January Transfer window 2022

[1864roverite]

I am still surprised with the thought from some that we can’t afford Nyambe😅 he has been offered a significant and appropriate salary that he so far declined to sign What's clear is that Rovers are sticking to their structure and indeed as it stands he is not at the level to warrant being amongst the top earners at the club 

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

indeed as it stands he is not at the level to warrant being amongst the top earners at the club 

Disagree strongly.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Disagree strongly.

what wages do you think he is worth ad should be offering? 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

what wages do you think he is worth ad should be offering? 

Is Nyambe any less crucial to the success of the side than anyone else?

What's the going rate for a top Championship player these days?

He surely has to be worth at least £15-18k p.w. if not a bit more.

If all 3 are asking for substantially more than that, then I can see that that is where problems might arise.

[Sparks Rover]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Is Nyambe any less crucial to the success of the side than anyone else?

What's the going rate for a top Championship player these days?

He surely has to be worth at least £15-18k p.w. if not a bit more.

If all 3 are asking for substantially more than that, then I can see that that is where problems might arise.

The trouble is, with BBD, JR, and RN all going to have significant pay rises if they stay, the Venkys are going to have to put their hands in their pockets in the next couple of weeks....

They'll need to find another 3m per year to keep them all

[Ulrich]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

what wages do you think he is worth ad should be offering? 

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Is Nyambe any less crucial to the success of the side than anyone else?

What's the going rate for a top Championship player these days?

He surely has to be worth at least £15-18k p.w. if not a bit more.

If all 3 are asking for substantially more than that, then I can see that that is where problems might arise.

I would suggest Ayala, Dack and Gallagher are on roughly 16 to 18k p.w. and our top earners so I suggest a week between 10 to 12k a p.w. is more than reasonable and double his current wages imo

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Is Nyambe any less crucial to the success of the side than anyone else?

What's the going rate for a top Championship player these days?

He surely has to be worth at least £15-18k p.w. if not a bit more.

If all 3 are asking for substantially more than that, then I can see that that is where problems might arise.

My problem with Nyambe, is the recurring hamstring injurys he seems to suffer from. I think he is a stand-in, right wing-back, until JRC is fully fit, or we sign a first team right wing-back.

[Atko's Engine]

We must try our damndest to get Lenihan, Rothwell & Nyambe all signed up long term, if necessary with non-promotion or modest buy out clauses effective from summer onwards; failing that, reject all offers & keep them here until the summer to try to finish the job. Same with BBD & Kaminski, though that's less urgent & probably harder to achieve, esp in BBD's case.

To be fair, none of them seem unhappy; quite the opposite in fact. Hopefully the common unity & desire not to spoil it for the rest of the squad will carry some weight in their decision-making.

Cancel Poveda's loan (with some reluctance) and Clarkson too (I can't see he has a role to play this season). 

Spend decent money on a RB / RWB to challenge RN; no need to break the bank, but I'm sure there's a right-sided Pickering out there.

I genuinely don't think we need too much more; we have decent cover almost everywhere, somewhat unexpectedly. January is never the best time to buy, and we don't want to risk undoing the harmony in the squad by signing a well-known player that likely comes with an ego.

[Ulrich]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I would suggest Ayala, Dack and Gallagher are on roughly 16 to 18k p.w. and our top earners so I suggest a week between 10 to 12k a p.w. is more than reasonable and double his current wages imo

Nyambe has contributed more than those three to our promotion push and for me is ahead of Ayala and Gallagher. Obviously not in front of a on form dack but he's been sidelined for 2years. I can understand him and the others wanting the same as Ayala and Gally.

[Officer Barbrady]

I am very anxious about this upcoming window. The best scenario of course is all our top players stay and we get one or two in to help build our depth and strengthen us for a promotion push. But then I start stressing that Venky's will just take the pay day and sell BBD and totally derail the best season we have had in forever.

Interesting to see what next month brings, but I am just trying to enjoy us right now.

[RevidgeBlue]

20 minutes ago, rigger said:

My problem with Nyambe, is the recurring hamstring injurys he seems to suffer from. I think he is a stand-in, right wing-back, until JRC is fully fit, or we sign a first team right wing-back.

JRC when fit isn't remotely in Nyambe's class imo. I'm astounded anyone thinks he is.

[CambridgeRover]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

JRC when fit isn't remotely in Nyambe's class imo. I'm astounded anyone thinks he is.

I 100% agree with this. I have no idea where the JRC is a better wing back / full back than Nyambe comes from. Sure Nyambe suffers from occasional tweaks but last season he played 36 games and this season 18 games from 23. Even when JRC is fully fit, which is rare, he is not shown anywhere near the defensive ability of Nyambe. I can't believe it when I see people saying we can replace Nyambe for £500k, he is one of the best fullbacks in the league. 

Edited December 19, 2021 by CambridgeRover

[RevidgeBlue]

33 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

They'll need to find another 3m per year to keep them all

How much would it cost to replace them with similar quality?

Even if we could find three quality players on a free I doubt they'd be playing for nothing. Then there'd be agent's fees etc etc......

 

[rigger]

15 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

JRC when fit isn't remotely in Nyambe's class imo. I'm astounded anyone thinks he is.

 

13 minutes ago, CambridgeRover said:

I 100% agree with this. I have no idea where the JRC is a better wing back / full back than Nyambe comes from. Sure Nyambe suffers from occasional tweaks but last season he played 36 games and this season 18 games from 23. Even when JRC is fully fit, which is rare, he is not shown anywhere near the defensive ability of Nyambe. I can't believe it when I see people saying we can replace Nyambe for £500k, he is one of the best fullbacks in the league. 

In my opinion, of the two, Nyambe is the best full-back and JRC is the best wing-back. As it seems we are going to play with a back three and wing-backs I would put JRC ahead of Nyambe. I would prefer for us to sign a new wing-back.

[Sparks Rover]

19 minutes ago, rigger said:

 

In my opinion, of the two, Nyambe is the best full-back and JRC is the best wing-back. As it seems we are going to play with a back three and wing-backs I would put JRC ahead of Nyambe. I would prefer for us to sign a new wing-back.

Sorry mate, the lad hasn't even got the right build.  He's not fit enough or quick enough to play wing back.  He'll be lucky to get anywhere near our first team, if he replaces nyambe then it's  a massive downgrade 

[yankfan]

1 hour ago, Ulrich said:

Nyambe has contributed more than those three to our promotion push and for me is ahead of Ayala and Gallagher. Obviously not in front of a on form dack but he's been sidelined for 2years. I can understand him and the others wanting the same as Ayala and Gally.

If I were any one of those three I’d expect to earn more than Gally. He just reupped and was reported making 13k p.w. on his old contract. I can’t imagine giving him a raise as he’s below average championship striker. In any even, all three lads descend to make more than Gally and id argue substantially more. 

[yankfan]

10 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Sorry mate, the lad hasn't even got the right build.  He's not fit enough or quick enough to play wing back.  He'll be lucky to get anywhere near our first team, if he replaces nyambe then it's  a massive downgrade 

Who is the JRC fella?  I can vaguely remember someone by that name playing a few matches years ago.  
 

Personally I believe relying on him is unacceptable until he can prove his body can hold up 

[47er]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Disagree strongly.

to put it mildly!

[47er]

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

They'll need to find another 3m per year to keep them all

but not if we got promoted!

[47er]

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I am still surprised with the thought from some that we can’t afford Nyambe😅 he has been offered a significant and appropriate salary that he so far declined to sign What's clear is that Rovers are sticking to their structure and indeed as it stands he is not at the level to warrant being amongst the top earners at the club 

What is this "significant and appropriate salary" then?

Unless 1)you actually know and 2) you tell us, your post has no value.

[Spartakfenni]

4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Butterworth is never an 8 in a million years. What’s all this comparison with Rothwell? He’s a 10 or false 9. Buckley will take Rothwells position next to Trav eventually.

Dack and Butterworth to fight out the false 9

Paul were you one of those that said Diaz was not worth £7m? Butterworth has had a couple of years out with serious injuries. Give him the chance he can cut it. Don’t write him off after a handful of sub appearances.

[Sparks Rover]

21 minutes ago, 47er said:

but not if we got promoted!

But, we have to commit in January to all three....shit or bust as my dad used to say.

[Miller11]

2 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I am still surprised with the thought from some that we can’t afford Nyambe😅 he has been offered a significant and appropriate salary that he so far declined to sign What's clear is that Rovers are sticking to their structure and indeed as it stands he is not at the level to warrant being amongst the top earners at the club 

That’s funny, because Steve Waggott told me the following:

”It’s not all about the money with Ryan. There are other factors - his academy in Namibia is very important to him.”

This was a few weeks ago, and things may have changed, but it doesn’t support the narrative he is either greedy or unrealistic.

Besides that, people need to stop thinking of “wage structure” in such simple terms - it’s not just a one size fits all wage cap. One of the issues that has long been reported is that academy graduates get a raw deal compared to players we sign from elsewhere. Their wages are bound by a fairly rigid structure; each contract they sign is capped at an increasing amount. 

Nyambe has only played about 40 games less than Lenihan, but is 3 and a half years younger. Same age as Trav, but 60% more career appearances. He’s also younger than Harry Chapman, and has been paid less than Chapman over the course of their contracts.

So Nyambe is likely hitting his fourth pro contract, and is currently in the same pay bracket as Wharton, who is a couple of months older. Our famed structure brackets Nyambe as an academy graduate rather than a full international with 170 first team appearances to his name. It’s not about breaking the structure, but being pragmatic with its application.

[riverholmes]

If Nyambe gets injured early against Hull, Mowbray will possibly sub him off for Bradley Johnson and John Buckley will switch to right wing back. (Dolan and Butterworth are the other possibilities, depending who's on the bench, to come on). As well as Buckley has done there in cameos recently and Johnson has come on regularly as a sub, since the Fulham debacle, that should be concentrating minds in the Rovers management and board.

It's not that we necessarily need (or can fit in) a new specialist back up right back on the bench but, in my opinion, Bradley Johnson as the team's back up midfielder needs improvement. Either one of the other fringe midfielders are given chances to step up or we try and sign someone who can provide that physical strength and offer more mobility and versatility.

And, I know it's a controversial and speculative suggestion but I think, if there's a player at the club that might be able to play the No.10, aside from Buckley and until Dack is fit, it's forgotten man, Harry Chapman. I appreciate that I might well be way off and he's done little at Burton, apparently, this season but it's just a hunch I have. In my world, he'd come back to the team and get a last hurrah but chances are slim. 

There is some vague precedent, as, those fans who remember the 2000/01 promotion winning season with Souness, will remember that Keith Gillespie was out-of-favour and sent on a disappointing loan down the leagues to Wigan. He came back and, unexpectedly, earned favour and was part of the promotion winning squad.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by riverholmes