Tony Mowbray

[matt83]

11 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Being ambitious and wanting the absolute best for something that is hugely important to most of us is being entitled now. And that is from one of our own supporters. Some will shrug their shoulders and accept anything without dissent. They must be the 'real fans' I hear about.

 

Some people confuse expecting with hoping. Every club from about 15th upwards has a shot of making the play offs in any given season. Then a few like Burnley, blackpool, etc occasionally go up. The likes of Barnsley and this season Luton and Huddersfield make the play offs.

After 5 years of Mowbray it’s clear we will never get into the playoffs there is no expectation of this happening under any one but there’s no hope of it under Mowbray so roll the dice. Supporters with no hope at any club are not a fanbase and might as well not turn up at all if they lose hope . 

Edited April 30, 2022 by matt83

[davulsukur]

22 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Being ambitious and wanting the absolute best for something that is hugely important to most of us is being entitled now. And that is from one of our own supporters. Some will shrug their shoulders and accept anything without dissent. They must be the 'real fans' I hear about.

 

Agreed.

Wouldn't matter if I supported Rovers or Sutton Utd, I'd always want the best for the club and as long as it looked like the people in charge were making decisions for the benefit of the club, I'd be happy with that.

[RevidgeBlue]

10 hours ago, LDRover said:

These posts blaming the fans and talking of entitlement don't half piss me off.

So, take post 92 away, how often in the 80s were we at the top end of this division, going head to head with top teams and narrowly missing out when we didn't have a pot to literally piss in. With gates of 7k in a shithole of a stadium with a record signing of 90k? With honest players and managers who bought in to the club, fans and area and didn't spend half their lives trying to make us feel grateful they were representing us like Teflon Tony does.

Now that was punching above our weight, not scratching around for mid table in a piss poor league with a 12 million strikeforce.

What a great post.

Should be framed and placed on every wall in the corridors of power at Ewood.

[rigger]

10 hours ago, SuperBrfc said:

Isn't it amazing how Honeyman twice aims jabs at the Rovers fans for being 'entitled', mentions how we shouldn't boo our own players, then we get this post tonight?

Mr blue and white calling us out for loud booing at Ewood.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just another one of their cronies, allegedly. You can stick your excuses for mediocrity. This is Blackburn Rovers, like your client told us four years ago.

What's wrong with feeling entitled ? With the amount of time, money and effort I have put into supporting the Rovers over the past 50 odd years, yes I feel I am entitled.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Is "turgid" a fair (or indeed) accurate description of a Championship record of 2x 15th finishes, an 11th place finish and likely an 8th or 9th place finish over 4 years, with resources within that range, perhaps towards the lower end? 

No top 6, no relegation worries in any full seasons. Mediocre, ok, decent.

Also, we shouldnt treat tomorrow as a dead rubber, its beyond a long shot but until its mathematically over, why just throw in the towel?

I don’t agree that we’ve not had relegation worries.

[Upside Down]

13 minutes ago, rigger said:

What's wrong with feeling entitled ? With the amount of time, money and effort I have put into supporting the Rovers over the past 50 odd years, yes I feel I am entitled.

We are all entitled to more than what we have been given over the last 12 years. 

The only people who have a sense of unfounded entitlement are the agents and shysters that have infested and destroyed this club from within.

[K-Hod]

11 hours ago, blue_and_white said:

I seriously doubt Rovers fans spent decades after WW1 moaning that we weren't living up to our history of winning the FA Cup 5 times and the league twice. I reckon they accepted that our situation had changed, big city clubs had properly got involved in football, and those days were past. When we got relegated, 90% of our income vanished and our situation changed. History contributes jack to present circumstances. It scores 0 goals, keeps 0 clean sheets, wins 0 corners, retains 0% possession and adds 0 points.

Yeah Burnley and Bournemouth have recently made it into the PL. Whilst clubs like Forest, Derby, Middlesbrough, Stoke, Coventry, Bristol City, Cardiff (all much bigger crowds than us), Sunderland, Sheff Wed, Ipswich, Charlton, Bolton, Portsmouth (all getting bigger crowds than us a league below) and Bradford (bigger crowds 2 leagues below) haven't. So why should we expect to be the tiny minority doing better instead of the large majority doing the same/worse?

This entitled attitude has been ingrained in Rovers fans for 30 years now, and other clubs fans rightly mock us for it. It seems to be the inevitable price of a period of incredible success. I just thought 10 years after getting relegated, fans might have finally started getting real by now. But no, its blame the manager. The abuse Mowbray has got this season is disgraceful, I'm not surprised he wants to go and heaven help the next poor sod.

I know loads of people that support other clubs and not one of them has ever said to me that they think Rovers fans are entitled. But you obviously wouldn’t be making that part up, would you?

[arbitro]

Being entitled is a real slur. I object to that term being used to describe any of us who simply wants the best for us. I don't expect success but I want it. There is a marked difference between the two and the poster is insulting us by his insinuation. 

[Mattyblue]

Christ knows who’s he’s been speaking too (taking an odd post from here and making it fit the whole fanbase, most likely)

The present day fan at Ewood now has very low expectations… which is why the surprise (though alas very short) charge up the table was met with such unbridled and unexpected joy…
 

[matt83]

21 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Christ knows who’s he’s been speaking too (taking an odd post from here and making it fit the whole fanbase, most likely)

The present day fan at Ewood now has very low expectations… which is why the surprise (though alas very short) charge up the table was met with such unbridled and unexpected joy…
 

I’d say after 12 years of the Venkys most fans have zero expectations. If as a fan your only expectation was they cleaned the cladding on the ground you’d still be disappointed let alone finish in the top third. 

[tomphil]

I'm loving the hindsight on display in the LT comments section this morning.

So we should have let Tony sell Rothwell and bring in who he had lined up then we'd have stayed in the top 6.  It's all down to that why we fell away after the seed was planted and has grown in the empty heads.

3 wins in 16 since the window shut - despite 4 signings - and it's all down to us keeping one of our better players 🙄

I give up.

[martonrover]

Absolutely incredible that someone thinks Mowbray has suffered abuse.

As an example, the crowd’s response to yet another disappointment v Stoke can only be described as meek acceptance.

Neither the owners, manager or players are subject to abuse during games.

People have a right to express their views on a message board, but even on here it’s certainly not toxic or below the belt.

We must be amongst the most tolerant supporters around.

 

[matt83]

11 minutes ago, tomphil said:

I'm loving the hindsight on display in the LT comments section this morning.

So we should have let Tony sell Rothwell and bring in who he had lined up then we'd have stayed in the top 6.  It's all down to that why we fell away after the seed was planted and has grown in the empty heads.

3 wins in 16 since the window shut - despite 4 signings - and it's all down to us keeping one of our better players 🙄

I give up.

Christ almighty.

So not selling Rothwell is the reason this seasons death spiral isn’t Teflon’s fault. Ok. What about the rest of his managerial career then. Who’s fault was it in 2020/21 when were 3 points off the play offs in Jan and finished 15th. Who’s fault was it in 2019/20 when we were again 3 points off the play offs at Xmas and finished 11th. Who’s fault was it in 2018/19 when were 2 points off the play offs in January and finished 15th. Who’s fault was it in 2015/16 when he was at Coventry who were 4th at Xmas and finished 8th. Who’s fault was it at Middlesbrough in 2012/13 when they were 3rd at Xmas and finished 16th. Who’s fault was it in 2011/12 where Middlesbrough were 2nd at Xmas and finished 7th.

[K-Hod]

People have seemingly redefined criticism to abuse to suit an argument. 
Some of the criticism definitely crosses a line, but most of it is anger and frustration that we were 2nd in February and now we are 8th and as good as out of the race.

I’d say it was weird if any Rovers fan wasn’t angry about that collapse tbh.

[Mattyblue]

Just shows how long we have been in this stupor as a fanbase, if a smattering of half hearted booing after yet another piss poor performance and an odd ‘sort it out’ chant by a hundred or so in NO1 classes as ‘vicious abuse’.

[Gav]

19 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

 

I’d say it was weird if any Rovers fan wasn’t angry about that collapse tbh.

With a threadbare squad, no transfer budget and loan signings being the model this year, the writing was on the wall in August.

Mowbray got the best he could out of this set if players in my opinion, but it was never going to last. So I’m not angry with the slump, it was predictable and the owners are to blame as 12yrs have shown.

Yes they’ll replace the manager and repeat, as soon as you identify where the real issues sits, watching the team becomes much more bearable, or at least it does for me.

Edited April 30, 2022 by Gav

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

One fact tells me all I need to know about Mowbray’s reign and why I want a change. How many times have we come from behind to win a game ?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

10 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

People have seemingly redefined criticism to abuse to suit an argument. 
Some of the criticism definitely crosses a line, but most of it is anger and frustration that we were 2nd in February and now we are 8th and as good as out of the race.

I’d say it was weird if any Rovers fan wasn’t angry about that collapse tbh.

It’s not just that we’ve ballsed up our best chance in 10 years, it’s the repercussions this seasons failures will have on next season.

[chaddyrovers]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont doubt that we need to change manager but your naivety and lack of ability to learn from the past in regards to what will likely happen this summer baffles me, we arent an efficiently run club.

I also think you underestimate the difficulty in getting a top 6 place under these owners with our comparative resources, it isnt impossible by any means but it would be a very good achievement. 

You thinking that a new manager just has to do what you have outlined (ignoring considerable selection differences

Lambert was quickly line up and probably before we sacked Bowyer. 

We were in the top 2 this season and he had nearly 15 million plus to spend and wages spend. I am fed up with excuses from people over the lack of funding he has had cos he had more than enough time and money. Nathan Jones at Luton or Carlos Corberan at Huddersfield haven't had loads of money and nothing like what Mowbray has but both are in the playoffs places

A new manager looks at the strengths of your squad and should play according. The way we played against PNE is the blue print how we should be playing and I would implented throughout the club football structure. On the Selection differences, Yes we will lose Van Hecke and Rothwell from that team for sure. I think Brereton Diaz will go, but I think Lenihan will re-sign this summer, so hat leaves a good starting line up

[Guest]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Lambert was quickly line up and probably before we sacked Bowyer. 

We were in the top 2 this season and he had nearly 15 million plus to spend and wages spend. I am fed up with excuses from people over the lack of funding he has had cos he had more than enough time and money. Nathan Jones at Luton or Carlos Corberan at Huddersfield haven't had loads of money and nothing like what Mowbray has but both are in the playoffs places

A new manager looks at the strengths of your squad and should play according. The way we played against PNE is the blue print how we should be playing and I would implented throughout the club football structure. On the Selection differences, Yes we will lose Van Hecke and Rothwell from that team for sure. I think Brereton Diaz will go, but I think Lenihan will re-sign this summer, so hat leaves a good starting line up

It leaves a starting lineup with no CM, RB or goal scorer…

[Guest]

I think we’re all on the same page re: Mowbray’s time being up. Some will think worse of him than others, just like some said Coyle was atrocious and others say it was a poisoned chalice and he had no chance. 

It’s almost pointless at this stage having a discussion about what went wrong, we all know. The five at the back no strikers for 15 games has cost us. I’ve heard plenty of loud whispers the players wanted the change to a flat 4 long before Preston. Mowbray thought even playing that badly, we must get a few wins in there and it backfired on him. 

Unfortunately there won’t be any accountability for this collapse, TM will be gone next season and Waggott will be lucky not to follow. Lowe and Venus should follow suit and DJ should go back to the 23’s. V’s will interview 5 managers and give it to the one they’ll get least aggro off, we’ll sign a few free agents and go back to mid table finishes and dwindling ST sales.

This summer is an opportunity for a disaster but it’s also an opportunity for a fresh start. I can list 10 managers that would get some ambition back in the supporter base if they were hired. I always remember the feeling of Preston away in lamberts first game in charge. A genuine recognised backroom team and a manager who’d been there and done it. They are out there and the pull of Blackburn Rovers (or any championship job) is not one easily turned down, if offered. Farke, Rooney, Bilic, Jokanovic, Dyche, Hughton, should all be receiving phone calls as our season could potentially be over at 5pm today, if it isn’t already bar the fat lady singing. If they say no then who cares? 

I’ll revisit this thread when it’s guaranteed we can’t make the playoffs. And like others will have to conduct the inquest that should be being done by our absent owners. For now, until it’s mathematically impossible, we just need to focus on winning the next two games and see where we end up. If you’d have offered me this before a ball was kicked, I’d have said you were crazy. If you’d have offered me this 17 games ago, you’d have got the same response.

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, matt83 said:

Christ almighty.

So not selling Rothwell is the reason this seasons death spiral isn’t Teflon’s fault. Ok. What about the rest of his managerial career then. Who’s fault was it in 2020/21 when were 3 points off the play offs in Jan and finished 15th. Who’s fault was it in 2019/20 when we were again 3 points off the play offs at Xmas and finished 11th. Who’s fault was it in 2018/19 when were 2 points off the play offs in January and finished 15th. Who’s fault was it in 2015/16 when he was at Coventry who were 4th at Xmas and finished 8th. Who’s fault was it at Middlesbrough in 2012/13 when they were 3rd at Xmas and finished 16th. Who’s fault was it in 2011/12 where Middlesbrough were 2nd at Xmas and finished 7th.

All we needed was bang average for we are mostly used to like the old 1.5 points per game type thing.  We only needed 20 points from 17 games.

I think we all knew the fantastic form couldn't last but it's not unrealistic to expect a bit more than was delivered. It isn't all Mowbrays fault there's a combination of factors but he's been one of them.  That bit we've seen all before this death spiral had all the same hallmarks as the others.

[martonrover]

48 minutes ago, Gav said:

Mowbray got the best he could out of this set if players in my opinion

He’s culpable for persisting with a tactical set up that clearly wasn’t working.

He then finally changed it when we’re 6 points off the pace and it’s too late.

[AllRoverAsia]

There are some on here who think that we don't all know that all the clubs problems have a single cause and that lies with whoever owns us.

Let me repeat ... we know that.

This however does not excuse the manager from criticism, especially one who has made it into the history books ...,,

Most of us expected a Mowbray death spiral to happen, indeed the MB will have many predictions of such happening, .. it's what he specialises in. The magnitude of this one is incredible though. 

It is OK to be anti owners and anti manager.

 

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

With a threadbare squad, no transfer budget and loan signings being the model this year, the writing was on the wall in August.

Mowbray got the best he could out of this set if players in my opinion, but it was never going to last. So I’m not angry with the slump, it was predictable and the owners are to blame as 12yrs have shown.

Yes they’ll replace the manager and repeat, as soon as you identify where the real issues sits, watching the team becomes much more bearable, or at least it does for me.

I’m well aware of the owners being a massive problem, but Mowbray had us second as recently as February and it’s not even May and we’re all but out if it now and that’s on him.

Playing players out of position, tactical balls ups and a stubborn refusal to change what clearly isn’t working is on him. Shit owners don’t absolve him of decisions he’s made himself.
If our collapse wasn’t gut wrenching and incredibly frustrating to you too, I’m not sure what to say to be honest.