The Dingles

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, J*B said:

At least two right backs, at least two centre backs, one left back, two central midfielders, one winger, one striker. I make it 9…

Burnley must need 18 new players then. Get the cheque book Mr Pace.

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, J*B said:

Our strongest first 11 from last season has lost:

Nyambe, Zeefuik (back up RWB), Lenihan, van Hecke, Giles (back up LWB), Rothwell, Johnson, Clarkson, Khadra, Poveda, Davenport, and will soon lose Brereton. That’s a combined 19,291 minutes of first team football last season we don’t have this season. Yes, some players will step up from U23s. But we need some major first team ready signings. 

Giles misused majority of the time, Zeefuik injured most of the time, Johnson and Clarkson aren't a miss tbh, Davenport misused by Mowbray. Poveda was injured for 5 months. 

15 minutes ago, J*B said:

At least two right backs, at least two centre backs, one left back, two central midfielders, one winger, one striker. I make it 9…

Why not used James Brown has one of right back, Philips has one of the centre back, we got 2 left backs so no need for another one. 

I think we need a right back if Nyambe isn't going to re-sign, 1 centre back, 2 centre midfielders, 1 left winger and 1 strikers. 6 signings then used James Brown, Ash Philips, Jake Garrett and Jack Vale in the first team squad. 

[Exiled_Rover]

30 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Spot on.

We need 5 or 6 with Championship experience.

Thinking that we can solely rely on U23s to plug all the gaps is dillusional.

Nah, we just need 5 or 6 good ones. Don't care if they've played in the Championship or England before tbh.

[J*B]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Giles misused majority of the time, Zeefuik injured most of the time, Johnson and Clarkson aren't a miss tbh, Davenport misused by Mowbray. Poveda was injured for 5 months. 

Why not used James Brown has one of right back, Philips has one of the centre back, we got 2 left backs so no need for another one. 

I think we need a right back if Nyambe isn't going to re-sign, 1 centre back, 2 centre midfielders, 1 left winger and 1 strikers. 6 signings then used James Brown, Ash Philips, Jake Garrett and Jack Vale in the first team squad. 

But that’s just the point… Giles was injured, but we still had Pickering. Zeefuik was injured, but we had Nyambe. Johnson and Clarkson where both squad players, but again filled in when needed. Davenport again a squad player, he wasn’t needed on the pitch hardly… but he played a role within the squad. Poveda I’ll give you. 

James Brown has almost zero experience at the standard required. I hope he’s good enough, but we haven’t seen any evidence that he is. 

Which of Lenihan and JVH do you think Phillips is good enough to currently slot right into? As much as you rate him, the answer can only be neither. 

Who’s our second left back?! It’s Sunday and my head isn’t working. 

[roversfan99]

The thing is, this has been said so many times, lets promote x y and z assuming that they are all capable. What tends to happen is a few do breakthrough most likely not at the same time and many of the others disappear. A couple of years ago, it was Buckley, Rankin-Costello, Butterworth, Carter, Magloire and Thompson. A few years before, it was Nyambe, Lenihan, Green and Rittenberg amongst others, many of which I don't remember the names of. Relying on so many breaking through successfully together is beyond foolish, history tells you that. It would be a big success if 2 or 3 do.

Burnley are definitely not in a position where they need double what we need either, not unless you cannot see past bias. They also have made one decent looking addition and are close to a number of others. Any further ones who go will generate income.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

21 minutes ago, J*B said:

But that’s just the point… Giles was injured, but we still had Pickering. Zeefuik was injured, but we had Nyambe. Johnson and Clarkson where both squad players, but again filled in when needed. Davenport again a squad player, he wasn’t needed on the pitch hardly… but he played a role within the squad. Poveda I’ll give you. 

James Brown has almost zero experience at the standard required. I hope he’s good enough, but we haven’t seen any evidence that he is. 

Which of Lenihan and JVH do you think Phillips is good enough to currently slot right into? As much as you rate him, the answer can only be neither. 

Who’s our second left back?! It’s Sunday and my head isn’t working. 

Edun I suppose. Let’s hope that JDT knows a left back when he sees one. I don’t think Mowbray did.

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, J*B said:

But that’s just the point… Giles was injured, but we still had Pickering. Zeefuik was injured, but we had Nyambe. Johnson and Clarkson where both squad players, but again filled in when needed. Davenport again a squad player, he wasn’t needed on the pitch hardly… but he played a role within the squad. Poveda I’ll give you. 

James Brown has almost zero experience at the standard required. I hope he’s good enough, but we haven’t seen any evidence that he is. 

Which of Lenihan and JVH do you think Phillips is good enough to currently slot right into? As much as you rate him, the answer can only be neither. 

Who’s our second left back?! It’s Sunday and my head isn’t working. 

Well James Brown isn't going to get experience unless we given him a chance at this level. He was playing pro football in Ireland.  

Carter is going to one of those with a new centre signing replacing the other. Philips will be around the 1st team squad IMO. If you disagree that's fine, its all about opinions. 

Edun is the other left back at the club. 

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The thing is, this has been said so many times, lets promote x y and z assuming that they are all capable. What tends to happen is a few do breakthrough most likely not at the same time and many of the others disappear. A couple of years ago, it was Buckley, Rankin-Costello, Butterworth, Carter, Magloire and Thompson. A few years before, it was Nyambe, Lenihan, Green and Rittenberg amongst others, many of which I don't remember the names of. Relying on so many breaking through successfully together is beyond foolish, history tells you that. It would be a big success if 2 or 3 do.

How much of the Rovers under 23's have you actually watch in the last 5 years? I have watched plenty thanks and the 3 players I have mentioned plus Brown are ready to be part of the first team squad. I'm sure you will agree when JDT makes them part of this season first team squad

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Burnley are definitely not in a position where they need double what we need either, not unless you cannot see past bias. They also have made one decent looking addition and are close to a number of others. Any further ones who go will generate income.

Roberts and Collins being linked with moves always, Cornet, McNeil, Weghorst will all leave plus Pope, Mee and Tarnowski have all ready left. so they will need 1 right back, 1 left back, 3 centre backs, 2 or 3 wingers and 2 strikers. 

What Bias are you going on about? I have given an opinion on a football site on football matter

[roversfan99]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

How much of the Rovers under 23's have you actually watch in the last 5 years? I have watched plenty thanks and the 3 players I have mentioned plus Brown are ready to be part of the first team squad. I'm sure you will agree when JDT makes them part of this season first team squad

Roberts and Collins being linked with moves always, Cornet, McNeil, Weghorst will all leave plus Pope, Mee and Tarnowski have all ready left. so they will need 1 right back, 1 left back, 3 centre backs, 2 or 3 wingers and 2 strikers. 

What Bias are you going on about? I have given an opinion on a football site on football matter

The point has nothing to do with the quality of the current crop of prospects. I am showing that history dictates that more than half of each batch of kids falls by the wayside, if you can get a couple of really good prospects then its considered a success. To expect loads at once to come through and all be a success is incredibly naive in general, my point has nothing to do with the specific quality and potential of the current group.

I love the argument about thinking that I will agree automatically if Tomasson decides to include Brown in the squad this season. I dont know if he is good enough and prefer not to take the risk at the expense of a signing, he has only played once. (and was crap IMO) But it is you that doesnt have the ability to critique and tends to echo whatever the club is doing at any one time!

Edited June 26, 2022 by roversfan99

[longsiders1882]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

well it did get over the line. 

Ballard seems a very good defender but you seem to be chasing a few centre backs now. 

We don't need a new team tho. Burnley does. 

 

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

exactly you need around the double the signings we do. 

You keep saying this. Let’s deal in facts, as they stand today.

We have 2 keepers (Hennessy, BPF), both internationals. 2 right backs (Roberts and Lowton), 2 centre halves (Collins and Long) , one left back (Taylor),  4 centre mids (Cork, Brownhill, Westwood and now Twine), 3 wingers (though one seems full time crocked, Gudmundson, McNeill, Cornet), 2 strikers and a deal on the table for another (Barnes, Rodrigues plus Vydra). The best 11 out of that would do well in this division. Will they all stay? Of course not but this idea we don’t have a team is bonkers.

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Burnley must need 18 new players then. Get the cheque book Mr Pace.

That would make a squad of 34, seems excessive to me:

24 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The thing is, this has been said so many times, lets promote x y and z assuming that they are all capable. What tends to happen is a few do breakthrough most likely not at the same time and many of the others disappear. A couple of years ago, it was Buckley, Rankin-Costello, Butterworth, Carter, Magloire and Thompson. A few years before, it was Nyambe, Lenihan, Green and Rittenberg amongst others, many of which I don't remember the names of. Relying on so many breaking through successfully together is beyond foolish, history tells you that. It would be a big success if 2 or 3 do.

Burnley are definitely not in a position where they need double what we need either, not unless you cannot see past bias. They also have made one decent looking addition and are close to a number of others. Any further ones who go will generate income.

Lots of assumptions going on about whose going or isn’t. Yes we have a few who will no doubt appeal to other clubs but will they actually come in, who knows. Right now beyond Cornet and Weghorst going on loan nothing assured about any others going but we’ve already spent 4 million on Twine with 2 being offered for a centre half or 2 without those outgoings so if others go we will replace them.

[Exiled_Rover]

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well James Brown isn't going to get experience unless we given him a chance at this level. He was playing pro football in Ireland.  

Carter is going to one of those with a new centre signing replacing the other. Philips will be around the 1st team squad IMO. If you disagree that's fine, its all about opinions. 

Edun is the other left back at the club. 

Edun isn't a Championship quality LB at present - if JDT turns him into one (or a CM) then he won't be our manager long. He'd be destined for bigger things.

Isn't Ash Phillips 16? Unless he's the next Jude Bellingham and, therefore, about to get poached, he won't be a first team player this season. 

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The point has nothing to do with the quality of the current crop of prospects. I am showing that history dictates that more than half of each batch of kids falls by the wayside, if you can get a couple of really good prospects then its considered a success. To expect loads at once to come through and all be a success is incredibly naive in general, my point has nothing to do with the specific quality and potential of the current group.

I love the argument about thinking that I will agree automatically if Tomasson decides to include Brown in the squad this season. I dont know if he is good enough and prefer not to take the risk at the expense of a signing, he has only played once. (and was crap IMO) But it is you that doesnt have the ability to critique and tends to echo whatever the club is doing at any one time!

No one has said loads have they? I have suggested 3 players which isn't loads is it? Vale is ready for me to part of this first team squad. 

Lets sign another player who will block him. Brown is 24 years old and the recruitment team will have seen something in him to sign him. I rather give him the opportunity to prove that he is good enough. No surprised that your opinion of his performance at Birmingham. 

13 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Edun isn't a Championship quality LB at present - if JDT turns him into one (or a CM) then he won't be our manager long. He'd be destined for bigger things.

Isn't Ash Phillips 16? Unless he's the next Jude Bellingham and, therefore, about to get poached, he won't be a first team player this season. 

Edun is a decent left back but Pickering would be my first choice. 

Ash Phillips is 17 today and I think he can play a part in this season first team squad. 

[Butty]

Chaddy over estimating how many players Burnley need to sign and under estimating how many players we need to sign. At least they’ve made a start and are being linked with a lot of decent players, we’ve done fuck all so far and need plenty of players in ourselves. 

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, longsiders1882 said:

You keep saying this. Let’s deal in facts, as they stand today.

We have 2 keepers (Hennessy, BPF), both internationals. 2 right backs (Roberts and Lowton), 2 centre halves (Collins and Long) , one left back (Taylor),  4 centre mids (Cork, Brownhill, Westwood and now Twine), 3 wingers (though one seems full time crocked, Gudmundson, McNeill, Cornet), 2 strikers and a deal on the table for another (Barnes, Rodrigues plus Vydra). The best 11 out of that would do well in this division. Will they all stay? Of course not but this idea we don’t have a team is bonkers.

Lets see the squad you start the season with tho. You will see your best players sold to PL clubs and it leaves massive gaps. Roberts and Collins being linked with Wolves, McNeil and Cornet have been linked with moves away. 

Scott Twine isn't centre midfielder but a number 10/forward player from the 2 games I've seen at MK Dons. 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Butty said:

Chaddy over estimating how many players Burnley need to sign and under estimating how many players we need to sign. At least they’ve made a start and are being linked with a lot of decent players, we’ve done fuck all so far and need plenty of players in ourselves. 

That's your opinion and my is very different to yours. We have to agree to disagree. 

Burnley will keep losing players throughout the summer

[islander200]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

That's your opinion and my is very different to yours. We have to agree to disagree. 

Burnley will keep losing players throughout the summer

We haven't signed anyone and have lost Nyambe, Lenihen, Rothwell ,Van Hecke and Khadra who all played their part in getting us to second place.

We are playing catch-up and if Broughton has gone to Portugal it would be sensible to believe that we ain't about to pull the trigger on bringing anyone in, he will have obviously have gone over to assess what we have at the club.

Burnley are being linked with some decent players and Twine if he can make the step up which I think he can is a good start by them.

Other rivals are picking up some handy players whilst we have had one half link with a defender from our new managers old club 

They ain't waiting around to get the players they want in 

The players we lost from last summer's squad majority of them weren't a miss and went to clubs below us.Armstrong and Elliott aside the rest contributed little.

If Brererton goes we will have lost 6 or 7 from arguably our best 11.We need some ready made first team players in.5 subs next season the youngsters will get an opportunity but shouldn't be expecting too much 

Some money needs to be spent this summer to bring a bit of quality in to the first 11 

Id rather that then stretching the budget to 9 hope akpans

 

Edited June 26, 2022 by islander200

[longsiders1882]

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Lets see the squad you start the season with tho. You will see your best players sold to PL clubs and it leaves massive gaps. Roberts and Collins being linked with Wolves, McNeil and Cornet have been linked with moves away. 

Scott Twine isn't centre midfielder but a number 10/forward player from the 2 games I've seen at MK Dons. 

 

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

That's your opinion and my is very different to yours. We have to agree to disagree. 

Burnley will keep losing players throughout the summer

As I’ve said many times, people may well leave but media talk linking players to Wolves does not an actual transfer make. Every ‘hole’ created gives us money to fill the hole and other holes. I did say Cornet will go. Will McNeill? Not certain, he didn’t set the world on fire last season so whether a club takes a punt is uncertain. 
 

If they want Collins and Roberts then they need to come up with the money. So far it’s just made up stories by hacks who know very little. I’m not saying it is easy but it’s also far less desperate than you believe. 

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, islander200 said:

We haven't signed anyone and have lost Nyambe, Lenihen, Rothwell ,Van Hecke and Khadra who all played their part in getting us to second place.

I am fully aware that we haven't sign anyone and the players we haven't got for the season ahead. 

11 hours ago, islander200 said:

We are playing catch-up and if Broughton has gone to Portugal it would be sensible to believe that we ain't about to pull the trigger on bringing anyone in, he will have obviously have gone over to assess what we have at the club.

I disagree that we are playing catch up at all. Broughton has gone to Portugal with the squad I'm sure he is still working on bringing players in but He and Jon Dahl Tomasson said they wanted to look at the squad first and assess it in the training camp. 

11 hours ago, islander200 said:

Burnley are being linked with some decent players and Twine if he can make the step up which I think he can is a good start by them.

Other rivals are picking up some handy players whilst we have had one half link with a defender from our new managers old club 

They ain't waiting around to get the players they want in 

Yes some clubs have pick up some good to decent signings which I wish we gone for but I trust JDT and GB to bring in the necessary signings we need. 

11 hours ago, islander200 said:

If Brererton goes we will have lost 6 or 7 from arguably our best 11.We need some ready made first team players in.5 subs next season the youngsters will get an opportunity but shouldn't be expecting too much 

Some money needs to be spent this summer to bring a bit of quality in to the first 11 

Id rather that then stretching the budget to 9 hope akpans

 I'm sure any signings we made will be first team players rather than squad players but I feel that some of current squad can replace them like Dolan for Khadra and Dack for Rothwell for 2 examples. 

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, longsiders1882 said:

As I’ve said many times, people may well leave but media talk linking players to Wolves does not an actual transfer make. Every ‘hole’ created gives us money to fill the hole and other holes. I did say Cornet will go. Will McNeill? Not certain, he didn’t set the world on fire last season so whether a club takes a punt is uncertain. 
 

If they want Collins and Roberts then they need to come up with the money. So far it’s just made up stories by hacks who know very little. I’m not saying it is easy but it’s also far less desperate than you believe. 

McNeil won't want to play championship football and he will move on I bet. But we see in the next month. 

How much do you think Collins and Roberts? maybe 15 million for Collins and around 4 million pounds for Roberts

 

[Jimmy612]

13 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Edun is a decent left back but Pickering would be my first choice. 

Ash Phillips is 17 today and I think he can play a part in this season first team squad. 

Can you recall a game where he played well at left back?  In fact... how many times has he played in a back four?  He looked like he wanted to cry when we got murdered by Fulham - I don't remember him playing in a back 4 otherwise.... 

Vs Boro when we won 1-0 he was our weak link and was targeted over and over again.   That was as wing back, where arguably I would expect him to be more comfortable, perhaps that isn't the case. 

Point still stands... how many times did he play left back adequately/well for you to be telling us he's decent? 

I look at Edun and actually wonder where he's supposed to play.... does he actually have a position or is he a pro based on the fact he's a bit of a jack of all trades?  Maybe this season will reveal all.   

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

Can you recall a game where he played well at left back?  In fact... how many times has he played in a back four?  He looked like he wanted to cry when we got murdered by Fulham - I don't remember him playing in a back 4 otherwise.... 

Vs Boro when we won 1-0 he was our weak link and was targeted over and over again.   That was as wing back, where arguably I would expect him to be more comfortable, perhaps that isn't the case. 

Point still stands... how many times did he play left back adequately/well for you to be telling us he's decent? 

I look at Edun and actually wonder where he's supposed to play.... does he actually have a position or is he a pro based on the fact he's a bit of a jack of all trades?  Maybe this season will reveal all.   

who are we talking about Pickering or Edun? 

[Jimmy612]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

who are we talking about Pickering or Edun? 

Sorry, Edun. 

I have reservations about Pickering too, mind you.  He's horrendously slow and allows too many crosses in to the box. 

Edited June 27, 2022 by Jimmy612

[chaddyrovers]

18 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

Sorry, Edun. 

I have reservations about Pickering too, mind you.  He's horrendously slow and allows too many crosses in to the box. 

Sheffield United, Reading both home game where in played back 4 and played left back.

[Jimmy612]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Sheffield United, Reading both home game where in played back 4 and played left back.

You've an impressive memory.  To be honest, I thought Sheff United was our first foray into a back-5,...seemingly not.  Anyway, you think he's decent based on two games, I think he looks ropey based on two games.   Perhaps we'll find out more in the coming months. 

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

You've an impressive memory.  To be honest, I thought Sheff United was our first foray into a back-5,...seemingly not.  Anyway, you think he's decent based on two games, I think he looks ropey based on two games.   Perhaps we'll find out more in the coming months. 

played with back four in 4-2-3-1. Back four was Nyambe, Lenihan, Wharton and Edun. 

our first game with a back 5 was Peterborough at home. 

Think Edun is good enough to be squad player here