v Hull City (a) - 19/1/22

[Jimmy612]

2 minutes ago, booth said:

Wouldn’t they also be down to ten men?

Isn't the double jeopardy rule in place to avoid straight red cards for penalties? Of course excluding zero attempt to get the ball i.e. Shirt pull etc 

[jim mk2]

We've had a superb and unexpected run to get to where we are but I do get the feeling we're in a false position and that it only takes a few players missing like tonight or a run of sub-par performances and the wheels will quickly fall off. A very tough run of games are coming and a Tony death spiral would see us probably struggling to stay in the top 6 at the end of them

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, booth said:

Wouldn’t they also be down to ten men?

Wouldn't have said that was a red card personally, probably a pen but if it was the other way round I'd no doubt  be arguing that BB should have been stronger and it was shoulder to shoulder.

I'd be really annoyed if a red card were shown as well, he hadn't even set himself to take a shot.

[jim mk2]

7 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

We were poor, I said that. We weren't as poor as is made out, and Hull were also poor.

I thought overall we were awful while Hull were tenacious, fought for every cause and could easily have won by more

[DE.]

Just now, tomphil said:

I think deep down we all know we've been over achieving a bit and like i mentioned the other day a lot of our success has been down to to sheer hard graft. The intensity has dropped off and opposition sides have upped theirs, they are prepared now. That's why imo with what is still at his disposal the manager has to do a bit better with what hes got in these situations. Still to eager to please the likes of Gallagher and Ayala instead of coming up with something a little bit cuter.

Having said that even a performance like that tonight if key men are performing we get something going off whats happened this season. That's before we start on the either abysmal or corrupt officials or the early bad goal conceded. 

Need to get back on the bike v boro and it would be no surprise to see another poor performance but doing enough to win. If the tinkering has started though it'll be a painful slippery slope for sure.

No doubt we've been riding a crazy wave of momentum with a largely settled side high on confidence. Now that our momentum has dissipated, forced changes are being made to the starting line up and confidence is dropping we'll see how capable we really are of sustaining a realistic promotion push. It's the kind of period teams who get promoted find a way to push through, until some stability and confidence returns again. 

We may not have the depth or the quality, ultimately, but it's been a fun ride and I desperately hope it doesn't end with a death spiral. That would be pretty crushing after the past few months. 

[jim mk2]

4 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

That’s a myth. He’s diabolical everywhere he plays and always has been.

Maybe, maybe not. But he played well tonight and gave Gallagher a lesson in how to lead a front line and scored a good header

[garnersfags]

4 minutes ago, bigbrandjohn said:

So banana skin it was. Don’t be too harsh on Gallagher folks, I think he will be the target man in Brereton’s absence with Khadra and Markanday on the wings. 

I think Gally is copping so much stick because he's the only one in our 1st 14 that I can't make a case for being in the starting 11.

Yes, he may start our next 10 games, but history tells us that will result in mid-table form, at best.

It's not his fault, it's just TMs blind spot, we all have one. Sam Gallagher has had 4 or 5 good games (total) in 4 or 5 seasons (scoring a good goal doesn't mean you have had a good game). 

The rest of the 1st 14 or 15, with the possible exception of Edun, have fully contributed to our run since the Fulham game...

[Jimmy612]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

We've had a superb and unexpected run to get to where we are but I do get the feeling we're in a false position and that it only takes a few players missing like tonight or a run of sub-par performances and the wheels will quickly fall off. A very tough run of games are coming and a Tony death spiral would see us probably struggling to stay in the top 6 at the end of them

I've felt like this all season but this group have a knack of proving us wrong!  They deserve our support for an unbelievable season so far and Ewood should be rocking on Monday night. If this is the start of a slump then it won't be for lack of effort or endeavour. 

Just do us all a favour Tony and stick to the shape that's got us where we currently are! 

[G Somerset Rover]

4 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

I thought overall we were awful while Hull were tenacious, fought for every cause and could easily have won by more

That’s the concern for me. Given the debacle a couple of weeks back, our pre match pep talk should have taken care of itself. The lads should have come steaming out the traps to take out their frustrations on them. 

IF we somehow make the play offs then nights like tonight offer me very little hope that we’d have the bottle for the really big occasions. As I keep saying, please prove me wrong, Rovers.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[booth]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Wouldn't have said that was a red card personally, probably a pen but if it was the other way round I'd no doubt  be arguing that BB should have been stronger and it was shoulder to shoulder.

I'd be really annoyed if a red card were shown as well, he hadn't even set himself to take a shot.

Difficult to take a shot when he was in a heap on the floor. The defenders foot didn’t touch the ball.

[Ulrich]

4 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

We've had a superb and unexpected run to get to where we are but I do get the feeling we're in a false position and that it only takes a few players missing like tonight or a run of sub-par performances and the wheels will quickly fall off. A very tough run of games are coming and a Tony death spiral would see us probably struggling to stay in the top 6 at the end of them

I feel this is the case and have been very cautious in becoming to euphoric in regards our run of results since Fulham.  Today was silly and was it riverholmes who said just play davenport in Travis's role and don't change the formation, job done and I agree with those comments.  TM has a track record of poor 2nd halves to the season and whilst I hope this is not the start, it is what I am unfortunatly bracing myself for.  Hopefully Travis is back for Middlesbourgh and TM switches back for that match, meaning SG plays as a 9 and not a RW as he clearly isn't one and never will be. 

[chaddyrovers]

28 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Thank you for doing my job for me! We played with a two man midfield who didn’t have a tackle between them, Chaddy!

but the formation wasn't confusing tho. We pick the wrong player to replace Travis with and choosing Gallagher meant a change of formation

 

[booth]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

Isn't the double jeopardy rule in place to avoid straight red cards for penalties? Of course excluding zero attempt to get the ball i.e. Shirt pull etc 

I’ve no idea but 9 times out of 10 that’s a straight red and a penalty.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

14 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I didn't see it like that at all. 

If we get the penalty and their second is chalked off that still only makes it 1-1. And Hull missed a hatful of clear cut chances 2nd half.

We were shocking and weren't even up for it first half. Yes, the officials made a couple of poor decisions but pretending we lost the game because of the officials is burying your head in the sand.

Hopefully it was just a one off and a bad night at the office but many more performances like that and any promotion hopes will quickly disappear.

And why did they have those chances in the 2nd half ? Possibly because we over committed in a vain attempt to over come the referees ineptitude ?

We played poorly - but the referee fundamentally changed the flow of the match 1-1 and down to 10 men - would Hull have won, or would we be talking about how getting promoted needs playing below par but still winning ?

[chaddyrovers]

27 minutes ago, ossyian said:

Are you being serious Chaddy?

Yes!

[47er]

I can pinpoint exactly where we went wrong tonight--we had 52% possession!

[Ulrich]

3 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

And why did they have those chances in the 2nd half ? Possibly because we over committed in a vain attempt to over come the referees ineptitude ?

We played poorly - but the referee fundamentally changed the flow of the match 1-1 and down to 10 men - would Hull have won, or would we be talking about how getting promoted needs playing below par but still winning ?

If we are to get promoted then we cannot be relying on refs having good games, we need to rely on ourselves and ensure we are always playing well and getting the results we need.  Refs at this level are poor and yes he got a few wrong today but we were equally poor and created our own mess in the 1st half.

[DE.]

Whilst our performance was poor, the referee remains one of if not the biggest factor in tonight's scoreline. It's not often I would pin a result on a set of officials, but for me that decision in the first half is as bad as it gets and changes everything about the match. Allowing the second goal was bad too, but that first terrible decision was a genuine game-changer.

People complain about VAR, but if it existed in the Championship I imagine we'd have had more positive results from it than bad this season.

[booth]

Just now, Ulrich said:

If we are to get promoted then we cannot be relying on refs having good games, we need to rely on ourselves and ensure we are always playing well and getting the results we need.  Refs at this level are poor and yes he got a few wrong today but we were equally poor and created our own mess in the 1st half.

Come on, there’s poor and there’s today’s abysmal officiating. Those decisions would have affected the outcome of most games.

[bluebruce]

19 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

Isn't the double jeopardy rule in place to avoid straight red cards for penalties? Of course excluding zero attempt to get the ball i.e. Shirt pull etc 

What happened to being sent off because you're the last man?

[garnersfags]

Regardless of all the froth around Sky, the Ref, the spineless cheating Hull management, etc., if Davenport or Butterworth (who I still think are the same person) had replaced Travis, we would have got at least a point. 

I'm truly devastated that the predicted hopeful but entirely illogical team tampering has begun. 

We (or should I say some of us) prayed (in vain) that Tony may have learned and understood by now what has and hasn't worked for this squad. This is why there's an overly-sombre mood on here tonight. 

Sorry.

[Jimmy612]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

but the formation wasn't confusing tho. We pick the wrong player to replace Travis with and choosing Gallagher meant a change of formation

 

Yeh, so I think the confusing bit was Mowbray's decision to change a highly successful shape to the complete detriment of our own team, not that nobody could recognise what was going on. 

Game finished almost two hours ago and I'm still absoutely amazed at his decision to play Buckley and Rothwell as holding midfielders. I'd LOVE him to explain that one.

In fact, if Sharpe or any other journo is reading this it should be their first question to TM whenever they get chance. Bollocks to asking about referees and penalties... That just invites platitudes and clichés and detracts from the fact TM got it badlu wrong to start with. 

 

[Fraserkirky]

Where to begin with that farce of a game.

Firstly, really disappointed in Kaminski, if that happens to any other keeper they get up and start steaming into the ref. He didn’t even act like it was a foul. The whole team should have been surrounding the ref. It was easily the worst refereeing decision I’ve ever seen, and there has been competition for that. Breretons was nearly as bad, the lad needs to start staying in his feet and he obviously has a reputation now, watch on replay and it’s a 1000% foul and sending off.

If Bradley Johnson is getting paid to be a professional footballer then there is hope for us all. Absolutely woeful. He can’t run for gods sake and he is playing in a two. Deserve everything we got tonight with decisions like that. Lad needs to hang them up. If Johnson is the answer in any situation then your asking the wrong questions.

Van Hecke looked injured second half or have I just missed that he is that slow?

Khadra, wasteful and a complete non entity second half. Needs to step it up or his career will go even further down the tubes. All he needs is a quick second touch and it’s a goal in the first half.

Brereton was also shocking tonight, perhaps he will come back after international duty a little less Brereton and a little more Diaz

Gallagher, what more can you say. Never a footballer. Touched the ball twice in the game and lost it immediately. Fine him for wages for that. It’s just not acceptable.

Finally, movement. No clever runs, nobody peeling off. It was rudimentary stuff all night and Hull had done there homework. There was no way in with slow build up play.

Feel sorry for Rothwell. Had nothing in front of him all night. No matter what he tried.

Time to start looking down, not up. 

[DE.]

3 minutes ago, garnersfags said:

Regardless of all the froth around Sky, the Ref, the spineless cheating Hull management, etc., if Davenport or Butterworth (who I still think are the same person) had replaced Travis, we would have got at least a point. 

I'm truly devastated that the predicted hopeful but entirely illogical team tampering has begun. 

We (or should I say some of us) prayed (in vain) that Tony may have learned and understood by now what has and hasn't worked for this squad. This is why there's an overly-sombre mood on here tonight. 

Sorry.

I suppose the only potential positive (and I'm grasping here) is that if the ref had given us a pen, sent the Hull player off and we'd gone on to scrape another win Cardiff-style Mowbray may have incorrectly assumed he'd made the right decision. As it stands, even with the refereeing shananigans taken into account, there's no question the manager picked the wrong line up. We can only hope Mowbray recognises that and sorts it out for the next match.

[Bbrovers2288]

We were shyte

ref was shyte

hull were shyte

comms were shyte- saying hill deserved it for having one shot at ht. deserved to be level at ht for sure

thought we looked so weak tonight, needed somebody in the middle to grab the game by the scruff of the neck, probably somebody with experience. I hope this is addressed before end of the window. Think Hughes when we went up.

think the performances lately and tonight’s result brings us back down to earth in that we are playing for a play off spot not an auto