Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[Finlay McKenna]

7 minutes ago, J*B said:

It’s a game of opinions isn’t it!

I’ve seen Brittain play twice for us and probably a couple of times for Barnsley. He never especially stood out against Barnsley, but has played well in his two games for us. Not exceptionally, but well. 

My judgement so far - which is reserve the right to change later - is if we’re playing four at the back then Nyambe was more suited. If we’re playing a wing back then Brittain looks more suited. Nobody knows the numbers, so all of this is based on them both costing the same. 

not as simple as back 4 v back 5 id still have Brittain over Nyambe in this team whether its a 4 or a 5

[Finlay McKenna]

4 minutes ago, rover23 said:

Nyambe was a bang average championship RB who didn’t adapt to the modern game. 

Just because he came through our academy and played 180 games for us, some folk put him on a pedestal. He was paid to do a job.

Bang average player, playing for a bang average Championship side on the whole over the last 4 seasons. 
 

He was paid for his service, he didn’t want to sign new terms and then he’s signed for an inferior team. End of chat. 

Useless going forward and okay defensively as a full back, better suited to centre half in a 3 than anywhere else

[roversfan99]

He definitely has his limitations, I dont think he is anything special and so far so good with his replacement but Nyambe seems to be judged to extreme on both sides.

"Gash for 2 seasons" and not in the Wigan side because he is shit? Blatantly untrue on both counts.

[Finlay McKenna]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

He definitely has his limitations, I dont think he is anything special and so far so good with his replacement but Nyambe seems to be judged to extreme on both sides.

"Gash for 2 seasons" and not in the Wigan side because he is shit? Blatantly untrue on both counts.

Gash is probably a harsh term but he was far from good, like i said useless going forward and alright defensively

[Don Said]

Not quite as simple as saying Nyambe is a better right back in a back 4 than Brittain is.

Years ago, or in your average back 4, maybe so.

But in a Tomasson back 4 where so much is asked of the full backs, including one sticking wide whilst the other comes in almost as a midfielder, having big parts to play in the passing game and needing generally good footballing ability… give me Brittain all day.

[Mike E]

37 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

He hasnt ended up as a reserve. FFS, he has had no pre-season. 

Ofc he's a reserve, he's not displacing the captain.

[tomphil]

12 minutes ago, rover23 said:

Nyambe was a bang average championship RB who didn’t adapt to the modern game. 

Just because he came through our academy and played 180 games for us, some folk put him on a pedestal. He was paid to do a job.

Bang average player, playing for a bang average Championship side on the whole over the last 4 seasons. 
 

He was paid for his service, he didn’t want to sign new terms and then he’s signed for an inferior team. End of chat. 

The fact he came through our academy and was good enough to play 180 games for us is a massive plus considering that's the whole idea.

As for adapting to the modern game well he hasn't been playing that way until a couple of seasons ago and on the other side it seems Pickering hasn't adapted either.  Bell before him couldn't adapt in fact several players have been in that position whilst Ryan mainly made the RB spot his own.

So you are talking shite it's fuck all to do with adapting it's all about him being better at his specialist position which is RB in a back 4.  And that's only because he can't cross pass or create at the other end everything else about his game is decent.

Imo he'll probably end up at Wigan or somewhere else as right sided in a back 3 and be very good at it.

Thankfully now we have a recruitment team who can perhaps bring in horses for courses instead of Mowbrays make your feet fit the shoe policy.

[Adam C]

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

Lad has been with us for how many years and some neandathals on here attacking him. Came throuigh the academy. Great look for any futures kids coming through. Leave and Mani labels you as shit. 

I’m sure our youth system will fall apart at the seams now that “mani” on BRFCS.com is gunning for them. Dry your eyes.

We don’t owe Nyambe anything. He was here for a long time, played a lot of games, but his game didn’t develop as planned and he turned down a contract offer to try his luck elsewhere. Early signs are that it hasn’t worked out for him as well as it has for us. That’s good for Rovers and shite for Nyambe. Football sucks sometimes. Don’t lose your cool because someone on a message board has a different opinion to you. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

Bloody hell, I hope we win tomorrow.

[mustard]

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

You again are now judging Nyambe vs 2 games with our new RB. he has started ok, nothing special. Good pedigree and looks to be a decent player. Fans of his former club say he cant defend. 

I'd say positionally so far he has looked better than Nyambe.  Time will tell of course but he's yet to get caught out of position, which was quite regular with RN, he just had the pace to get back thankfully.  It's clear to see as an attacking threat and general ballplayer Brittain is far superior.  However, I would fancy Nyambe in a one on one defensively due to his sheer physicality.

[Oldgregg86]

I think the frustrating thing with Ryan is some games you watch him and think if he could just tweek this or learn from that we have a real player and seasons past and we were all saying and thinking the same thing from when he was a year or so in from making his debut. He could kick on and really be a quality player but I don’t think he will get much better now. He definitely would have been handy to have in the squad , I don’t think that’s up for debate tbh

Edited August 13, 2022 by Oldgregg86

[RoverKyle]

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

Look stats. When he did and didnt play.

Im logging off else ill get banned. Disappointing to see so many ' he is shit anyway' morons. Kids was with the club many years, put in close to 200 appearances. 

Jason Lowe racked up a load of appearances coming out of our academy. That's not a great measure of quality for the argument. 

Don't necessarily disagree on your feelings about Nyambe though. He'd developed into a really solid defender for us after many years of frustration and I was disappointed that he left on a free (as I'm sure he is now). He had a lot of shortcomings though, especially in an attacking sense which has become a really important trait in modern day football for a full back. 

[frosty]

2 hours ago, Vilesinner said:

He's definitely better going forward. 

Myth. In fact I’m not even sure what JRC is good at.

[oldjamfan1]

2 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Nyambe was nothing but a model professional who, in my opinion, was mistreated by TM.

See this is the sort of thing I can’t get my head around. I’m no Tony Mowbray apologist but how was Nyambe ‘mistreated’ by him?

He left him out for the odd game, gave him a kick up the arse very occasionally, but also gave him what, nigh on 200 starts in the team?

 

[J*B]

One things for sure, I liked that Nyambe could fill in at centre back. That was especially useful.

Imagine if Scott Wharton had picked up a knock in training, say yesterday, and we only had Ayala fit to play centre back for a clash with WBA? 

[Sparks Rover]

12 minutes ago, J*B said:

One things for sure, I liked that Nyambe could fill in at centre back. That was especially useful.

Imagine if Scott Wharton had picked up a knock in training, say yesterday, and we only had Ayala fit to play centre back for a clash with WBA? 

Yes, RN is first and foremost a defender.  A much better defender than Brittain.  So, it depends what you want....RN has a roughly 80%+ tackle success opposed to CB around 70%......whereas CB has 8 assists in the last 2 seasons and RN just the one.  If JDT intends on a 4 then he should have kept RN and the bonus of him being able to fill in RCB, or if its a 352 then Brittain is better.

I prefer RN personally and believe that Mogadon should have worked on his assists instead of pissing him about putting Bennett in etc...

Edited August 13, 2022 by Sparks Rover

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 minutes ago, J*B said:

One things for sure, I liked that Nyambe could fill in at centre back. That was especially useful.

Imagine if Scott Wharton had picked up a knock in training, say yesterday, and we only had Ayala fit to play centre back for a clash with WBA? 

And then Ayala cries off in the warm up again. We’d have Phillips and Pickering playing there with Pears to come on as sub.

[Maphsa]

I don't post often, but I'll weigh in on the Nyambe debate. I feel he was a reasonable player at this level, but after 4 seasons he really didn't improve at all and I think we definitely needed to move on if we intend to improve. I think there's a very contrast view on here, with many rating him highly and others not. 

Personally, I think his positioning was awful defensively, but made up for it with his pace. I found he was often caught out of position, but was able to track back well enough sometimes to make up for it. This for me is the reason he didn't make a step up after leaving us and ended up at Wigan; top players don't often find themselves out of position like I felt Nyambe did. Going forward there was definitely a lot to be desired and I can't remember any successful crosses from him.

Looking at some of the players now (I accept it's early on) but maybe it was TM that was holding him back; that certainly seems to be the case with Travis. Unfortunately we didn't get to see whether this was the case, but I definitely think Brittain is an upgrade and feel we're going in the right direction here.

We definitely need a better back up than JRC at right back, but then he's a winger that's been shoehorned into the position.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, Maphsa said:

I don't post often, but I'll weigh in on the Nyambe debate. I feel he was a reasonable player at this level, but after 4 seasons he really didn't improve at all and I think we definitely needed to move on if we intend to improve. I think there's a very contrast view on here, with many rating him highly and others not. 

Personally, I think his positioning was awful defensively, but made up for it with his pace. I found he was often caught out of position, but was able to track back well enough sometimes to make up for it. This for me is the reason he didn't make a step up after leaving us and ended up at Wigan; top players don't often find themselves out of position like I felt Nyambe did. Going forward there was definitely a lot to be desired and I can't remember any successful crosses from him.

Looking at some of the players now (I accept it's early on) but maybe it was TM that was holding him back; that certainly seems to be the case with Travis. Unfortunately we didn't get to see whether this was the case, but I definitely think Brittain is an upgrade and feel we're going in the right direction here.

We definitely need a better back up than JRC at right back, but then he's a winger that's been shoehorned into the position.

 

Do you honestly think players at Championship level just run out and play wherever  they feel like playing ? He’ll have been playing exactly where he was told to play by the coaching staff. Anybody who disregarded their explicit instructions would have the hard word. If they ignored that they would  be subbed.

[1864roverite]

2 hours ago, JacknOry said:

No it was the clubs choice not to sort out his contract. 

It was the players choice and his alone 

[Upside Down]

Isn't there a Ryan Nyambe thread?

Go and have this discussion over there.

This is the crisps and biscuits thread.

[Maphsa]

15 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Do you honestly think players at Championship level just run out and play wherever  they feel like playing ? He’ll have been playing exactly where he was told to play by the coaching staff. Anybody who disregarded their explicit instructions would have the hard word. If they ignored that they would  be subbed.

Obviously not, I didn't say that. I'm saying that his awareness and positioning was not what it should have been from a 'top player' at this level. You can play 'what is expected of you' whilst still doing the basics right. Nymabe didn't do this and I don't think you can put it directly down to the manager.

Attacking-wise, I think he likely would have improved under JDT as I feel TM wasn't very good in this respect, but I definitely there was a lot more to be desired from him defensively than some make out.

 

[Finlay McKenna]

43 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

It was the players choice and his alone 

Had little choice in the end, we withdrew the offer.

[Finlay McKenna]

29 minutes ago, Maphsa said:

Obviously not, I didn't say that. I'm saying that his awareness and positioning was not what it should have been from a 'top player' at this level. You can play 'what is expected of you' whilst still doing the basics right. Nymabe didn't do this and I don't think you can put it directly down to the manager.

Attacking-wise, I think he likely would have improved under JDT as I feel TM wasn't very good in this respect, but I definitely there was a lot more to be desired from him defensively than some make out.

 

Think people make out he was a good player defensively because he was good 1 on 1, that was about as far as his defensive capabilities stretched as a full back

[Maphsa]

7 minutes ago, Finlay McKenna said:

Think people make out he was a good player defensively because he was good 1 on 1, that was about as far as his defensive capabilities stretched as a full back

Yeah I agree with this. His move to Wigan and his lack of game time there so far back this up. He's decent at this level, but doesn't look like he'll get any better than average championship level.