Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[roverstdt]

I 100% agree with you Glen. I remain optimistic and very ouch agree with the term journey. I really don’t expect us to push on this season and push with promotion as we are so far away from that at this current moment in time. In truth our only creative player is Buckley but we need someone else in the squad who can unlock teams with that vital pass. Moment of creativity. I feel we are lacking 4 bodies in the team it is fine to bring through academy players and add value but it needs to be done progressively and not just in one. Am I worried as to where we are at? No simply because to me a good season is finishing mid table this year and building towards a challenge on the top side of the league in a year or two once we have a more stable and settled squad which currently we don’t have.  

[RoversClitheroe]

I think originally all of us were excited by the silence of our club and signings coming out of the blue.

I personally now feel like the silence is due to us having F all money and not actually aiming to sign anyone.

JDT in his press conference sounds frustrated, and if he doesn't get the signings required I can see him resigning, he doesn't need false promises and failures from his superiors, he can just leave for bigger things.

[Sweaty Gussets]

14 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

I think originally all of us were excited by the silence of our club and signings coming out of the blue.

I personally now feel like the silence is due to us having F all money and not actually aiming to sign anyone.

JDT in his press conference sounds frustrated, and if he doesn't get the signings required I can see him resigning, he doesn't need false promises and failures from his superiors, he can just leave for bigger things.

@glen9mullanyou've liked this post, but 2 days ago you were saying we'd spend £10m this window??

[SuperBrfc]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

really? another massive over reaction here. They have massive high hopes for Jake Garrett and Adam Wharton in the coming years so rightly don't want to block that pathway

Give the new management team time and some patience please. Let the transfer window at least ends first

Chaddy, our need is immediate. We need quality in the centre of midfield now. It's not about three or four years down the line. Can Adam Wharton and Garrett be counted on to play a key role this season? Are they of the standard required right now? I think we know the answer to both.

Lessons should be learnt from the hype around previous youngsters that didn't lead to any benefit for the first team. "We've got Pike, Butterworth, McBride, Vale" are all things that you said at various stages. None of them made it at Rovers and the latter looks way off it at this level. Ash Phillips is being talked up as a potential worldie, yet he is finding it difficult too as the step up is massive. Wharton and Garrett might turn out to be decent in the future, or they could go the same way as those mentioned. However, to not bring in quality right now in central midfield because of the potential impact on their development is a cop out and an excuse.

Any DoF in the Championship, who opts for a kid on loan in midfield because he doesn't want to block the pathways for two other kids cannot be taken seriously, in my view. These aren't exceptional players we are talking about here. In a league where we need to fight, in an area of the pitch where we need to fight, he seems to be happy with kids being in there as options. Does that sound like somebody who is focusing on quality or promotion to you? That, IMO, looks like an Academy man who is focusing on player development as a priority, and that's why I want him out.

Remember what he said when he first arrived:

“There are going to be three things that allow us to overachieve on the pitch and for Blackburn Rovers to be back in the Premier League we have to overachieve".

I think that says enough about the level of ambition and belief.

[Ossydave]

If Van Hecke and Van Den Berg both went elsewhere then Broughtons reputation would be in absolute tatters I'm afraid, unless he has a damn good alternative lined up. Although, I doubt either would have changed yesterday's result....

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

In terms of fan base, they have a much bigger one than ours in fairness. 
Granted they have a bigger population and catchment area like!

Well a lot of their catchment area is concerned with fishing quotas…😉

[Kcaj93]

6 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Chaddy, our need is immediate. We need quality in the centre of midfield now. It's not about three or four years down the line. Can Adam Wharton and Garrett be counted on to play a key role this season? Are they of the standard required right now? I think we know the answer to both.

Lessons should be learnt from the hype around previous youngsters that didn't lead to any benefit for the first team. "We've got Pike, Butterworth, McBride, Vale" are all things that you said at various stages. None of them made it at Rovers and the latter looks way off it at this level. Ash Phillips is being talked up as a potential worldie, yet he is finding it difficult too as the step up is massive. Wharton and Garrett might turn out to be decent in the future, or they could go the same way as those mentioned. However, to not bring in quality right now in central midfield because of the potential impact on their development is a cop out and an excuse.

Any DoF in the Championship, who opts for a kid on loan in midfield because he doesn't want to block the pathways for two other kids cannot be taken seriously, in my view. These aren't exceptional players we are talking about here. In a league where we need to fight, in an area of the pitch where we need to fight, he seems to be happy with kids being in there as options. Does that sound like somebody who is focusing on quality or promotion to you? That, IMO, looks like an Academy man who is focusing on player development as a priority, and that's why I want him out.

Remember what he said when he first arrived:

“There are going to be three things that allow us to overachieve on the pitch and for Blackburn Rovers to be back in the Premier League we have to overachieve".

I think that says enough about the level of ambition and belief.

Also people go on about our incredible academy. Yes at this level it is very good and cat a. But how many of the players that come through are better than mid table championship? You look at other clubs with 'poorer' academies and they are selling there young players for 10 million plus. For all good our academy is we have not been able to do that. The players that come through majority are mid table championship quality at best. Lenihan and nyambe have proven that in recent times. Phillips maybe an exception if he does sign other than that I don't see anyone else being sold for big money or playing at club much higher than ourselves 

[Mike E]

If JDT wants Berget for 200k then go and fucking get him! We've just received that for the Zimbabwean boy!

[Sparks Rover]

Just now, Kcaj93 said:

Also people go on about our incredible academy. Yes at this level it is very good and cat a. But how many of the players that come through are better than mid table championship? You look at other clubs with 'poorer' academies and they are selling there young players for 10 million plus. For all good our academy is we have not been able to do that. The players that come through majority are mid table championship quality at best. Lenihan and nyambe have proven that in recent times. Phillips maybe an exception if he does sign other than that I don't see anyone else being sold for big money or playing at club much higher than ourselves 

It's not bad compared to the nobbers as an example...they have nobody playing in their first team from their academy....Blackpools is a shambles.....

Our academy is well thought of in the region that's not the problem....a proper first team set up is what's needed.

[glen9mullan]

17 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

@glen9mullanyou've liked this post, but 2 days ago you were saying we'd spend £10m this window??

It was regarding the JDT part, That is the budget, so my comment stands.

Like everyone else, im seriously concerned at our ability to spend it wisely or indeed spend it all. Far too slow for my liking, jury very much out

Edited August 21, 2022 by glen9mullan

[Kcaj93]

2 minutes ago, Kcaj93 said:

Also people go on about our incredible academy. Yes at this level it is very good and cat a. But how many of the players that come through are better than mid table championship? You look at other clubs with 'poorer' academies and they are selling there young players for 10 million plus. For all good our academy is we have not been able to do that. The players that come through majority are mid table championship quality at best. Lenihan and nyambe have proven that in recent times. Phillips maybe an exception if he does sign other than that I don't see anyone else being sold for big money or playing at club much higher than ourselves 

Don't get me wrong we have some talented players in our first team who have come through the academy and it is wonderful so many have gone on to play for us. My post is about using the academy as oart of the project to become a sustainable club through prgessuon and sales. Unless we have some worldies coming through in the next couple of years it won't transpire how they think it will.

[Kcaj93]

1 minute ago, Sparks Rover said:

It's not bad compared to the nobbers as an example...they have nobody playing in their first team from their academy....Blackpools is a shambles.....

Our academy is well thought of in the region that's not the problem....a proper first team set up is what's needed.

Oh don't get me wrong it is probably one of the best in the league I don't dispute that. What I dispute is the players being good enoigh to be sold to the likes of spurs or other prem clubs for 10 mil plus like a few clubs have had. 

[Gav]

12 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

If Van Hecke and Van Den Berg both went elsewhere then Broughtons reputation would be in absolute tatters I'm afraid, unless he has a damn good alternative lined up. Although, I doubt either would have changed yesterday's result....

This site has an obsession with signing Van Hecke. Don’t get me wrong the lads a class act, but a Mowbray signing, that’s surely where the story ends.

Brighton won’t want him coming here unless we buy him outright, JDT is his own man with this own ideas, why would he be after Van Hecke?

Time to move on.

Edited August 21, 2022 by Gav

[Sweaty Gussets]

11 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

It was regarding the JDT part, That is the budget, so my comment stands.

Like everyone else, im seriously concerned at our ability to spend it wisely or indeed spend it all. Far too slow for my liking, jury very much out

I was just wondering is something had changed, that was all. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

18 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

fully expect us to finish bottom of the mini Lancashire league if we don't add some men.

Souey, is that you?😉

[alexanders]

Berget is not the answer. Already failed once in England. Don't want him here and especially considering his age. 

Sparksrover: How you can say that we don't have warriors in midfield is beyond me. Travis is a real warrior. 

[JHRover]

We are an established Championship club, that narrowly missed the playoffs last season. Sunderland are fresh out of a 4 year spell in League One.

Added to that Van Hecke was here last season, loved it, loved by the fans and popular with the players.

Add to that we have needed a new CB for months and that need has become chronic in the last 2 weeks with injuries to Wharton and Carter.

If he goes to Sunderland it is because they are paying more. Nothing more to it than that.

Cheers Venkys

 

[Sweaty Gussets]

Training Ground Guru | Gregg Broughton: How to judge the success of an Academy

Found this article on GB.

Funny for this quote when a regional youth dev officer turned up at Luton 10 years ago to audit their Academy:

As our youth development office shared a door with the first team office, manager Mike Newell was sat in the room when the rep came in.

Newell greeted the rep’s arrival with the words, “What the f**k is he doing here?” Our visitor kept his nerve and politely explained that he was there to complete a report on the youth section.

Newell’s reply, which I will never forget, was: “When you have scored the fastest hat-trick in Champions League history you can come here and tell me how to run our Academy. Until then, f**k off!”

 

[WacoRover]

11 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We are an established Championship club, that narrowly missed the playoffs last season. Sunderland are fresh out of a 4 year spell in League One.

Added to that Van Hecke was here last season, loved it, loved by the fans and popular with the players.

Add to that we have needed a new CB for months and that need has become chronic in the last 2 weeks with injuries to Wharton and Carter.

If he goes to Sunderland it is because they are paying more. Nothing more to it than that.

Cheers Venkys

 

All this adds up to one thing: When he finally discovers the owners never had any intention of opening their wallet for better players, Tomasson is going to pull a Lambert and abandon ship. 

[Heinz]

21 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We are an established Championship club, that narrowly missed the playoffs last season. Sunderland are fresh out of a 4 year spell in League One.

Added to that Van Hecke was here last season, loved it, loved by the fans and popular with the players.

Add to that we have needed a new CB for months and that need has become chronic in the last 2 weeks with injuries to Wharton and Carter.

If he goes to Sunderland it is because they are paying more. Nothing more to it than that.

Cheers Venkys

 

According to a dutch newspaper, he is going to Sunderland because they play similar / use a similar formation like Brighton… apparently…

https://www.vi.nl/nieuws/sunderland-dicht-bij-komst-van-jong-oranje-verdediger-van-hecke

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Heinz

[simongarnerisgod]

5 minutes ago, WacoRover said:

All this adds up to one thing: When he finally discovers the owners never had any intention of opening their wallet for better players, Tomasson is going to pull a Lambert and abandon ship. 

all will be revealed in next 10 days,i do suspect he`ll be on his way home if the players ar`nt forthcoming,why spend time away from your family flogging out a dead season because you were denied the funds for new players,jdt is`nt a pension topper up like mowbray

[OldEwoodBlue]

JPVH going to Sunderland means either we were never actually in for him or we couldn't afford him or we have a cheaper option lined up.

[Sweaty Gussets]

3 minutes ago, WacoRover said:

All this adds up to one thing: When he finally discovers the owners never had any intention of opening their wallet for better players, Tomasson is going to pull a Lambert and abandon ship. 

Not sure that's true, they bid for Anel, we just couldn't afford his wages. And we've also signed two for cash. I'm sure there's money there, they just can't spend it cos the players they want can get better money elsewhere. 

And Lambert's departure had nothing to do with transfer money available to him. He left because there was no structure in place above him and he was left being a spokesman for a dysfunctional club, just like he was at Villa under Lerner. That's from the horses mouth.

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, OldEwoodBlue said:

JPVH going to Sunderland means either we were never actually in for him or we couldn't afford him or we have a cheaper option lined up.

were we ever in for him??apart from on here,sunderland do have impressive record of signing players who bomb once they are up there🤣

[Armchair supporter supremo]

35 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We are an established Championship club, that narrowly missed the playoffs last season. Sunderland are fresh out of a 4 year spell in League One.

Added to that Van Hecke was here last season, loved it, loved by the fans and popular with the players.

Add to that we have needed a new CB for months and that need has become chronic in the last 2 weeks with injuries to Wharton and Carter.

If he goes to Sunderland it is because they are paying more. Nothing more to it than that.

Cheers Venkys

 

Who exactly set and so strongly enforces this salary cap though? Waggot, Sunhail or the venkys themselves? 

Has anybody at the club challenged the powers that be over the level of this cap?

 

All stinks of waggot to me, penny pinching weasel should be managing a lidl somwhere not a great (close to)150 year old professional football club in one of the worlds top leagues 

Edited August 21, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo