Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[arbitro]

8 hours ago, unsall said:

What’s smart Alec about it. Folk always blaming someone at the club when they haven’t a clue what’s been offered, must be a nightmare negotiating with the slimy greedy agents, that’s the problem,not Rovers management, in THIS case.

These slimy, greedy agents you refer to operate in the same way at every club. They are paid to get the best deal for their clients but many other clubs seem to be able to deal with them. If Phillips leaves that will be four players walking away after refusing a new deal and potentially the jewel in our crown doing similar next summer. I can't think of any club that has lost four players in similar circumstances at once. I could accept one of two but four?

Surely fans are in order to question that.

[phili]

32 minutes ago, arbitro said:

These slimy, greedy agents you refer to operate in the same way at every club. They are paid to get the best deal for their clients but many other clubs seem to be able to deal with them. If Phillips leaves that will be four players walking away after refusing a new deal and potentially the jewel in our crown doing similar next summer. I can't think of any club that has lost four players in similar circumstances at once. I could accept one of two but four?

Surely fans are in order to question that.

To us fans it's an issue, to Venky's it doesn't matter, they still inject £15-20m a season into the club and seem to be happy for players to leave on a free.

If Venky's have agreed a wage budget and certain maximum levels for player categories in it then there will be no leeway or flexibility with it.

 

 

[Wheelton Blue]

There's an excuse for everything with Waggott.

Whether it be players leaving, ticket prices, the state of the stadium.....there's always an excuse.

[Blue blood]

3 hours ago, alex l said:

Irrespective of what you may think of their talent, I doubt anyone can argue against Gallagher, Kaminski and Travis not being key players at the time they all extended during the last 12 or so months. 

A single point in their favour although even then will concede only 2 of the 3. There's no way anyone would pay Gally what we are paying him based on his performance so really there can't be that much credit there. The other 2 are positives. 

Mind you the issue isn't just players not signing contracts (although that is a key part of it) it's the fact we allow them to walk for free, all at the same time meaning there are big holes in the squad and we need to replace them with no renumeration back in. 

If we were more organised we could/should have had this sorted a year/two years ago, and getting either reduced fees not allowing it to build up into one almighty car crash of players in needed. Problem is there is no forward planning whatsoever. 

[Finlay McKenna]

Are people unaware Nyambe was essentially let go? The contract offer was withdrawn once JDT came in.

[islander200]

1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

He can only eye up a PL move if a club comes in for him as it stands NOT a single club has other than a reported tentative bid from Seville 

How do you know there has been no interest or bids from premier league clubs for Brererton?

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

5 minutes ago, Finlay McKenna said:

Are people unaware Nyambe was essentially let go? The contract offer was withdrawn once JDT came in.

It is difficult to know for certain - but I thought JDT had discussed with Nyambe prior to it being withdrawn. At the end of the day, I suppose we had to put a time limit on it before committing to a replacement.

[neophox]

Brannagan is poor.. stay away 

[JBiz]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

These slimy, greedy agents you refer to operate in the same way at every club. They are paid to get the best deal for their clients but many other clubs seem to be able to deal with them. If Phillips leaves that will be four players walking away after refusing a new deal and potentially the jewel in our crown doing similar next summer. I can't think of any club that has lost four players in similar circumstances at once. I could accept one of two but four?

Surely fans are in order to question that.

Absolutely, fans should question everything. They should also be reasonable, not just lump issues all into one to point the finger.

You mention 4 at once for example, but those players have their own circumstances. 

1. Rothwell has gone to the premier league and if you believe Waggott we could’ve been remunerated for that - frustrated but understand.

2. Lenihan - 28 year old, wants a big signing on fee and contract as it’ll be the best he’ll ever be on. Wilder has wanted him for 5 years too, I’m sure that played a part.

3. Nyambe - seemingly wanted to move, why would he take a “step back” to Wigan? Or was he lied too. Either way he’s been replaced out of these three.

4. Phillips is leaving? Just a rumour here at moment (suspiciously timed after the thread title change for Magliore hmmm)

Let’s suggest it is Tottenham - someone listed the clubs respective turnover / value compared to ours and it was over 20x bigger… Simple economics would suggest he’d earn a lot more and be set up for life, even if he never plays a senior game for them.

As @unsall rightly and regularly points out, for all the finger pointing at individuals, owners and the club in general, doesn’t take into account three incredibly difficult hurdles.

1. The vast gap between wages bottom half premier league and top half championship - and the not so vast gap in ability levels.

2. FFP - a literal limit / rule on spending to turnover. We spent time in embargo last summer once more, and for all certain posters saying it is an excuse, league 1 has been littered with clubs for 10+ years (including us) who’ve ended up having to “cut their cloth” to 36 year centre-backs like Curtis Davies or Wes Brown.

3. Parachute Payments - the advantage that gives teams over four years makes it fairly impossible for anyone to break that promotion cycle. That’s not to say all teams with them succeed, as they're often a fast way into FFP issues when you fail getting back up after throwing the money at it - look at the signings / issue’s Huddersfield are having after finishing third / losing playoff final last year - I think they’re in the last year of their PP

https://www.90min.com/posts/how-effective-are-the-premier-league-parachute-payments/amp

In conclusion - There’s much more to be done at Ewood in regards to improving results, contract negotiations, turnover, fan dialogue, community liaison etc - but it’s not as if we’re the only club in the 92 trying.

Competition is fierce - hence why we’re so addicted to it.
Can’t wait to see Burnley get torn apart on tv later.

Edited July 29, 2022 by JBiz

[oldjamfan1]

Very good post @JBiz 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Finlay McKenna said:

Are people unaware Nyambe was essentially let go? The contract offer was withdrawn once JDT came in.

The year is 2033 and the BRFCS message board are deep in conversation about Ryan Nyambe leaving for Wigan.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

39 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

There's an excuse for everything with Waggott.

Whether it be players leaving, ticket prices, the state of the stadium.....there's always an excuse.

To me he’s always reactive and never proactive. Unless it comes to selling the training ground of course.

[Tugayisgod]

Morton on his way to Rovers  per Nicko

[arbitro]

49 minutes ago, phili said:

To us fans it's an issue, to Venky's it doesn't matter, they still inject £15-20m a season into the club and seem to be happy for players to leave on a free.

If Venky's have agreed a wage budget and certain maximum levels for player categories in it then there will be no leeway or flexibility with it.

 

 

I can't agree that they are happy to let players leave for free - it's because they don't want to keep putting these extraordinary amounts in that we are seeing these cutbacks. But what about replacing the outgoing players? We have just paid £1m for Nyambes direct replacement and I'd wager he will be on what Nyambe earned on his deal. And what are we going to offer Brereton, are we going to exceed this wage structure? along with Brereton both Travis and Dack are out of contract next year although the club appear to have one year options on them. Will we see another situation like this summer?

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Morton on his way to Rovers  per Nicko

 

 

[Armchair supporter supremo]

8 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Morton on his way to Rovers  per Nicko

Really not getting good vibes about this Morton, seems a bit of a laxadasical Leighton Clarkson, i just think centre midfield is the one area that you need your own men giving everything for the club, not loan players that have the option to just hide away when the going gets tough

Edited July 29, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

Chaddy won’t be happy with that.

[CambridgeRover]

What an underwhelming transfer. 

[Armchair supporter supremo]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Chaddy won’t be happy with that.

To be honest I'm not sure why we're so eager to move him out, he gives  a bit of competition to brittain down the right and offers adequate back up if brittain misses games 

[47er]

36 minutes ago, JBiz said:

You mention 4 at once for example, but those players have their own circumstances. 

And they have one thing in common----they play or played for us. Who else runs things this badly?

Has any other Championship club only made one signing at this stage---ie the day before the season opens?

Why are we so badly run?

[arbitro]

31 minutes ago, JBiz said:

Absolutely, fans should question everything. They should also be reasonable, not just lump issues all into one to point the finger.

You mention 4 at once for example, but those players have their own circumstances. 

1. Rothwell has gone to the premier league and if you believe Waggott we could’ve been remunerated for that - frustrated but understand.

2. Lenihan - 28 year old, wants a big signing on fee and contract as it’ll be the best he’ll ever be on. Wilder has wanted him for 5 years too, I’m sure that played a part.

3. Nyambe - seemingly wanted to move, why would he take a “step back” to Wigan? Or was he lied too. Either way he’s been replaced out of these three.

4. Phillips is leaving? Just a rumour here at moment (suspiciously timed after the thread title change for Magliore hmmm)

Let’s suggest it is Tottenham - someone listed the clubs respective turnover / value compared to ours and it was over 20x bigger… Simple economics would suggest he’d earn a lot more and be set up for life, even if he never plays a senior game for them.

As @unsall rightly and regularly points out, for all the finger pointing at individuals, owners and the club in general, doesn’t take into account three incredibly difficult hurdles.

1. The vast gap between wages bottom half premier league and top half championship - and the not so vast gap in ability levels.

2. FFP - a literal limit / rule on spending to turnover. We spent time in embargo last summer once more, and for all certain posters saying it is an excuse, league 1 has been littered with clubs for 10+ years (including us) who’ve ended up having to “cut their cloth” to 36 year centre-backs like Curtis Davies or Wes Brown.

3. Parachute Payments - the advantage that gives teams over four years makes it fairly impossible for anyone to break that promotion cycle. That’s not to say all teams with them succeed, as they're often a fast way into FFP issues when you fail getting back up after throwing the money at it - look at the signings / issue’s Huddersfield are having after finishing third / losing playoff final last year - I think they’re in the last year of their PP

https://www.90min.com/posts/how-effective-are-the-premier-league-parachute-payments/amp

In conclusion - There’s much more to be done at Ewood in regards to improving results, contract negotiations, turnover, fan dialogue, community liaison etc - but it’s not as if we’re the only club in the 92 trying.

Competition is fierce - hence why we’re so addicted to it.
Can’t wait to see Burnley get torn apart on tv later.

I like to think I am reasonable. I understand that there is a big turnover of players at football clubs and accept that. What frustrates me is that these have walked away for nothing at a time when we seem desperate for cash mainly to be P&S compliant. Parachute payments (of which we were once the beneficiaries) are unfair but they have been with us for some time now and I don't see that changing in the near future.

I agree entirely with your last sentence but sadly I fear they will win.

[davulsukur]

1 minute ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Really not getting good vibes about this Morton, seems a bit of a laxadasical Leighton Clarkson, i just think centre midfield is the one area that you need your own men giving everything for the club, not loan players that have the option to just switch off when the going gets tough

He only got 15mins in their last friendly, came on at half time and then off on the hour.

JDT has repeatedly said we will be playing with a high intensity, winning the ball back quickly when out of possession, there is no way we can take a casual style CM, he's going to need to graft.

I don't know anything about him tbh but surely we've done our homework enough to be sure he fits the style we are trying to implement?

[Exiled_Rover]

4 minutes ago, CambridgeRover said:

What an underwhelming transfer. 

It's just depth, hopefully. Buckley and Travis being the two starters.

Takes pressure off Wharton / Garrett (and I guess Edun?) to hit the ground running.

[JHRover]

Earlier this summer people were suggesting James Brown as a competent Championship RB who could fill in to replace Nyambe.

He's just joined League Two newboys Stockport on loan.

Best of luck to the lad but I think that brings things into perspective. What people think we might have available isn't all that.

[Exiled_Rover]

4 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

To be honest I'm not sure why we're so eager to move him out, he gives  a bit of competition to brittain down the right and offers adequate back up if brittain misses games 

I imagine it's much like Magloire - they've seen him in training for a month and decided he's not up to it.

Shipped his wages out the door for 12 months.