Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, unsall said:

Because he would agree he’s negative, just how some are, I’m the other way, my point is we just can’t go in for players and pay them what they want, it looks like we were serious for Davies just couldn’t match wages when you’re talking around £26/30 grand a week.

We just have to bide our time and hopefully come up trumps with a couple of decent players we can afford, like Britain.

Like I’ve said FFP isn’t going away in fact it’s getting tighter and shortly we won’t be able to spend more than 70% of turnover on wages, at the moment we are way over 100%.

But there’s some on here who don’t want to know, think we won’t get punished, Derby went for it bent the rules and look what happened.

For the first time in a while we’re got a DOF/ coach who seem to be tuned in.
I will wait until the end of the transfer window before making my mind up if it’s a decent window.

End of the day it’s a balancing act, try to attract decent players but without paying silly wages, unfortunately it’s not 1994 in the glory years it’s 2022, times have changed.

It's an unnecessary put down usually in the absence of a more constructive argument. It was suggested that it isn't helpful to anyone but it isn't harmful either, its an internet messageboard! 

The FFP stuff is going off on a tangent but we sold Armstrong for big money 12 months ago and will sell Brereton for big money in the next month so we are ok there. Derby is often the go to argument, totally different scenario under Mel Morris.

People have been lambasted for "not giving people a chance" when questioning Broughton, equally on the topic of premature conclusions, how are you sure that he is "tuned in?" Jury is out at the moment, only one signing to judge on, could go either way, bang in the middle.

When Mowbray said that line about it not being 1994/95, he was slated, maybe over the top but somewhat understandably so. No one has suggested anything that would imply that they are living 28 years in the past. People haven't suggested spending wildly either, but the constant narrative is that we have a bit of money to play with, so especially baring that in mind, it is fair to be a little frustrated IMO that we have only 1 signing going into the first game barring anything in the next couple of days. Might be for a myriad of reasons but still.

[roverstdt]

7 minutes ago, 47er said:

That's an opinion , not a fact. We'll see. I hope you are right but a bit of insurance is urgently required

The fact is the starting 11 hasn't drastically changed: 

 

------------------Kaminski (SAME)-------------------

Brittain (NEW)------Ayala (NEW if you want)--------Wharton (Same)------Pickering (Same)

-----------------Travis (Same)----------Buckley (SAME)

Dolan/Markanday/Hedges (Same)-------Dack (Same)----------Diaz (Same)

 

-------------------------------Gallagher (Same)----------------------

 

Rothwell didn't start every game, neither did Khadra, I just don't get this panic 

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yeah but often to get quality without an open cheque book it's a waiting game.It isn't ideal like I said but it's the way it is. 

Look at Boro, many on here waxing lyrical because they brought in Lenihen early (look at Boro, that's how you get things done)...they just received 12 million for Spence but are still having to play a waiting game to replace their attackers from last season. 

Until the window is closed its pure guesswork what we will or won't do in this window.I prefer to criticize or praise after the event not decide I know better and criticize when I have no idea how far along we are with deals.

Boro have also signed 2 keepers and a left wing back aswell as Giles so they have seemingly done a big chunk of their business but yes, I am sure that their fans are frustrated about their lack of strikers.

You have yourself shown mild disappointment that we haven't got more business done so you clearly somewhat agree and thus can empathise with the frustration. The only alternative is not to panic and/or sign crap. It is irrelevant how far along we are with deals, there are only 2 stages that matter, completed and not completed. There could be and am sure will be other reasons aside from incompetence but either way, I get the frustration.

[Torgeir]

3 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

The fact is the starting 11 hasn't drastically changed: 

 

------------------Kaminski (SAME)-------------------

Brittain (NEW)------Ayala (NEW if you want)--------Wharton (Same)------Pickering (Same)

-----------------Travis (Same)----------Buckley (SAME)

Dolan/Markanday/Hedges (Same)-------Dack (Same)----------Diaz (Same)

 

-------------------------------Gallagher (Same)----------------------

 

Rothwell didn't start every game, neither did Khadra, I just don't get this panic 

Panic because we're trying to improve, not go sideways or backwards.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Torgeir

[Sweaty Gussets]

13 minutes ago, unsall said:

Because he would agree he’s negative, just how some are, I’m the other way, my point is we just can’t go in for players and pay them what they want, it looks like we were serious for Davies just couldn’t match wages when you’re talking around £26/30 grand a week.

We just have to bide our time and hopefully come up trumps with a couple of decent players we can afford, like Britain.

Like I’ve said FFP isn’t going away in fact it’s getting tighter and shortly we won’t be able to spend more than 70% of turnover on wages, at the moment we are way over 100%.

But there’s some on here who don’t want to know, think we won’t get punished, Derby went for it bent the rules and look what happened.

For the first time in a while we’re got a DOF/ coach who seem to be tuned in.
I will wait until the end of the transfer window before making my mind up if it’s a decent window.

End of the day it’s a balancing act, try to attract decent players but without paying silly wages, unfortunately it’s not 1994 in the glory years it’s 2022, times have changed.

UEFA's new financial sustainability regulations to replace FFP: All you need to know | Football News | Sky Sports

Good article here on the rule changes. As you say, we will only be able to spend 70% of revenue on wages in 3 years time (it's being phased in over 3 years to help clubs adapt) so we need to either slash our wage bill by then or dramatically increase revenue. 

[islander200]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It's an unnecessary put down usually in the absence of a more constructive argument. It was suggested that it isn't helpful to anyone but it isn't harmful either, its an internet messageboard! 

The FFP stuff is going off on a tangent but we sold Armstrong for big money 12 months ago and will sell Brereton for big money in the next month so we are ok there. Derby is often the go to argument, totally different scenario under Mel Morris.

People have been lambasted for "not giving people a chance" when questioning Broughton, equally on the topic of premature conclusions, how are you sure that he is "tuned in?" Jury is out at the moment, only one signing to judge on, could go either way, bang in the middle.

When Mowbray said that line about it not being 1994/95, he was slated, maybe over the top but somewhat understandably so. No one has suggested anything that would imply that they are living 28 years in the past. People haven't suggested spending wildly either, but the constant narrative is that we have a bit of money to play with, so especially baring that in mind, it is fair to be a little frustrated IMO that we have only 1 signing going into the first game barring anything in the next couple of days. Might be for a myriad of reasons but still.

I agree with you but why is it you only post about this side.Why is it I never see you quoting someone who is calling another poster a happy clapper because they have a more positive mindset and believe the club will bring in players? 

 

[islander200]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Boro have also signed 2 keepers and a left wing back aswell as Giles so they have seemingly done a big chunk of their business but yes, I am sure that their fans are frustrated about their lack of strikers.

You have yourself shown mild disappointment that we haven't got more business done so you clearly somewhat agree and thus can empathise with the frustration. The only alternative is not to panic and/or sign crap. It is irrelevant how far along we are with deals, there are only 2 stages that matter, completed and not completed. There could be and am sure will be other reasons aside from incompetence but either way, I get the frustration.

Yeah I am mildly disappointed but some of the things being said are hyperbole in my opinion.I also appreciate it isn't easy to bring in quality players.

Our options as it stands ain't awful.Is the squad as it stands promotion material?No.But it is a squad capable of picking up results and am I fearful of playing QPR on Saturday with Brittain the only signing?No.

Lot of weak teams in this division again and we are far from being the weakest 

[TheRevAshton]

Slowed down a bit hasn't it lads... anyone still hopeful of more signings before the QPR game?

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I agree with you but why is it you only post about this side.Why is it I never see you quoting someone who is calling another poster a happy clapper because they have a more positive mindset and believe the club will bring in players? 

 

Thinking that we will bring in players is not positive, I dont think anyone thinks we wont so it is just the default position.

But of course calling someone a happy clapper is equally unconstructive. As is altering an opinion to always match the club exactly. All 3 are not condusive to constructive debate.

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Yeah I am mildly disappointed but some of the things being said are hyperbole in my opinion.I also appreciate it isn't easy to bring in quality players.

Our options as it stands ain't awful.Is the squad as it stands promotion material?No.But it is a squad capable of picking up results and am I fearful of playing QPR on Saturday with Brittain the only signing?No.

Lot of weak teams in this division again and we are far from being the weakest 

It shouldnt be about fear and avoiding being the weakest or awful. We finished 8th last season, the manager who we unanomiously wanted to go at the end of the season has gone, we have a new manager who has said that we have money is there to be spent, plus our best player is back fit. Surely the expectation should be improvement, not treading water?

I also appreciate that it isnt easy to sign players but its peoples jobs to get deals done and it is dissapointing that we dont have more done already, whatever the reasons.

[Guest]

Rich "it's hotting up because I read the Rovers forums and they said it's hotting up" Sharpe has been a bit quiet? 😉 

[roverstdt]

2 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

Panic because we're trying to improve, not go sideways or backwards.

Improvement is based on several windows over time we are not going to be a Manchester City and buy the league to go up only to then end up like Derby. The club mentioned and the manager that there is a transition this year and patience is required. When did that communication ever change? 

[Sweaty Gussets]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Surely the expectation should be improvement, not treading water?

Why? We've lost our 3 best defenders, our midfielder with the most assists, and we'll probably lose BBD. Add to that the FFP rules have changed so it will be a lot harder for Rovers to attract players over the next few years because we simply can't pay the wages.

The financial playing-field has fundamentally changed in a way that I'm not sure people have grasped. Our wage-to-revenue ratio is something like 140% ... in 3 years time it's needs to be 70%. 

[islander200]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Thinking that we will bring in players is not positive, I dont think anyone thinks we wont so it is just the default position.

But of course calling someone a happy clapper is equally unconstructive. As is altering an opinion to always match the club exactly. All 3 are not condusive to constructive debate.

It shouldnt be about fear and avoiding being the weakest or awful. We finished 8th last season, the manager who we unanomiously wanted to go at the end of the season has gone, we have a new manager who has said that we have money is there to be spent, plus our best player is back fit. Surely the expectation should be improvement, not treading water?

I also appreciate that it isnt easy to sign players but its peoples jobs to get deals done and it is dissapointing that we dont have more done already, whatever the reasons.

Yeah and if we end the window and we haven't improved the squad I will be critical. 

My point is it's draining reading the same stuff everyday usually by the same people who pass their theories off as fact.

To me it is quite evident there is SOME money to bring players in. There could be any number of reasons why it hasnt happened...it may not be incompetence at our end it may just be that we are down the line with players but have to wait on their clubs getting a replacement in.

First mention of Brittain in press and 24 hours later it was confirmed  a deal that was in the making a cpl of weeks and nobody had a clue about it.Things will be bubbling away.

Il be clear though playing the waiting game then I expect some quality to be brought in and a mixture of permanent and loans.

If we end up with just kids on loan or cheap never been tested at this level league one players on permanents then I will be critical.

[roversfan99]

So now we arent going to be like Rovers 94/95 nor are we going to be like Man City. No one has implied either of those comparisons.

1 minute ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Why? We've lost our 3 best defenders, our midfielder with the most assists, and we'll probably lose BBD. Add to that the FFP rules have changed so it will be a lot harder for Rovers to attract players over the next few years because we simply can't pay the wages.

The financial playing-field has fundamentally changed in a way that I'm not sure people have grasped. Our wage-to-revenue ratio is something like 140% ... in 3 years time it's needs to be 70%. 

The majority of clubs will not be able to get under 70% unless the whole league/structure and its economic structure adapts proportionately.

If Mowbray was here this season and we finished much further down the league, he would have rightfully been criticised. Most teams have lost players especially widespread loanees but with Brereton set to bring in a second windfall in 2 years we become easily under FFP regulations whilst having the ability to spend a bit to replace those players. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

4 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Styles would be my second choice. As with Brittain, it looks as though he could fit right into what I think are the most important positions in the system that we've been playing - inverted wing-backs, who run centrally and provide an attacking threat. They are critical to that system, and we're lacking on one side it seems.

It's more inverted wingers than wing-backs, we're going to be playing 4 at the back it looks like. 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Yeah and if we end the window and we haven't improved the squad I will be critical. 

My point is it's draining reading the same stuff everyday usually by the same people who pass their theories off as fact.

To me it is quite evident there is SOME money to bring players in. There could be any number of reasons why it hasnt happened...it may not be incompetence at our end it may just be that we are down the line with players but have to wait on their clubs getting a replacement in.

First mention of Brittain in press and 24 hours later it was confirmed  a deal that was in the making a cpl of weeks and nobody had a clue about it.Things will be bubbling away.

Il be clear though playing the waiting game then I expect some quality to be brought in and a mixture of permanent and loans.

If we end up with just kids on loan or cheap never been tested at this level league one players on permanents then I will be critical.

What you say tallies up with much of what I said but it is surely logical that the closer we get to the season lacking reinforcements and also in the absence of completed transfers to talk about then that tension will grow. The end of the window is 7 games in, the gap between now and then ideally would be looking for the cherry on top, not most of the cake.

[Sweaty Gussets]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So now we arent going to be like Rovers 94/95 nor are we going to be like Man City. No one has implied either of those comparisons.

The majority of clubs will not be able to get under 70% unless the whole league/structure and its economic structure adapts proportionately.

If Mowbray was here this season and we finished much further down the league, he would have rightfully been criticised. Most teams have lost players especially widespread loanees but with Brereton set to bring in a second windfall in 2 years we become easily under FFP regulations whilst having the ability to spend a bit to replace those players. 

You've just completely ignored the 70% rule (straw man aside about other clubs not adhering to it which is irrelevant) and gone on about BBD being sold. You also ignored that the players I mentioned were predominantly players we own, not loanees. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Sweaty Gussets

[nbdrovers]

Just now, Sweaty Gussets said:

You've just completely ignored the 70% rule and gone on about BBD being sold. You also ignored that the players I mentioned were predominantly players we own, not loanees. 

you're quoting the uefa rules for teams in their european competitions. in the championship it's the efl ffp rules. they will be changing soon, but not to uefa's.

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 minute ago, nbdelboy said:

you're quoting the uefa rules for teams in their european competitions. in the championship it's the efl ffp rules. they will be changing soon, but not to uefa's.

If that's true I'll graciously retire from this discussion 🙂 , but @unsall seems to be labouring under the same misconception as me. 

[Exiled in Toronto]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I can't understand why people are so relaxed about the prospect of going into the season so completely undercooked in terms of recruitment and risking making a complete horlicks of the first seven games!

We won't be so relaxed about it if we get off to a desperate start and end up going down narrowly by a point or two at the end of the season.

As JH says, we're gambling on the manager being a bit special and the kids doing well enough to keep us afloat. But if the manager does turn out to be special why not give him the tools to do the job and have us challenging anyway?

Considering how relentlessly negative you were about all things Mowbray, I’m surprised you refer to the new gaffer being any better as “a gamble” - you were chief dice-roller while Mowbray was here!

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Its going down every day! We wanted 6 at the start of the window and the number goes down as time drifts away!

Mainly because Wharton and Carter have looked the part. Obviously Brittain counts as 1 - I've always thought we needed 4.

Of the 10 First XI players that left, more than half were inconsequential.

[BankEnd Rover]

2 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Van Hecke starting for Brighton in their friendly against Brentford at 15:00. Behind closed doors. Doubt a move is imminent.

That’s not surprising…IF he does come it will be on loan again so will be in the next few weeks.

Really not sure why we’ve not heard anything on Styles…But like many have said, no news is good news so hopefully.

[islander200]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

What you say tallies up with much of what I said but it is surely logical that the closer we get to the season lacking reinforcements and also in the absence of completed transfers to talk about then that tension will grow. The end of the window is 7 games in, the gap between now and then ideally would be looking for the cherry on top, not most of the cake.

Yeah but for the championship market to really get going it often takes the premier league clubs getting back from their pre season and releasing the players they are going to loan from the season or deciding what players are made available from transfer.

Not saying we are in for him but hypothetically we want Bowler from Blackpool.We had talks and agreed terms but they won't let him out until the young player they are replacing him with can arrive on loan. 

There have been a few deals iv looked at and thought they would be good signings but not many tbh. 

None of us have a clue what is going on that's why I take issue with some of the things said(not from you) like "Broughton doesn't have any contacts over here" "its obvious we are just waiting for the prem kids on loan".

Nothing is obvious with these clowns owning us.People trying to pass off their theories as fact when they have as much an idea as the rest of us what the owners are likely to do.

Looking at it logically and from what JDT has said he definitely believes money is available so at this point I don't think it will be "definitely kids on loan again and no money spent"

[Sweaty Gussets]

some bloke on twitter who recently chatted with Mogga at Sunderland v hartlepool

 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Sweaty Gussets

[windymiller7]

14 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Van Hecke starting for Brighton in their friendly against Brentford at 15:00. Behind closed doors. Doubt a move is imminent.

Interesting quote from Potter. Can only assume he's referring to the likes of van Hecke, who I hope has a stinker! 🤭

 

One of these in the first 10 mins would do nicely! 😄

Edited July 26, 2022 by windymiller7
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