Which utterly brilliant manager will we be delighted to welcome next?

[J*B]

9 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It’ll be somebody desperate to get a job, that’s for sure. Why else would you accept Lowe as your first team coach ?

Lowe and Suhail get on well. Some would say he’s Suhail’s eyes and ears at Brockhall. 

[roversfan99]

So it could very well likely see no appointment even next week according to that, and the staff issue is embarrassing and will really diminish any lingering hope of a decent appointment.

The whole club has been run like this for 12 years. Waggott is seemingly not competent to do his role based on other parts of his remit so when he is tasked with this amidst big limitations (budgetary considering the fact that the staff are seemingly staying regardless) and also a total lack of autonomy as everyone has leading to big delays, its an absolute car crash.

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think if you wanted to go for up and coming head coach then Liam Manning is the obvious and clear choice. Would we pay compo I don't know tbh. Other than if you looking out of work head coaches/managers then I think Rovers will look to be appoint someone like Phillip Cocu, Jonathon Woodgate, Mark Warburton, Stuart Pearce, Xisco Munoz, David Wagner. I do feel Rovers will appoint someone who hasn't been really linked or at all with the job. There hasn't been alot of rumours in the past 48 hours so It appears that our search is in private domain and nothing is leaking on who has made the second interview stage. 

  

You've certainly hedged your bets by naming all of them, and quite frankly its a pretty depressing bunch, most of whom I would like to think will be nowhere near, especially Stuart bloody Pearce!

10 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

In answer to both you and Miller no mental gymnastics at all. If we end up with a dire appointment then ultimately blame lies at the owners feet as it's their name over the door.

Not having it that it's nothing to do with Waggott however. He's the one who selects candidates for interview, narrows it down to shortlists (or extends it to long lists) and makes recommendations to the owners.

Would the owners actually veto a really strong recommendation from him of someone he assured them was the outstanding candidate? I've absolutely no idea but it seems a fairly popular view on here that the owners are so disinterested that they have no idea at all what's happening down at Ewood. If that were the case, would they be invested enough to veto said strong recommendation?

Not saying you're guilty of this personally but people can't have the argument both ways, you can't say 99 9% of the time that they're not even aware we've played on any given day etc, then when something really bad happens pin the blame 100% on them and absolve those on the ground at Ewood of any responsibility.

What I don't get is that with Waggott and indeed with Mowbray, you only when really pushed give Venkys any blame for leaving these people in situ indefinitely. You speak as if these are chancers purposely ruining our club and Venkys are innocent bystanders with no power to do anything.

You also seemingly are under the impression that Venkys willingness to spend is indefinite and for some reason, it is Waggott who is insisting that staff are kept to penny pinch and the owners aren't aware of it. Not even touching on the fact that Lowe for example has been here for twice as long as him. If Waggott recommended a good manager and he was appointed and did well, that would look far better on him than going out of his way to ensure that staff stay to penny pinch, that can't be his decision. Waggott would likely see his salary rise and strengthen his job security if we went up on the back of that. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

I suppose the club is now closed until Monday.

Waggott and Pasha should be working on securing our next head coach and sporting director. Shouldn't be having days off

[arbitro]

How prophetic will the title of this thread become?

[Dreams of 1995]

I think I’ll wait until June 6th before I start doomsaying. We were told this is the date they were going to announce them  

It does seem very odd that Benson retains the role. I understand Johnson, and to an extent Lowe now JB has told of his relationship with Suhail, but what does Benson bring to the table? 
 

Any head coach should be allowed to bring their own coaches in. It’s a very odd way of doing things but we shouldn’t expect any different. They have never been normal. It must be pig headed arrogance to still be sticking by their ways of doing things when it is quite clear it does not work. I couldn’t imagine a more frustrating employer. 
 

 

[SuperBrfc]

Just been having a look at Lowe's coaching history.

A summary:

Lowe began his coaching career in 2002 at Wigan under Paul Jewell. He then followed Jewell to Derby in 2007 where he became the Head of Youth Academy.

Incidentally, Paul Jewell is a client of HSH.

Lowe leaves Derby in 2009 and does some part time work for Man United at one of their Soccer Schools.

In August 2010 Lowe joins the backroom team at Tranmere Rovers.

10 months later, Lowe is appointed as a Head of Youth coach at Rovers in June 2011, during the height of the SEM/Kentaro shit show.

Lowe has remained in place for 11 years despite a number of managerial changes. Now we are hearing how, apparently, the owners aren't willing to replace him and the other staff, meaning they will be foisted on the new manager.

Carvalhal is sat before you yet you piss him around by telling him he has to work with Lowe. Seriously? No proper manager will accept this crap.

Lowe isn't some kind of top class coach that can't be replaced, in my opinion.

I'm also not liking the pals talk mentioned in the posts above. Consider the connections for a minute and where this all could possibly lead back to.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

6 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Just been having a look at Lowe's coaching history.

A summary:

Lowe began his coaching career in 2002 at Wigan under Paul Jewell. He then followed Jewell to Derby in 2007 where he became the Head of Youth Academy.

Incidentally, Paul Jewell is a client of HSH.

Lowe leaves Derby in 2009 and does some part time work for Man United at one of their Soccer Schools.

In August 2010 Lowe joins the backroom team at Tranmere Rovers.

10 months later, Lowe is appointed as a Head of Youth coach at Rovers in June 2011, during the height of the SEM/Kentaro shit show.

Lowe has remained in place for 11 years despite a number of managerial changes. Now we are hearing how, apparently, the owners aren't willing to replace him and the other staff, meaning they will be foisted on the new manager.

Carvalhal is sat before you yet you piss him around by telling him he has to work with Lowe. Seriously? No proper manager will accept this crap.

Lowe isn't some kind of top class coach that can't be replaced, in my opinion.

I'm also not liking the pals talk mentioned in the posts above. Consider the connections for a minute and where this all could possibly lead back to.

Yep, fucking stinks. There is no plausible reason to keep him in place that isn't dodgy.

[J*B]

7 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Just been having a look at Lowe's coaching history.

A summary:

Lowe began his coaching career in 2002 at Wigan under Paul Jewell. He then followed Jewell to Derby in 2007 where he became the Head of Youth Academy.

Incidentally, Paul Jewell is a client of HSH.

Lowe leaves Derby in 2009 and does some part time work for Man United at one of their Soccer Schools.

In August 2010 Lowe joins the backroom team at Tranmere Rovers.

10 months later, Lowe is appointed as a Head of Youth coach at Rovers in June 2011, during the height of the SEM/Kentaro shit show.

Lowe has remained in place for 11 years despite a number of managerial changes. Now we are hearing how, apparently, the owners aren't willing to replace him and the other staff, meaning they will be foisted on the new manager.

Carvalhal is sat before you yet you piss him around by telling him he has to work with Lowe. Seriously? No proper manager will accept this crap.

Lowe isn't some kind of top class coach that can't be replaced, in my opinion.

I'm also not liking the pals talk mentioned in the posts above. Consider the connections for a minute and where this all could possibly lead back to.

2019 - Lowe is sacked, for an unknown reason goes to India, returns friendly with Suhail and gets a promotion. 

[lraC]

1 minute ago, J*B said:

2019 - Lowe is sacked, for an unknown reason goes to India, returns friendly with Suhail and gets a promotion. 

Are you sure he went to India? There is a HSH rep in Brindle. Just a stones throw from Ewood to be able to pop and remind someone what he knows about the whole operation.

[Sparks Rover]

18 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Just been having a look at Lowe's coaching history.

A summary:

Lowe began his coaching career in 2002 at Wigan under Paul Jewell. He then followed Jewell to Derby in 2007 where he became the Head of Youth Academy.

Incidentally, Paul Jewell is a client of HSH.

 

You literally beat me to it mate...👏  Jewell could be the one....as my father in law says, "scousers, they get where caster oil can't "

😔

Edited June 2, 2022 by Sparks Rover

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1131185520?-11198:839

Update (of sorts)

key bit for me from the article are these bits 

Knowledge of the Championship, and a willingness to work with young players is a key part of the criteria, and where Carvalhal and Farke in particular will have impressed.

Seemingly in the background is the search for a sporting director.  

It has always been expected that a manager would be appointed first, the position that Rovers feel is most pressing, with a sporting director to come after as the club restructures their football operations.

That search is running parallel, and understood to be at an advanced stage, but will have no bearing on the appointment of a head coach, despite their expected working relationship, which has come as a surprise to some.

Rovers know they must get this right, but with the search set to go into next week, and possibly beyond, the wait looks set to go on.

27 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Sharpe's latest article suggests Lowe, Benson, and Johnson are all staying. That basically means a new manager can bring in an assistant, but that's about it. In other words, we probably aren't going to get a manager of a high calibre.

No wonder we're having a long and drawn-out interview process. Rovers are looking for somebody to basically "slot in" to our current circumstances.

It'll be Grayson.

Lowe should be gone and with Johnson there doesn't need replacing at all. I would also get rid of Benson. 

Then allow the new head coach to bring his own staff like a number 2, GK coach and fitness coach or 2. 

I would think Simon Grayson would bring David Dunn with him

 

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You've certainly hedged your bets by naming all of them, and quite frankly its a pretty depressing bunch, most of whom I would like to think will be nowhere near, especially Stuart bloody Pearce! 

what are you going on about now? I have posted who I think will be shortlist now and I feel its we be someone who hasn't/hardly been linked to the Rovers head coach job here. I feel that it will be one of those 6 people we employ if we aren't going to pay Compo for a head coach from another club. 

My choices with Daniel Farke and Carlos Carvalhal. Carlos Carvalhal has gone to the UAE and Farke I can't see coming here unless he doesn't the Gladbach job and He is allow to bring in his own staff which from the LT appears the club wants to keep at least some of Lowe, Johnson and Benson in place. So its appears that new head coach will allow to bring in own number 2 and maybe one or 2 more staff member but have to keep couple of remaining staff in place. So that will reduced your choices straight away. 

So Who would I actually go for now, I'm not unsure to be honest right now. 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

3 minutes ago, lraC said:

Are you sure he went to India? There is a HSH rep in Brindle. Just a stones throw from Ewood to be able to pop and remind someone what he knows about the whole operation.

So could someone assume that no one within HSH stable currently fits the bill so Lowe stays in place to keep their dirty little fingers in the pie? 

(Allegedly) 

[lraC]

2 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

So could someone assume that no one within HSH stable currently fits the bill so Lowe stays in place to keep their dirty little fingers in the pie? 

(Allegedly) 

It may keep the peace, if the new manager is not from that stable. I know one of the first question Coyle was asked, was if he was associated with Kentaro. He said he had never heard of them, although I think that was a bit wide of the mark. Someone already there to keep and eye on their investment, would be useful. It’s back to Allardyce being replaced by a coach in some ways, although a bit more able to stay out of the limelight.

[rigger]

11 hours ago, RoverCanada said:

Since the start of 2016, Pardew's collective managerial record at Crystal Palace, West Brom, ADO Den Haag, and CSKA Sofia is 11-17-42.

A 15.7% win record and 0.71 points/game, which translates to 33 points in a 46 game Championship season...

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To tell the truth, I am not bothered what our new manager has done previously, good or bad. I am more concerned with what he would do at the Rovers 

[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, rigger said:

To tell the truth, I am not bothered what our new manager has done previously, good or bad. I am more concerned with what he would do at the Rovers 

We all are, but it doesn't bode well does it? If previous record was irrelevant we could just hire any old tosser. In fact by that reasoning I'd be a suitable candidate.

[Norbert Rassragr]

If today's panic has any grounding, it shows how little ambition or intelligence there is at the club. No desire to better ourselves, no attempt to get the right people for the important jobs, and happy to save a few pennies but fork out £20m+ to keep a shit show going. 

There must be some serious money laundering or something like that going on. That's the only reason I can think of.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

We all are, but it doesn't bode well does it? If previous record was irrelevant we could just hire any old tosser. In fact by that reasoning I'd be a suitable candidate.

I’m an old tosser. I’ll do it for £1000 a week.

[rigger]

9 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

We all are, but it doesn't bode well does it? If previous record was irrelevant we could just hire any old tosser. In fact by that reasoning I'd be a suitable candidate.

Does that mean you are calling yourself an old tosser ?

[JHRover]

Can anyone tell me what "a willingness to work with young players" means and how that is determined in an interview?

What is a young player?

How many need to be played to claim he is willing to work with them?

What happens if he gets the job and doesn't use them? Sacked?

What happens if no players coming through are good enough?

Most importantly how do dollopers like Waggott and Pasha know and filter candidates on such criteria?

[Wheelton Blue]

When they announced the week extension for early bird, my initial thought was that they did that as they expected to make an announcement beforehand.

Otherwise, I can't think of a single, sensible reason why they only pushed it out by only a week. 

 

[roversfan99]

26 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

key bit for me from the article are these bits 

Knowledge of the Championship, and a willingness to work with young players is a key part of the criteria, and where Carvalhal and Farke in particular will have impressed.

Seemingly in the background is the search for a sporting director.  

It has always been expected that a manager would be appointed first, the position that Rovers feel is most pressing, with a sporting director to come after as the club restructures their football operations.

That search is running parallel, and understood to be at an advanced stage, but will have no bearing on the appointment of a head coach, despite their expected working relationship, which has come as a surprise to some.

Rovers know they must get this right, but with the search set to go into next week, and possibly beyond, the wait looks set to go on.

Lowe should be gone and with Johnson there doesn't need replacing at all. I would also get rid of Benson. 

Then allow the new head coach to bring his own staff like a number 2, GK coach and fitness coach or 2. 

I would think Simon Grayson would bring David Dunn with him

 

what are you going on about now? I have posted who I think will be shortlist now and I feel its we be someone who hasn't/hardly been linked to the Rovers head coach job here. I feel that it will be one of those 6 people we employ if we aren't going to pay Compo for a head coach from another club. 

My choices with Daniel Farke and Carlos Carvalhal. Carlos Carvalhal has gone to the UAE and Farke I can't see coming here unless he doesn't the Gladbach job and He is allow to bring in his own staff which from the LT appears the club wants to keep at least some of Lowe, Johnson and Benson in place. So its appears that new head coach will allow to bring in own number 2 and maybe one or 2 more staff member but have to keep couple of remaining staff in place. So that will reduced your choices straight away. 

So Who would I actually go for now, I'm not unsure to be honest right now. 

I didnt say that you had personally recommended those candidates, I was saying that you had named loads who you think might be on this supposed list to hedge your bets. Your list was full of dross who id hope we wouldnt touch with a ten foot barge pole, then again with seemingly a small budget and strict limits on staff, the list becomes small straight away. Also add other dross like Grayson, Adkins, Ferguson, Unsworth, Pardew, there are loads of shit options around.

Out of interest, aside from a bit of work in a totally different role working with the kids, how do you know that Johnson should stay yet the other 2 should go, how can you possibly be privy to their individual merits? Ultimately, any new manager should be allowed autonomy to decide which of the staff they want to keep and its a huge limiting factor not to allow it, but I dont get how you have individual opinions on our specific coaching staff members.

I think the key is not to expect anything soon and to expect the worst with our owners. 

[SuperBrfc]

30 minutes ago, J*B said:

2019 - Lowe is sacked, for an unknown reason goes to India, returns friendly with Suhail and gets a promotion. 

Absolutely stinks. What other nondescript coach would receive such favourable treatment? 

The question that crosses my mind is, who sacked him? At a 'normal' club once the owners have decided to allow a coach to leave, that's the end of it.

To come away with a promotion instead though...

[bluebruce]

9 minutes ago, rigger said:

Does that mean you are calling yourself an old tosser ?

Tbf I've implied myself a disservice there. I'm a tosser, but I'm not that old.

[Riverside under the drip]

Just now, Wheelton Blue said:

When they announced the week extension for early bird, my initial thought was that they did that as they expected to make an announcement beforehand.

Otherwise, I can't think of a single, sensible reason why they only pushed it out by only a week. 

 

May I humbly suggest you take 'sensible' out of the Rovers equation and go with 'pathetically out-of-touch' instead.

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

When they announced the week extension for early bird, my initial thought was that they did that as they expected to make an announcement beforehand.

Otherwise, I can't think of a single, sensible reason why they only pushed it out by only a week. 

 

Knowing the present set-up, you will probably find that the only person who knows how to update the available seats, on the website, is on holiday till the end of next week. This is not a fact, it is said with humour in mind.