Transfer Window - COMPLETE. Where’s Gregg?

[Armchair supporter supremo]

Just now, TimmyJimmy said:

Agree fully.

I'd add that IMO Nyambe was already his best self, he'd never get any better. He was strong defensively but weak going forward mainly because he had no idea what to do with the ball when reached the other end of the pitch. Constantly caught out of position, constantly injured. He was one of our own so sad he's moving on but from a purely footballing point of view we can do better.

Selling Nyambe, Lenihan and Rothwell in the last transfer window wouldn't have gone well with us would it. In and around 2nd place and then we sell the captain and an attacking midfielder, can't see that as being well received.

We were always going to lose these three and it probably made sense to give it one last big heave at promotion before lettting them go.

Crappy situations happen, we move on. There's better out there in all positions and I think we will find them. If it costs Venky's money then who cares.

On a seperate note I think TM lost the plot with this whole 'you've got to be a nice guy to join our club' thing. Pro spirt needs an arrogant even nasty side to a blokes make up. We ended up with a dressing room full of boy scouts. Time to move on and them three leaving and JDT/GB joining is the stepping off point for a new adventure.

On balance I'm glad they're gone.

I agree absolutely.... Shearer, Bellamy, Hendry, Savage, Batty, Diof.... To name just a tiny few where nasty bastards on the pitch and probably just a twatty of it. 

 

As long as theyre murderers, cretinous perverts, violent wife beaters etc.. Then it shouldn't really matter, As long as they turn up on time for training and give all they've got on match day then it's pretty irrelevant. 

[Armchair supporter supremo]

58 minutes ago, 47er said:

For nothing?

Frustrating, but the contracts have been there for them to sign for a long time... If they don't sign then what more can be done, none of them are worth changing or breaking the clubs wage structure for. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

13 minutes ago, 47er said:

For nothing?

That is the issue. They go for £10 million and we stand a really good chance of replacing them all with decent players. Go for nothing and you’re shopping in “ Pound Land “ , hoping to get lucky. Well we might get lucky with one player, but three ?

Edited June 24, 2022 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[TimmyJimmy]

1 minute ago, 47er said:

For nothing?

I think to counter question is 'when was the right time to sell them'. Mid season whilst pushing for a play off place?

Tough choice, money or being competitive.

My understanding is that we tried to get them to sign new contracts way back but they refused. We knew pretty much all season they were going so when was the right time.

One route forward is to throw money at the problem but what does life look like without a wage structure? Tough choices to make.

I'm minded of that comment that came from a White House advisor (at least that's where I first heard it), for every difficult question there is always one simple, easily understood, obvious wrong answer. I'm no champion of the Rovers board but sometimes crap happens in triplicate.

The king/s are dead, long live the king/s. Time to move on.

[matt83]

Once it becomes apparent that players in the dying embers of their contracts aren’t prepared to sign if they’ve got any value you cash in. Presumably the rovers hierarchy gambled they’d sign and once again look foolish in that they neither attempted to get a fee nor were able to get them to sign. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by matt83

[Exiled_Rover]

9 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Our model is now producing championship standard players for other clubs to snap up for free.  Supported by the occasional big money Prem move ( for guys we paid millions for anyway )

Great, i'm sure Brentford are flattered we are doing so well in following their model.

Meanwhile another fixed asset is probably being eyed up for 'transfer'.

Brentford don't have an Academy, so there's no model to follow.

[glen9mullan]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Several postings as to the relative capabilites of Nyambe, Lenihan and Rothwell.

Even if these lads aren't as good or influential as some would have us believe, we've lost 3 of our better players for absolutely nothing whilst as contracted players, we would have expected £7/8million+.

These players have to be replaced and as a team we are intrinsically weaker just by having to use part of our budget to plug the gaps with replacements, never mind strengthening other areas of the team, who may prove to be not half as good as the lads who've gone.

I think it's appalling, yet again, mismanagement and the buck has to stop with our CEO.  One may question our owners but, if you have, IMO, a vacuous buffoon as CEO, you are destined to fail big time.

Saves me posting my thoughts

[RoversClitheroe]

Scott Twine to Burnley 

[Exiled_Rover]

24 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

If that’s the case the model we are trying to implement is doomed to fail from the off. If the only players that have any value are a Brereton or Armstrong, unearthing one of them every year or two is going to be a really difficult task.

Well firstly they both took 3 years to blossom, so you have to plan accordingly. 

Secondly, that's why you have Broughton in place - it's his job to find said talent. Otherwise why is he here?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

How is that possible under FFP?

Because they're expecting 15-20 mil from Spence.

See the difference tho? They sell and replace/reinvest. We simply don't.

All the talk about the Brentford model from TM, they spent millions upon millions. But all of it from transfer fees.

We 'gained' 30+mil last summer from Armstrong and the training ground, and spent 500k.

[Darwen Rover 007]

1 hour ago, Neal said:

Rovers shopping list...

 

Styles, Brittain and Helik all from Barnsley

 

Colak and Anel Ahmedhodzic

 

Couple of good prem loans. 

 

 

 

Thanks is this inside info? Or your opinion? 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

16 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Our model is now producing championship standard players for other clubs to snap up for free.  Supported by the occasional big money Prem move ( for guys we paid millions for anyway )

Great, i'm sure Brentford are flattered we are doing so well in following their model.

Meanwhile another fixed asset is probably being eyed up for 'transfer'.

And any really outstanding young talent we may stumble across gets snapped up for a pittance before they even make the first team. That’s the likely outcome with Phillips.

If Mike England was playing today, he’d have been gone before pulling on a first team shirt. 

[Tricky]

7 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Scott Twine to Burnley 

we cant be selling BBD if we've any real desire of competing

[Butty]

7 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Scott Twine to Burnley 

Ballard and Twine in two days, both great signings. They need to bring plenty of players in like but then again so do we!!! 

[Guest]

However, I'm also massively of the opinion that Nyambe in particular wasn't worth anywhere near what others are saying. Talks of 3mil being pissed away is laughable. He's been looking for a new club for over a year now and still can't find one and that's with him being free! Average right back, would amaze me if he joined any team that finished above us last season.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

However, I'm also massively of the opinion that Nyambe in particular wasn't worth anywhere near what others are saying. Talks of 3mil being pissed away is laughable. He's been looking for a new club for over a year now and still can't find one and that's with him being free! Average right back, would amaze me if he joined any team that finished above us last season.

If you’re playing four at the back he’s the right back you want. If we get a better player for that position I’ll be surprised. How many attempts have we had at getting a good left back ? If you rolled them all together you wouldn’t have a good ‘un.

[Exiled_Rover]

7 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

And any really outstanding young talent we may stumble across gets snapped up for a pittance before they even make the first team. That’s the likely outcome with Phillips.

If Mike England was playing today, he’d have been gone before pulling on a first team shirt. 

Yep, sadly that's the stranglehold the PL has on the game in this country.

[Exiled_Rover]

13 minutes ago, Tricky said:

we cant be selling BBD if we've any real desire of competing

If we sell Brereton for £20m and don't invest half of it back into transfers / wages, then yes we have no real desire to compete.

Edited June 24, 2022 by Exiled_Rover

[tomphil]

20 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Brentford don't have an Academy, so there's no model to follow.

Buy low, use them, sell high, 

Bring through youth, polish them, use them, sell them.

Academy or no academy that's the dynamics of it we were supposed to be basing our model on, although granted this Brentford talk a while back was being used as an excuse to sell the land and downgrade again.

All amounts to the same thing, bringing players through then letting them go for nothing isn't sustainable in the long term.

Edited June 24, 2022 by tomphil

[pomster]

1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

You’ve worked it out cost wise? There are more than enough free players out there who would snap the wages up in a heartbeat

As usual, you missed the point!

Have a rethink or read again

[Neal]

7 minutes ago, Darwen Rover 007 said:

Thanks is this inside info? Or your opinion? 

Noooo, I'm no ITK. Although we have been credited with interest in Styles (Jan bid apparently), Brittain and Ahmedhodzic. 

 

Styles I think has become a much more difficult one to get now because of his Hungary performances. Forest and Fulham both sniffing round. 

[Torgeir]

43 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

says who? Who are these top players? 

Got to trust Broughton and JDT here. They will have plenty of options to sign for the vacant first choice right back

We don't know what budget was last January but Mowbray still was biding for players and signed 5 players. Wasted Giles, Hedge told he needs to leave the system 

The Stoke Rumour was last summer not recent one unless I miss a rumour.

Says me. We have failed to retain the services of three mainstays, while succeeding to renew the contracts of Kaminski and Travis. We can attract a few youngsters who are looking for a step up, but as I see things we're behind in the pecking order due to current wage structure. 

[Torgeir]

1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

What a load of tripe the big money of the past is where it will stay Rovers offer a decent wage look at turnover ratio to wages - Nyambe has backpedaled a bit indicating a willingness to sign but then rowing back! Agent clearly at work 

It was no more than a reality check. We'll know the answer once the window slams shut. 

[Mattyblue]

End of the day there’s just over a month till kick off and we no longer have the services of Nyambe, Lenihan, Van Hecke, Rothwell, Khadra and (in all likelihood) BBD.

That’s over half of the first choice side gone, plus other squad players have departed.

It’s some job to have us ready. Let’s hope GB has the contacts, and an actual budget that can be competitive in this league because it looks a bloody big rebuilding job to me.

Edited June 24, 2022 by Mattyblue

[TheRevAshton]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

End of the day there’s just over a month till kick off and we no longer have the services of Nyambe, Lenihan, Van Hecke, Rothwell, Khadra and (in all likelihood) BBD.

That’s over half of the first choice side gone, plus other squad players have departed.

It’s some job to have us ready. Let’s hope GB has the contacts, and an actual budget that can be competitive in this league.

Time is certainly running out on us, we need to complete about 6 signings/loans before then - the sooner the better since JDT will need to get them on the same page as the rest of the team.

The season starts in 36 days, to complete 6 signings before then we'd need to sign a player every 6 days - we need to get our asses in gear pronto.