Which utterly brilliant manager will we be delighted to welcome next?

[simongarnerisgod]

9 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Wycombe play attractive football?

I thought they had a reputation for being very direct and physical set piece specialists? I admit I don't know much about them and it doesn't bother me if it is successful.

I'm more bothered by the fact that he's never been tested at a club with pressure or expectations. He's been able to do his thing at Wycombe, a small steady club, coming here would be a complete change in every respect and a risk I don't think is worth taking.

is`nt every manager a risk,i bet arsenal fans were asking themselves,"who is the wenger chap,never heard of him"similarly liverpool fans questioning whether paisley should take over from shankly

[islander200]

17 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Wycombe play attractive football?

I thought they had a reputation for being very direct and physical set piece specialists? I admit I don't know much about them and it doesn't bother me if it is successful.

I'm more bothered by the fact that he's never been tested at a club with pressure or expectations. He's been able to do his thing at Wycombe, a small steady club, coming here would be a complete change in every respect and a risk I don't think is worth taking.

But yet you would take Manning from Mk Dons if we are looking at the lower leagues?

Ainsworth has at least managed at this level and the job he has done at Wycombe has been Excellent.

I'd rather someone with proven pedigree at this level like a Farke but if we are looking at league one then Ainsworth has done as good a job as anyone in that division

[chaddyrovers]

50 minutes ago, Hasta said:

That just validates his point. A couple of news stories appeared and it probably only took a small number of bets and Lambert was odds on. The bookies market is just an indication of where the money has gone.

Not at all, Lambert was odds on like 4/6 as soon as the market went up if my memory serves me right which gives no value on your bet. 

28 minutes ago, Gav said:

Spot on Hasta.

In 2017 JFH was odds on favourite and Mowbray wasn’t even mentioned.

JFH was 4 or 5/1 if my memory serves me right. Not odds ons straight away like Lambert was

20 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Wycombe play attractive football?

I thought they had a reputation for being very direct and physical set piece specialists? I admit I don't know much about them and it doesn't bother me if it is successful.

I'm more bothered by the fact that he's never been tested at a club with pressure or expectations. He's been able to do his thing at Wycombe, a small steady club, coming here would be a complete change in every respect and a risk I don't think is worth taking.

He said attacking football not attractive. 

Why is not worth a risk as every appointment is a risk? 

But you are very happy to take a risk on Liam Manning from MK Dons who has no promotions on his CV. 

Edited May 2, 2022 by chaddyrovers

[Guest]

 

[Gav]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not at all, Lambert was odds on like 4/6 as soon as the market went up if my memory serves me right which gives no value on your bet. 

JFH was 4 or 5/1 if my memory serves me right. Not odds ons straight away like Lambert was

My apologies, I meant JFH was favourite for the job, he was 7/2.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Gav

[StubbsUK]

There's a couple of articles on the front page today covering manager speculation:

Farking Hell! looks at a few of the runners & riders and also we asked on Twitter who you wanted to see, but only accepted wrong answers, have a look at this weeks This Week On Twitter: Wrong answers only.

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The betting odds are not a reliable barometer though, it is a small market to begin with so a handful of optimistic fans putting a bit of money on their preferred options will make a considerable difference.

Even in a small market it would take more than 'a handful of optimistic fans putting a bit of money on their preferred options' to make any diifference.

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Somewhat true but I remember when Bowyer was sacked and Lambert was odds on favourite straight away based on a couple of news stories in the media. 

 

38 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Not at all, Lambert was odds on like 4/6 as soon as the market went up if my memory serves me right

 

So was it based on a couple of news stories or not? Make your mind up.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Hasta

[TheRovers1994]

8 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’d say Lambert was an ambitious appointment, especially when you look at the staff he had. The Chokers managed to find a way to fuck that up though.

Lambert turned out shit hence why he failed at wolves and Ipswich just came to us living off his Norwich rep

[Hasta]

6 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Even in a small market it would take more than 'a handful of optimistic fans putting a bit of money on their preferred options' to make any diifference.

Not really. There’s little liquidity in those markets so if a bookie got stung they’ve no chance of balancing the books. That’s why you can only place a maximum of £20 on, for example, Wilcox to be next manager on skybet. And if 5 of us did that now I guarantee it would shorten up significantly from 12/1

[chaddyrovers]

26 minutes ago, Gav said:

My apologies, I meant JFH was favourite for the job, he was 7/2.

Correct

5 minutes ago, Hasta said:

So was it based on a couple of news stories or not? Make your mind up.

Its was based I guess on the 2 nicko stories and rumours around at that time

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

6 minutes ago, TheRovers1994 said:

Lambert turned out shit hence why he failed at wolves and Ipswich just came to us living off his Norwich rep

You knew he was subsequently going to fail at Wolves and Ipswich when we signed him then ?

You’ll already know who our next manager is then ?

Edited May 2, 2022 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[DE.]

At the time I thought Lambert was an ambitious appointment, but nowadays I'm not as convinced. He clearly had reservations about what he was getting himself into, hence the end of season break clause. There was something strange about that situation. How many clubs bring in a manager like that with a clause in their contract which allows them to leave after less than a year? For Lambert to then activate that, and apparently having already decided to do so by February/March, suggests either a mismanaged appointment process in which one or both parties lied about their requirements, or something else going on. Probably the former, but with the shenanigans surrounding the club since Venky's turned up I could believe something unusual was going on too. 

[blondie]

Never convinced by Lambert, went to the supporters"Tea Party" and had a feeling that he talked the talk, but wasn't convinced.

Seemed as if he thought that he was bigger than the club.

[MarkBRFC]

9 minutes ago, blondie said:

Never convinced by Lambert, went to the supporters"Tea Party" and had a feeling that he talked the talk, but wasn't convinced.

Seemed as if he thought that he was bigger than the club.

Lambert on paper was the most logical appointment venkys have made.

In reality, he was bang average, but if given 5 years at the job I reckon he would have done at least what Mowbray did.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

Lambert on paper was the most logical appointment venkys have made.

In reality, he was bang average, but if given 5 years at the job I reckon he would have done at least what Mowbray did.

He also brought Alan Irvine as his number 2. If I remember rightly Irvine was on some peoples list for the managers job in his own right at the time.  So in theory as strong a management team as we’ve had since Big Sam left. Something went wrong very early on and his time here was over almost  before it had begun. His subsequent career at Wolves, Stoke and Ipswich was nothing to write home about.

[Mercer]

37 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Not really. There’s little liquidity in those markets so if a bookie got stung they’ve no chance of balancing the books. That’s why you can only place a maximum of £20 on, for example, Wilcox to be next manager on skybet. And if 5 of us did that now I guarantee it would shorten up significantly from 12/1

A market is first set when bookies / traders / marketmakers whatever you want to call them set their odds based on their view of the relative chance of each market end result.  They will factor in the credibility/strength of each candidate, existing circumstances/conditions and where they think the money will go.   There will be far more 'variability' in a market for a Rovers' manager than there would be in a market for say a Liverpool manager as realistically there would be many more 'options' for the Rovers' post as opposed to the Liverpool post (far fewer genuine candidates of right calibre). 

Those odds will fluctuate based on additional/new information and where the dollar is going.  More confidence in the market through more information will drive more liquidity.

Applying this 'logic' then it should be no surprise, currently, to see Ainsworth and Farke with the shortest of odds at circa 3/1.

Leaks from within the club or from Pune could see odds on an individual like McInnes dramatically slashed to evens or odds on.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by Mercer

[superniko]

55 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Not really. There’s little liquidity in those markets so if a bookie got stung they’ve no chance of balancing the books. That’s why you can only place a maximum of £20 on, for example, Wilcox to be next manager on skybet. And if 5 of us did that now I guarantee it would shorten up significantly from 12/1

It’s based on a lay to lose from the bookmaker. This specific market is set to £250, so every unrestricted / uncoded customer will be able to bet to win £250 on it (i.e you could bet £500 if it was a 1/2 selection but only £25 if it was 10/1)

They'll be moving prices when these max bets are hit (more so on the shorter prices) - so yeah you’re right if 5 people consecutive hit a max bet on Wilcox that price would be at least halved, or the market even suspending for a short while, and rightly so from the bookmakers point of view. 

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by superniko

[bazza]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’m an underwhelming non-entity Jim, is it my turn this time ?

So it's not just me who thought that about you Tyrone.........😜

[windymiller7]

BTW folks & @Bbrovers2288, if it is DiMatteo, you heard it here first! 😉

 

Edited May 2, 2022 by windymiller7

[Bbrovers2288]

9 minutes ago, windymiller7 said:

BTW folks & @Bbrovers2288, if it is DiMatteo, you heard it here first! 😉

 

Haha fair enough mate 

[Exiled_Rover]

50 minutes ago, Mercer said:

A market is first set when bookies / traders / marketmakers whatever you want to call them set their odds based on their view of the relative chance of each market end result.  They will factor in the credibility/strength of each candidate, existing circumstances/conditions and where they think the money will go.   There will be far more 'variability' in a market for a Rovers' manager than there would be in a market for say a Liverpool manager as realistically there would be many more 'options' for the Rovers' post as opposed to the Liverpool post (far fewer genuine candidates of right calibre). 

Those odds will fluctuate based on additional/new information and where the dollar is going.  More confidence in the market through more information will drive more liquidity.

Applying this 'logic' then it should be no surprise, currently, to see Ainsworth and Farke with the shortest of odds at circa 3/1.

Leaks from within the club or from Pune could see odds on an individual like McInnes dramatically slashed to evens or odds on.

 

 

If I've learned anything during my time here it's that you don't know how betting works. 😉

[eire3382]

This is venkys so they will see how Leeds have improved and hire some young nfl coach. 

[perthblue02]

18 minutes ago, eire3382 said:

This is venkys so they will see how Leeds have improved and hire some young nfl coach. 

Hope Big Barry does not think Ted Lasso was a documentary

[patrickvalery]

I feel like I'm in the minority thinking we'd have been much better just offering Mowbray a deal. Whether most agree or disagree that he's done a decent job, the general consensus outside the club is he has performed miracles and has some value. Yet we are letting him walk away and every name I have seen linked (possibly barring Farke) is hardly mouth watering. 

If there is a plan in place then I'd be amazed. Mowbray's warning today in the LT speaks volumes to me. Basically the club are about to get royally fucked and it's future back in the hands of the madhouse. Looks like I'm back to the sleepless nights we suffered years ago. Steady progress was fine for me.