Which utterly brilliant manager will we be delighted to welcome next?

[PeteJD13]

3 minutes ago, tomphil said:

He wasn't backed at a crucial time but he didn't make the best or correct use of the backing he had.

That bit is on him no matter how many other excuses get offered he was allowed to bring in 4 players -- at a crucial time.

That's why he'd never be anything other than the bang average guy he was there isn't much evidence to suggest he'd have been successful with 5 million quid in January.

Agreed he also managed to turn the leading asset maker in the championship, into a complete dobber 

[Gavrover]

33 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

What islander200 said was right, you cannot doubt that a huge part of our team last season has departed, all for free.

The counter argument to this always tends to be based on assumptions and hopes with little if any evidence.

Carter has had 2 good loan spells but was shaky in the Championship in the past. Hopefully he is now capable, Phillips is a totally untested kid seemingly growing into his body but expecting either to fill a significant chunk of the void left by Van Hecke and Lenihan leaving is asking for trouble.

Gallagher has hid behind this theory that he has been utilised wrongly but when he plays central he is never going to be a prolific goalscorer, plus he is lacking in so many areas. Brereton's absence will need to lead to reinvestment as there are very few goals elsewhere. We have to hope that Dack regains his form.

Rothwell is a miss, I am not his biggest fan but he leaves a huge hole in our midfield and takes a dynamic out of our team that we had. Khadra was inconsistent but an upgrade on Dolan for example so a further loss.

I honestly don't think we will miss Khadra one bit and Rothwell although dynamic 8/10 games were average.. like I said we will need bodies but a fit dack is key.. Buckley will get better and of course we will need a signing or 3. Gallagher might be a lump but he can Score 18-20 goals. A solid centre back like Cahill for a season with his experience and leadership could be effective. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Butty said:

Give Phillips and Garrett a chance will you, they are promising young talents but I’d much rather them be out on loan than sat on the bench in a league they aren’t ready for yet. 

I am giving them a chance. I have high hopes for both and I would put them in the first team squad for the coming season

[rigger]

41 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

What islander200 said was right, you cannot doubt that a huge part of our team last season has departed, all for free.

The counter argument to this always tends to be based on assumptions and hopes with little if any evidence.

Carter has had 2 good loan spells but was shaky in the Championship in the past. Hopefully he is now capable, Phillips is a totally untested kid seemingly growing into his body but expecting either to fill a significant chunk of the void left by Van Hecke and Lenihan leaving is asking for trouble.

Gallagher has hid behind this theory that he has been utilised wrongly but when he plays central he is never going to be a prolific goalscorer, plus he is lacking in so many areas. Brereton's absence will need to lead to reinvestment as there are very few goals elsewhere. We have to hope that Dack regains his form.

Rothwell is a miss, I am not his biggest fan but he leaves a huge hole in our midfield and takes a dynamic out of our team that we had. Khadra was inconsistent but an upgrade on Dolan for example so a further loss.

We have been missing most of the atributes you have listed since the new year.

[bluebruce]

6 minutes ago, Gavrover said:

I honestly don't think we will miss Khadra one bit and Rothwell although dynamic 8/10 games were average.. like I said we will need bodies but a fit dack is key.. Buckley will get better and of course we will need a signing or 3. Gallagher might be a lump but he can Score 18-20 goals. A solid centre back like Cahill for a season with his experience and leadership could be effective. 

We will look very pedestrian without the pace of Rothwell and Khadra if we don't replace it.

[bluebruce]

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He didn't start to play players out of position, Buckley continued to play as a false 9 as he had been doing throughout the winning run. The problem was that it was a system that he persisted with for too long, especially as without Brereton we had no one running in behind.

Ahh ok, so Giles wasn't played out of position? He's a right-sided forward is he? Bradley Johnson is a natural false 9?

'Start' to play players out of position...he did it through most of his tenure. Gally, Bennett and Bucko at RB, Dack as false 9, Rodwell as CB where he hadn't played since he was about 18, JRC at LB, two big lads on the flank with a little fella in the middle. I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

[rigger]

7 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

We will look very pedestrian without the pace of Rothwell and Khadra if we don't replace it.

As long as we are pedestrian and winning, I don't care. Speed, although an advantage, is not the be-all and end-all of successful football.

Edited June 11, 2022 by rigger

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Firstly, Nothing wrong with looking at head coaches from overseas or different parts of Europe espically given that our new Director of football Gregg Broughton has vast experience of that market.

Does he? I thought he just had a little under 5 years experience of Norway. Not sure that translates into 'vast experience' of the whole of Europe.

[bluebruce]

3 minutes ago, rigger said:

As long as we are pedestrian and winning, I don't care. Speed, although an advantage, is not the be-all and end-all of successful football.

Of course, winning is the be all and end all. But in modern football, it's a lot harder without pace. Watching Rovers the last couple of seasons has shown me this squad doesn't have much else in its locker when it doesn't counter attack with pace. Sure, we will recruit, but if that's for a different approach we will still end up with half a squad who can't play it.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't see them fitting Broughton's footballing strategy and the way he see the team building. I would be looking at players Cameron Brannagan, Callum Styles, Josh Laurent or Josh Onomah(on loan) for example

I believe JDT's work permit is straight forward since he has worked for 2 full seasons at a club in the last 3 years. 

I disagreed with the above comment. 

Rovers job is a good job where you are allow to build a squad, team that finish 8th last season so you should be looking to improve their league position and have a academy producing quality players for the first team

Didn't Broughton leave Bodo/Glimt for the Director of Football job here?

I do agree that his connections have bought more options to the table.  

Disagree all you like, the facts are that so far all the guys we’ve been linked with have gone somewhere else.

[rigger]

3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Of course, winning is the be all and end all. But in modern football, it's a lot harder without pace. Watching Rovers the last couple of seasons has shown me this squad doesn't have much else in its locker when it doesn't counter attack with pace. Sure, we will recruit, but if that's for a different approach we will still end up with half a squad who can't play it.

I prefer to have good footballers who may not be the fastest, to someone who is just a speed merchant.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

My point was, the hope was for a proven manager to push us on upon the announcement of Mowbray's departure. Those sort of names are what we wanted so if we ended with someone much more unknown and much less proven, it would be underwhelming, surely you can understand that. We can speculate whether those names would be interested, firstly we shouldn't limit ourselves only to people who apply, getting the best man often requires being proactive and looking yourself and convincing someone to join.

If you feel underwhelm by this possible appointment fine but I don't. 

I'm sure if Wagner or Jokanovic wanted the head coach job they would have made their interest know to Rovers. 

For me, you get the best head coach who fits in with your footballing structure and strategy. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Broughton has been here a few days, the second interviews were done this week on the back of the first ones two weeks prior, with seemingly any choice taken away from us with better candidates going elsewhere during the long process. I very much doubt that he has had a major impact if any.

Broughton has been here 4 days and I would imagine been very busy with helping with head coach search, etc. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Can you apply for a work permit without actively having chosen to employ a person, which can't happen until Venkys approve? There will surely be a delay, how long is purely speculation but its not ideal IF indeed he has been chosen.

How do we know he hasn't agree a contract here and Venkys have approve the move? So the Work Permit can be apply for. 

I don't know how long its take to get a work permit. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

The manager should be allowed to decide which if any of those youngsters come into the first team. A huge influx of rookies filling gaps left by proven performers does not equate to a likely improvement in league position in my opinion. Some of them need loan spells.

The new head coach along with Gregg Broughton will decide I would imagine but I personally think Jack Vale is ready to step up to our first team squad,. James Brown I feel is capable of challenging for a right back spot whether its Nyambe or new right back signing. I think Ash Phillips and Jake Garrett are most the capable of playing a role as squad player. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, goozburger said:

And when you say "all", you mean two! Farke and Carvalhal are the only two we can be certain have had interviews.

But you're absolutely right. The fact that both have gone elsewhere should tell us that the public information about it has been to their advantage. They got the jobs they both wanted.

Is JDT doing the same? I'd be happy with him as our next Head Coach, but I'm certain there are other names at the forefront which we (the supporters) haven't heard about as contenders.

Weren’t we linked with the guy who was a Blackpool, now at Villa ?

[chaddyrovers]

13 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Does he? I thought he just had a little under 5 years experience of Norway. Not sure that translates into 'vast experience' of the whole of Europe.

He has study football and he has over 20 years in the game. Have you listen to his interview on Rovers TV? 

I never said the whole of Europe. 

10 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Disagree all you like, the facts are that so far all the guys we’ve been linked with have gone somewhere else.

Its appears that JDT is the favourite to come here now and he has barely been linked to the head coach job apart from the last 2 days.  I want someone here who wants to manage our football club

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, rigger said:

I prefer to have good footballers who may not be the fastest, to someone who is just a speed merchant.

The ball can move faster than any player you care to name.

[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The ball can move faster than any player you care to name.

Yep. When you have someone who is quick, they can get on the end of that at even longer distances.

[Oldgregg86]

Just don’t get good vibes about JDT. Based on nothing but what I’ve read in here I just don’t feel it would be the right appointment after Mowbray. It does look like it’s going to be him though so it’s get behind the lads and go again and hope for the best

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He has study football and he has over 20 years in the game. Have you listen to his interview on Rovers TV? 

I never said the whole of Europe. 

Its appears that JDT is the favourite to come here now and he has barely been linked to the head coach job apart from the last 2 days.  I want someone here who wants to manage our football club

I have my doubts Chaddy. I’ll tell you why. Putting his coaching background to one side. Has he ever lived in this country ? Have you ever worked away from home and family for any length or time ? I have and it’s hard, really hard. Only guys who never wanted to get married in the first place enjoy working away. I’ve known a few of those but mainly guys find it hard. Living out of a hotel room is crap, even if it’s a good hotel.

That’s just one of the reasons why I’d rather have somebody who’s managed in England previously.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[bluebruce]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He has study football and he has over 20 years in the game. Have you listen to his interview on Rovers TV? 

I never said the whole of Europe. 

Its appears that JDT is the favourite to come here now and he has barely been linked to the head coach job apart from the last 2 days.  I want someone here who wants to manage our football club

Ok so when you said 'vast experience of that market' shortly after mentioning 'different parts of Europe', the market you referred to was just Norway.

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I have my doubts Chaddy. I’ll tell you why. Putting his coaching background to one side. Has he ever lived in this country ? Have you ever worked away from home and family for any length or time ? I have and it’s hard, really hard. Only guys who never wanted to get married in the first place enjoy working away. I’ve known a few of those but mainly guys find it hard. Living out of a hotel room is crap, even if it’s a good hotel.

That’s just one of the reasons why I’d rather have somebody who’s managed in England.

I get your point but JDT has lived in England when he was a player for Newcastle

[Herbie6590]

Some thoughts ahead of what might be an official appointment...

Full article here:-

https://www.brfcs.com/magazine/articles/replacing-a-leader.../241

[bluebruce]

20 minutes ago, rigger said:

I prefer to have good footballers who may not be the fastest, to someone who is just a speed merchant.

Rothwell bursting forward this season worked a lot better than Holtby and Trybull keeping the ball ticking around in no mans land. A team that doesn't have any pace doesn't have an easy outlet when under pressure, can't stretch the play as easily, can't exploit a slow defence as easily. A team needs a style and we have shown we are better at countering, which needs pace in the team.

Of course it isn't enough to just be fast or Usain Bolt would have become world class. I wouldn't advocate signing someone who is fast but shit. But I want someone who is quick and can play. You can get away with being a bit slow these days still if you're an absolute baller, but you can't have a whole team of those - I can't think of a successful recent team with no pace in their locker.

Edited June 11, 2022 by bluebruce

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, islander200 said:

I get your point but JDT has lived in England when he was a player for Newcastle

That’s in his favour then, he ‘ll know about the “ culture “ and he’ll know what he’s letting himself in for to a certain extent.  Was he married then though ? Being part of a group of similar guys in one thing, being in charge of them is another. “ The loneliness of command “ an all that. 

[Gavrover]

10 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Rothwell bursting forward this season worked a lot better than Holtby and Trybull keeping the ball ticking around in no mans land. A team that doesn't have any pace doesn't have an easy outlet when under pressure, can't stretch the play as easily, can't exploit a slow defence as easily. A team needs a style and we have shown we are better at countering, which needs pace in the team.

Of course it isn't enough to just be fast or Usain Bolt would have become world class. I wouldn't advocate signing someone who is fast but shit. But I want someone who is quick and can play. You can get away with being a bit slow these days still if you're an absolute baller, but you can't have a whole team of those - I can't think of a successful recent team with no pace in their locker.

Markanday is pretty pacey as well..

[bluebruce]

3 minutes ago, Gavrover said:

Markanday is pretty pacey as well..

True, and I've previously said I have a feeling he will more or less replace Khadra. I think we are going to want a quick attacker to replace BBD when he leaves. Then we can possibly survive by just being down Rothwell's pace, as it's probably more important in the final third than from the middle third. Long passes onto quick attackers can compensate, so we are probably reliant on Buckley and whoever replaces Rothwell.