standards and thats where we got our Greek Keeper from (And he was btw killing it there). Tony also had some attitude issues if I remember correctly. If we end up signing him, I will be shocked 

[47er]

7 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

It's four in the morning, the end of December...

My favourite Leonard song!!

[47er]

Get £20M for Diaz and expend £1M on Twatt! Classic Venkys!

[JHRover]

So less than a week after a fantastic performance and win at Bournemouth to bring the top 2 into sight, cement a top 6 spot heading into Xmas and with the rest of the league starting to take notice we've had:

 - Mowbray heading to Talkshite to confirm Venkys might sell Brereton in January because they've had a tough time with covid (not mentioning the £16 million they found to transfer the training ground and the £15 million we got for Armstrong not long ago)

 - Still no progress on the expiring contracts of key players

 - Bizarre rumour of Gallagher set to sign a short term extension despite him being one of the highest paid players at the club making a mockery of claims we can't afford to keep the others. Suggests to me Rovers know they've dropped clangers on the others and are now desperately trying to avoid the same fate with Gallagher as with the others.

 - Transfer 'links' to Hedges and Tony Watt

 

Exciting stuff.

[tomphil]

Nobody think it's a coincidence the training ground was valued right about the same as the Armstrong transfer ?

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, tomphil said:

Nobody think it's a coincidence the training ground was valued right about the same as the Armstrong transfer ?

40% of the Armstrong's transfer money went to Newcastle as part of the original transfer deal who we agreed 40% sell on clause

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, JHRover said:

Bizarre rumour of Gallagher set to sign a short term extension despite him being one of the highest paid players at the club making a mockery of claims we can't afford to keep the others. Suggests to me Rovers know they've dropped clangers on the others and are now desperately trying to avoid the same fate with Gallagher as with the others.

Why bizarre given that he has 18 months left is the right time to start discussing a new contract but you seem forgotten or want to but we started Rothwell and Nyambe contracts talks about 12/15 months ago. 

8 hours ago, JHRover said:

Still no progress on the expiring contracts of key players

You been told why no progress has happen but you won't accept the reasons why

[BigUts]

41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

40% of the Armstrong's transfer money went to Newcastle as part of the original transfer deal who we agreed 40% sell on clause

I think it was probably a reasonable thing to do. We paid a lot less then what they wanted and the kicker was a 40% sell on fee. I can imagine a lot of our signings are similar in make-up due to the lack of funds we have available for outright fees (and yes, I know transfer fees are amortised)

[JBiz]

8 hours ago, JHRover said:

So less than a week after a fantastic performance and win at Bournemouth to bring the top 2 into sight, cement a top 6 spot heading into Xmas and with the rest of the league starting to take notice we've had:

 - Mowbray heading to Talkshite to confirm Venkys might sell Brereton in January because they've had a tough time with covid (not mentioning the £16 million they found to transfer the training ground and the £15 million we got for Armstrong not long ago)

 - Still no progress on the expiring contracts of key players

 - Bizarre rumour of Gallagher set to sign a short term extension despite him being one of the highest paid players at the club making a mockery of claims we can't afford to keep the others. Suggests to me Rovers know they've dropped clangers on the others and are now desperately trying to avoid the same fate with Gallagher as with the others.

 - Transfer 'links' to Hedges and Tony Watt

 

Exciting stuff.

1. You’ve never taken Nixon or tabloid links seriously. Why start now?

2. You know about FFP but you’ll ignore it despite countless examples and discussions on our finance. 

3. You know, if Diaz had signed a new deal twelve months ago you’d say the same about that (what you said about SG deal)

4. I know you’re articulate and clever enough to understand it’s easy to extend a contract on wage they’re already happy with, than agree a new one with a boost.

5. We know that you’ve got lofty expectations, but there is absolutely loads to be excited about when you simply consider the last 3 months. Squad, players developing, tactics working, goals, points, and momentum.

Merry Christmas JHR

 

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why bizarre given that he has 18 months left is the right time to start discussing a new contract but you seem forgotten or want to but we started Rothwell and Nyambe contracts talks about 12/15 months ago. 

You been told why no progress has happen but you won't accept the reasons why

No I won't accept it.

I won't accept selling our training ground supposedly to comply with FFP rules due to losing £20 million a year and yet at the same time losing our prized academy developed players for nothing to other Championship clubs.

Because that is what is going to happen unless something changes fast - these people like Rothwell, Lenihan and Nyambe won't be getting PL moves. They will be joining the likes of Middlesbrough, Huddersfield, Sheff Utd or Stoke. I won't accept that.

It is bizarre that suddenly at this point we are (supposedly - will believe it when it is confirmed) on the cusp of getting Gallagher to commit. Why is it bizarre? Because he is already one of (maybe the) biggest earner at the club and we are under much less pressure time wise to get him signed up.

I'm not opposed to giving him an extension to protect our investment but I'd like that to follow much more urgent and valuable deals for those leaving in 5 months time.

I suspect (if it is true) that Rovers and Waggott know what a clanger they have dropped with the others, doing nothing until it was too late and are now taking steps to try and avoid such a scenario unfolding with the last remaining investment in Gallagher. Now that Armstrong has gone (cash disappeared) and Brereton soon goes (cash will disappear) there''s only Gallagher left of the 3 'big' buys they made. They'll be looking to recoup his fee and then start the cycle again.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, JBiz said:

1. You’ve never taken Nixon or tabloid links seriously. Why start now?

2. You know about FFP but you’ll ignore it despite countless examples and discussions on our finance. 

3. You know, if Diaz had signed a new deal twelve months ago you’d say the same about that (what you said about SG deal)

4. I know you’re articulate and clever enough to understand it’s easy to extend a contract on wage they’re already happy with, than agree a new one with a boost.

5. We know that you’ve got lofty expectations, but there is absolutely loads to be excited about when you simply consider the last 3 months. Squad, players developing, tactics working, goals, points, and momentum.

Merry Christmas JHR

 

1. Which Nixon or tabloid links have I started taking seriously? The thing I read was a direct quote from Mowbray on Talkshite. If that was an incorrect quote then I apologise

2. I know all about FFP. I also know that you can still renew contracts under FFP and most other clubs at this level have been busy doing that. Discussions on here don't necessarily amount to fact on that front. Also ignores the elephant in the room which is the best way to avoid FFP trouble is to sell good players under long term contracts for good fees. We won't be able to do that due to our contract situation. That awkward fact gets overlooked in discussions which focus on our 'wage structure' because it sounds good when Waggott prattles on about it in Fan Forum meetings.

3. I'm absolutely delighted with how things are going on the pitch at the moment and hats off to Mowbray for turning what was looking like a dangerous situation into a potentially very exciting one. It is clear that for all his flaws he has got most or all of the players working their socks off for him.

That doesn't mean I can't be concerned for what the future holds and look forward beyond our current excellent run. Nothing would hurt more than seeing this good young side dismantled and head off to mediocre rivals because we haven't got our house in order.

The prospect of losing some of these players to Championship rivals who have nothing going for them that we don't is a scary one and I really struggle to accept that given the money these owners have put in and the losses racked up along with the sale of Armstrong - there really should be scope in all that to be able to retain our good young players and protect the club. I don't accept it can't be done and strongly believe that this is nothing to do with FFP but is because the owners have decided they've had enough spending for the time being. No amount of slideshows and spreadsheets will change my opinion there and I think Mowbray has suggested that the issue is in India with his comments about the owners 'struggling' with the pandemic.

 

Merry Christmas JBIz

Edited December 17, 2021 by JHRover

[JBiz]

Money doesn’t disappear

It gets spent on wages.

For every £1 the club earns in revenue, such as tickets, tv deal etc;

It spends nearly £2 on wages.

Why is this so hard to understand? 

[JBiz]

@JHRover the nixon link is/was Watt I think.

The Benson one was LT.

Both ultimately tabloid links, not worth taking seriously.

I would be gutted too, losing the likes of Lenihan, Nyambe and Rothwell for nothing.

Coincidentally- the best way to convince them to stay if we can’t offer the wages they’re after= promotion.

Edited December 17, 2021 by JBiz

[tomphil]

I think that when/if  BB departs there'll be another change in style of play in order to try and get the best out of Gallagher.  The mission will be to turn him into a profit yielding player, that's a tall order but you never know.

[MarkBRFC]

4 minutes ago, tomphil said:

I think that when/if  BB departs there'll be another change in style of play in order to try and get the best out of Gallagher.  The mission will be to turn him into a profit yielding player, that's a tall order but you never know.

Which could work, if he discovers a Bolivian uncle in the meantime.

[47er]

19 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

It's four in the morning, the end of December...

and thanks for the blinkers

you took from Ben's eyes

I thought they were there for good

so I never tried!

[lraC]

12 hours ago, 47er said:

Get £20M for Diaz and expend £1M on Twatt! Classic Venkys!

That's a lot of money for a pussy cat.

[JHRover]

18 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Money doesn’t disappear

It gets spent on wages.

For every £1 the club earns in revenue, such as tickets, tv deal etc;

It spends nearly £2 on wages.

Why is this so hard to understand? 

Those are pandemic figures aren't they? In normal times we are not spending double our income on wages. How does that compare to other Championship clubs? Well I think you would struggle to find many spending less than 100% of income on wages. So that doesn't really explain how others can afford to renew contracts whereas we can't.

That also ignores the absolutely massive wage savings made last summer - Bennett, Downing, Bell, Evans, Williams, Mulgrew, THB, Elliott, Trybull, Holtby, Armstrong - how much a week you reckon saved there alone? Pushing £100,000 a week would be my estimate. Anyone else in this league achieved such wage savings recently?

This is all very important.. because the figures often produced for wages are out of date. Add to that the pandemic impact which everyone else has had to deal with along with the Armstrong cash boost and I really am struggling to comprehend it.

We are supposed to believe that they were offering Armstrong a substantial wage rise to try and keep him here. Still don't understand why they couldn't use that money and his wage savings to split between these others to keep them.

[chaddyrovers]

54 minutes ago, JHRover said:

No I won't accept it.

I won't accept selling our training ground supposedly to comply with FFP rules due to losing £20 million a year and yet at the same time losing our prized academy developed players for nothing to other Championship clubs.

Because that is what is going to happen unless something changes fast - these people like Rothwell, Lenihan and Nyambe won't be getting PL moves. They will be joining the likes of Middlesbrough, Huddersfield, Sheff Utd or Stoke. I won't accept that.

Bur they haven't left yet and if they won't accept our improve contracts deals then that's their choice and risk. 

Selling the Training ground got us to apply and with the FFP Rules but as per usual you want to head in the sand again. 

57 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Its is bizarre that suddenly at this point we are (supposedly - will believe it when it is confirmed) on the cusp of getting Gallagher to commit. Why is it bizarre? Because he is already one of (maybe the) biggest earner at the club and we are under much less pressure time wise to get him signed up.

It isn't a bizarre as you would enter contract talks with most players when they 18 months left on their contracts. 

35 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I also know that you can still renew contracts under FFP and most other clubs at this level have been busy doing that

Yes you can renew contracts but ONLY for the same weekly wages. 

9 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Those are pandemic figures aren't they? In normal times we are not spending double our income on wages

 In the second season in the Championship we were spending 189% on wages compare to our turnover