Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[roversfan99]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:23, RevidgeBlue said:

Steady on  you'll get accused of being '"special" or an "attention seeker".

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The reason people presumably reacted so negatively because of the cryptic nature of your rumour, which required a couple of pages of questions before it came to pass.

Do you have a source or a screenshot/post that you can show, assuming it is from social media?

[PeteJD13]

  On 19/08/2022 at 15:16, RevidgeBlue said:

To be fair Carvalhal seemingly turned us down because he wanted to bring his entire team in.

Hearing there's a possibility Sunderland fans might soon be very happy and we'll soon be very upset.

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I’ve heard the same think jpvh won’t look as good in stripes 

[PeteJD13]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:25, Miller11 said:

I did think twice about posting to be honest, I wanted to make it very clear it was just a whisper I’d heard. Rumours people want to hear tend to be a really well received on here compared to those people don’t want to be true!

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I’ve heard this as well it’s a different source to yours so it’s got legs 

[phili]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:25, roversfan99 said:

Fair enough. If you choose to believe and judge baseless rumours, adding on speculated rumoured bids for players we didn't sign etc, then you seemingly will be with the majority on here, but I will continue to judge the owners on what is spent, not on what apparently could have been but wasn't.

I believe the last bit about loans, no idea on whether they were "very good," I presume you know the names? Connolly and Forss were linked, neither of which could be described as such.

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Venky's want Premier League football. Several Indian consortiums have looked at clubs in the past year including Chelsea and Leeds. The amount of abuse, mocking etc if that happens in Indian media for them will be huge. Only way to stop that is if we go up or look like we will.

Also in the past 2 seasons we've spent close to £10m on loans so not a trivial amount as you seem to think.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:28, roversfan99 said:

.Do you have a source or a screenshot/post that you can show, assuming it is from social media?

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Yes I do, and no I can't show it because I would rather that source remained confidential.

It really isn't worth sharing anything you hear on here. There's never any cast iron guarantee it will come to pass but you never get any acknowledgement or recognition for breaking it first if it turns out to be correct, only pelters if it doesn't.

[Kcaj93]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:23, RevidgeBlue said:

Steady on  you'll get accused of being '"special" or an "attention seeker".

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He actually confirmed who the player was whereas you was having everyone play a game of transfer guess who. If you had originally said I've heard van hecke could be off to Sunderland then we would have avoided all of this. Instead you wanted everyone to list off every player we have been linked with

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:37, phili said:

Also in the past 2 seasons we've spent close to £10m on loans so not a trivial amount as you seem to think.

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People tend to assume loans are more or less free whereas the reality is for anyone half decent it's likely to be a loan fee of at least £1m p.a. plus £10k p.w. in wages.

[JHRover]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:37, phili said:

Venky's want Premier League football. Several Indian consortiums have looked at clubs in the past year including Chelsea and Leeds. The amount of abuse, mocking etc if that happens in Indian media for them will be huge. Only way to stop that is if we go up or look like we will.

Also in the past 2 seasons we've spent close to £10m on loans so not a trivial amount as you seem to think.

 

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And yet despite being in the top 2 in January they spent a couple of hundred grand and let Mowbray take us on another death spiral before stinking the place out with his behaviour in the last 10 games.

Could have fooled me.

[JHRover]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:42, RevidgeBlue said:

People tend to assume loans are more or less free whereas the reality is for anyone half decent it's likely to be a loan fee of at least £1m p.a. plus £10k p.w. in wages.

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Maybe true. And brings £0 financial return to the club. Which begs the question why we keep on doing it rather than investing in players on permanent deals that will deliver us a financial return

 

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:42, JHRover said:

And yet despite being in the top 2 in January they spent a couple of hundred grand and let Mowbray take us on another death spiral before stinking the place out with his behaviour in the last 10 games.

Could have fooled me.

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The money (for fees)  was there!

Just as it is now. Presumably we are struggling to get people in because of the self imposed wage structure.

[Sweaty Gussets]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:23, RevidgeBlue said:

Steady on  you'll get accused of being '"special" or an "attention seeker".

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He posted what he heard. You didn't. 

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:43, JHRover said:

Maybe true. And brings £0 financial return to the club. Which begs the question why we keep on doing it rather than investing in players on permanent deals that will deliver us a financial return

 

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I agree.

[JHRover]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:45, RevidgeBlue said:

The money (for fees)  was there!

Just as it is now. Presumably we are struggling to get people in because of the self imposed wage structure.

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Course it was. Yet we never spend it. Strange that.

[Exiled_Rover]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:34, PeteJD13 said:

I’ve heard this as well it’s a different source to yours so it’s got legs 

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Suddenly everyone has sources that they've been quietly sitting on for 500 pages. 🤣

[Exiled_Rover]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:42, JHRover said:

And yet despite being in the top 2 in January they spent a couple of hundred grand and let Mowbray take us on another death spiral before stinking the place out with his behaviour in the last 10 games.

Could have fooled me.

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Probably why he couldn't get them on the phone when he wanted a contract extension in the Spring.

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:46, Exiled_Rover said:

Suddenly everyone has sources that they've been quietly sitting on for 500 pages. 🤣

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This rumour about JPVH has only surfaced this afternoon as far as Im aware.

[RevidgeBlue]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:18, JHRover said:

So we have to miss out on quality players, gamble the season away and 'guarantee' a 17 year old first team football to try to persuade him to stay?

Get rid if that's the case.

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I wouldn't have thought JPVH going elsewhere (if it happens) is linked to Phillips.

Phillips hasn't even committed to us yet either.

[Dreams of 1995]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:38, RevidgeBlue said:

Yes I do, and no I can't show it because I would rather that source remained confidential.

It really isn't worth sharing anything you hear on here. There's never any cast iron guarantee it will come to pass but you never get any acknowledgement or recognition for breaking it first if it turns out to be correct, only pelters if it doesn't.

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Dunno why you care what they think Rev

You are replying to a guy who puts “seemingly” in front of everything he posts. Presumably (😃) to give himself plausible deniability when it doesn’t happen or isn’t true 

Keep posting, the more rumours the better, it’s not like the press bother much with us! 

[yeti-dog]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:42, Kcaj93 said:

He actually confirmed who the player was whereas you was having everyone play a game of transfer guess who. If you had originally said I've heard van hecke could be off to Sunderland then we would have avoided all of this. Instead you wanted everyone to list off every player we have been linked with

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You need to calm down a bit fella ...he shared a bit of info and you were all over him like a cheap suit. 

I've no issue with people sharing stuff and no issue with them not revealing sources just because you had a paddy and stamped your feet like a petulant child.

[whalleyrover]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:37, phili said:

Venky's want Premier League football. Several Indian consortiums have looked at clubs in the past year including Chelsea and Leeds. The amount of abuse, mocking etc if that happens in Indian media for them will be huge. Only way to stop that is if we go up or look like we will.

Also in the past 2 seasons we've spent close to £10m on loans so not a trivial amount as you seem to think.

 

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If they want PL football, why did they not strengthen in January, remove TM during the death spiralas would have happened anywhere else or hired a proven manager this season.

[tomphil]

  On 19/08/2022 at 16:54, LDRover said:

This particular squad member was!!

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Tony Mowbray and Steve Waggot

[phili]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:53, whalleyrover said:

If they want PL football, why did they not strengthen in January, remove TM during the death spiralas would have happened anywhere else or hired a proven manager this season.

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They put a new system in place and did hire a good manager for this season.

Their issue is if they like you they are very loyal.

[yeti-dog]

  On 19/08/2022 at 17:53, whalleyrover said:

If they want PL football, why did they not strengthen in January, remove TM during the death spiralas would have happened anywhere else or hired a proven manager this season.

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I think it's unarguable that Mowbray was allowed to outstay his welcome. He should have gone after the 2020-21 season when the signings he was allowed to make suggest that was a 'going for it' season and we all know how that turned out.

[yeti-dog]

  On 19/08/2022 at 18:00, phili said:

They put a new system in place and did hire a good manager for this season.

Their issue is if they like you they are very loyal.

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All very laudable but loyalty in the football world usually gets you nowhere.

[JHRover]

  On 19/08/2022 at 18:00, phili said:

They put a new system in place and did hire a good manager for this season.

Their issue is if they like you they are very loyal.

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So their loyalty comes before their wish to get promoted then. So they don't really want to get promoted because if they did they would stop at nothing to do it. Including removing a manager who was delivering relegation form and stinking the club out from February onwards.