v PNE (a) - 25/4/22

[rigger]

3 minutes ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

If a team are playing a back four, then the full-backs need, first and foremost to be good defenders.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 minutes ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

He did ok but he wasn’t up against a winger, he only had Cunningham to deal with who he could match for pace. I’d be worried if the opposition had an out and out pace merchant on the wing. Also he’s prone to getting drawn into a false position in the middle.

[Exiled in Toronto]

15 minutes ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

He put a peach of a cross onto Diaz’s head which Ben headed onto the bar, something Nyambe can’t do. Also Travis was freed up from being stationed ten yards diagonally behind Nyambe when in their half, where he receives the inevitable pass back.

[bazza]

24 minutes ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

Lenihan was a midfielder when he graduated into the first team but immediately was asked to play centre back in which position he has stayed.

[bazza]

I think our two quick goals knocked the stuffing out of PNE. We were set up with square pegs in square holes and went at them with the intensity that we had lost so far in 2022. That performance was a joy to watch.

Pickering's early booking was a disgrace. It was a foul but it wasn't cynical or vicious. There was no intent to injure. I thought the ref, by doing that, had made a rod for his own back. Look at the two bad fouls on Buckley by Whiteman towards the end which went unpunished. Gallagher's card was justified. It was cynical. Another very poor referee.

 

[Admiral Nelsen]

42 minutes ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

 

He was very good, and put a cross onto Brereton's head which was better than any that Nyambe has done for me. Horses for courses though, Bournemouth will be a very different game and (assuming he's fit) I'd have the specialist right back who remains an excellent 1-on-1 defender.

 

What that means for the rest of the back 4 (or 5?) god only knows. 

[DE.]

53 minutes ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

It's difficult to tell from a single game, especially against such poor opposition. He does seem to like to get forward and he's got a decent cross on him, but as somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, Tyrone maybe?, there were a few occasions when his natural inclination to play CB caused him to drift too far into the centre and leave his flank exposed. Against a better team we may have been punished for that. I think he could be retrained to play in that position and has the attributes to be a decent enough attritional Championship RB, but I don't think that will ultimately happen.

Edited April 26, 2022 by DE.

[Tom]

The only result question mark for me was around the bench as mentioned Nyambe if fit should be there ahead of Deyo and not sure how Poveda was used ahead of Dolan but it’s nice to have ultimately insignificant gripes 

[superniko]

58 minutes ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

I thought he was a far better attacking threat than Nyambe, who seems to not have a clue when he gets in the opposition 3rd (Stoke at home was the worst I’ve seen from him) 

Lovely cross from Lenihan for the Brereton header off the bar, and a few nice balls through too. 
I actually don’t think Nyambe has an assist all season (I looked on soccerway but there may be more accurate sites). That’s pretty shocking considering he’s been RWB as well as RB. 

[RoversTilliDie]

2 hours ago, DE. said:

Elliott was a good player before he arrived here - very highly regarded and a bit of a coup from us. With a better manager his presence may have propelled us into genuine playoff contention, rather than mid-table.

As far as 'will a new manager get us relegated?' - by that logic a change would never be made as fear of the worst happening would always stop a decision being made. We know exactly what Mowbray is about by now. Periods of good form, death spirals, terrible second halves of the season and a recovery when the pressure is off. If we're happy to tread water in the Championship forever then Mowbray is the man for the job, but is that the limit of our ambition as a club? This season has shown there is little to be feared in this league. With the right manager we could be in the same position as the likes of Luton this season, or Barnsley last season. It's ridiculous that a club of our stature hasn't even gotten into the Championship playoffs once since relegaton in 2012. 

I completely understand the fear of change with Venky's in charge of the club, but keeping TM on would just prove that we lack any real ambition and have no genuine intention of challenging for promotion. I'll be more than happy to eat my words if we somehow sneak into 6th, but from where we were in January we should not be in a position where that's the best we can hope for now. It's been a collapse of almighty proportions, and you can't blame refs and injuries for 4 months of shocking performances. Injuries, squad rotation and proper squad depth are where top managers in this league really earn their corn. We have a manager who can only ride waves of momentum and is incapable of stopping the team from falling apart when that momentum falters and poor results occur. 

I think it's time for a new manager next season like most supporters, but some of the criticism aimed at Tony Mowbray has been unfair. It's not all he's fault things went pear shaped.Let's give him a decent send off at Saturdays last home game and move on to next season,We have some decent players at the club that would do well in the premier, we have the basis for a premier team we just need more strength in depth,

[RoversTilliDie]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The Travis goal was the best for me. Super diagonal run in possession from Diaz. Always looking to play somebody in. Intelligent play from Travis to get into a good position to receive the pass. The pass was spot on. Travis - cool as you like , knew what he was going to do before the ball arrived. Opened his body up and made the finish look easy. Cherry on the cake. Just when they thought they might have a chance. Extinguished.

The Buckley goal wasn't a bad one.Joy to watch last night Rovers couldn't fault the performance.I said to family and friends some time ago if Rovers get into top gear some team are going to be thrashed.Pity it came a little to late.Promising for next season, build around the players that are still here and go for automatic promotion next year.It took your liverpools and man citys a few years before they won silverware.

Edited April 26, 2022 by RoversTilliDie

[Admiral Nelsen]

12 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

I think it's time for a new manager next season like most supporters, but some of the criticism aimed at Tony Mowbray has been unfair. It's not all he's fault things went pear shaped.Let's give him a decent send off at Saturdays last home game and move on to next season,We have some decent players at the club that would do well in the premier, we have the basis for a premier team we just need more strength in depth,

 

I've been slower than most on here to get to the Mowbray out camp, and I agree that some of the stick that's aimed his way isn't warranted. I think he's shown at different times that he has quite a lot of what is needed to be pretty successful at this level, but sadly none of that really matters because of these horrible spells of form that his teams always seem to go through every new year. I'd be more inclined to share the blame around a bit more for this season if it wasn't such a consistent trend that's followed him his entire career. 

[DE.]

20 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

I think it's time for a new manager next season like most supporters, but some of the criticism aimed at Tony Mowbray has been unfair. It's not all he's fault things went pear shaped.Let's give him a decent send off at Saturdays last home game and move on to next season,We have some decent players at the club that would do well in the premier, we have the basis for a premier team we just need more strength in depth,

To be honest I don't think we have many players that would make the grade at PL level. Potential with Buckley and BBD. Kaminski might make a decent lower-mid table PL keeper. From my perspective that's probably it. Rothwell too inconsistent, Nyambe doesn't contribute enough in assists or goals, too late for Dack now with his injuries I feel. Travis might be a decent squad rotation option for a lower Prem team I suppose.

Anyhow, I don't think there's been much criticism aimed at Mowbray that's unfair. Out of curiousity what do you think is levelled at him regularly that isn't fair? The death spiral stuff has genuine stats behind it, particularly regarding poor performances in the second halves of seasons. He definitely plays people out of position unnecessarily, particularly with the strikers on the wing nonsense. His transfer business has been pretty hit or miss, although generally speaking he does okay in the loan market. He does say some genuinely baffling and at times aggravating things in the press, although I only see what he says if it's posted on here. 

The only time I feel comments are unnecessary is when personal insults are aimed at him. Regardless of his bizarre team selections, general demeanour and at times nonsense comments in the media, I don't think he deserves to be called some of the names I've seen on here and elsewhere. He's just a bang average manager who has outstayed his welcome, for the most part. There will always be that black cloud surrounding the Brockhall incident, and how involved he, Venus and Waggott were in that (especially considering a similar trick was tried at Coventry), but I don't see it brought up very often nowadays.

Edited April 26, 2022 by DE.

[RoversTilliDie]

Rumour has it on facebook that some seats were damaged at deepdale last night, it was probably the preston supporters after the result.

[RoversTilliDie]

3 minutes ago, DE. said:

To be honest I don't think we have many players that would make the grade at PL level. Potential with Buckley and BBD. Kaminski might make a decent lower-mid table PL keeper. From my perspective that's probably it. Rothwell too inconsistent, Nyambe doesn't contribute enough in assists or goals, too late for Dack now with his injuries I feel. Travis might be a decent squad rotation option for a lower Prem team I suppose.

Anyhow, I don't think there's been much criticism aimed at Mowbray that's unfair. Out of curiousity what do you think is levelled at him regularly that isn't fair? The death spiral stuff has genuine stats behind it, particularly regarding poor performances in the second halves of seasons. He definitely plays people out of position unnecessarily, particularly with the strikers on the wing nonsense. His transfer business has been pretty hit or miss, although generally speaking he does okay in the loan market. He does say some genuinely baffling and at times aggravating things in the press, although I only see what he says if it's posted on here. 

The only time I feel comments are unnecessary is when personal insults are aimed at him. Regardless of his bizarre team selections, general demeanour and at times nonsense comments in the media, I don't think he deserves to be called some of the names I've seen on here and elsewhere. He's just a bang average manager who has outstayed his welcome, for the most part. There will always be that black cloud surrounding the Brockhall incident, and how involved he, Venus and Waggott were in that (especially considering a similar trick was tried at Coventry), but I don't see it brought up very often nowadays.

He deserves criticism for some of his tactics and formations that have cost us priceless points, but on some rovers sites i have been on it's been way over the top.Lets not forget the useless refs that have cost us points.I have seen 4 or 5 clear penalties not given at Ewood this season and some diabolicle decisions.And the key players out for long spells in a lightweight rovers squad.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look at Ryan Lowe's comments which he said yesterday's performance was unacceptable and not good enough. 

Their home record is one of the best in the league and are unbeaten at home to any of the top 6 clubs

Firstly Poveda is attacking player whilst Nyambe is a full back so they are very different players and positions. 

We are going for a playoff place and Saturday game is a must win, so I wouldn't change any of the 18 match day squad players. 

Yes he has been a good servant. What a proper goodbye to the fans on Saturday and are you really that bothered by that?

We didn't miss Nyambe last night

Just imagine if Mowbray had switch formation and tactics earlier we might have seen a better improve performance. Sadly Mowbray has done probably too late to secure us a playoff place. 

Youve been very keen to make out that you knew things ahead of the curve but you had Bradley Johnson and James Brown starting!

[roversfan99]

Why are people picking apart choices on the bench? The team selection was bang on yesterday just as it has been very much open to criticism when we have been losing. It doesnt matter which right back who wont be here next season remained as an unused sub. Had Zeefuik come on and made a mistake or took part in a negative result then fair enough.

[Ossydave]

3 hours ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

Nyambe has no attacking threat? Terrible going forward, Lenihan offered far more so that's an odd comment to make. Nyambe is a good defender, but that's all he is good at. Which is ultimately why I can't see him being offered a deal in a higher league than the championship.

[USABlue]

What will screw us is both our rivals, Luton and Sheff U get to play the team already on it's hols, Fulham they will gift em.

[Sparks Rover]

27 minutes ago, USABlue said:

What will screw us is both our rivals, Luton and Sheff U get to play the team already on it's hols, Fulham they will gift em.

No, the team having 4 months off from January 1st has screwed us. 

But let's forget all that because we battered a team who I know a few of them are on the exit train and the rest on the beach.

[Silas]

37 minutes ago, USABlue said:

What will screw us is both our rivals, Luton and Sheff U get to play the team already on it's hols, Fulham they will gift em.

Tell that to Mitrovic, he was losing the plot tonight. 

 

 

[47er]

9 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

We have had some great players coming through the academy into the first team. There have also been some loaned players turning into good players etc elliot. I wonder if this will continue under a new manager.Tony Mowbrays got the trust of some top clubs in the loan department. Dont forget were a club in debt, will it be certain a new manager gets rovers promotion or the dreaded drop into div 1.

So Mowbray forever then?

[Wegerleswiggle]

4 hours ago, deanives said:

What does everyone think of lenihan at RB in a back 4? 

I'm shocked at how comfortable he seems in the position, I know he doesn't give us the attacking threat that nyambe or another attacking rb does but he looks and reminds me of an old fashioned rb of yesteryear

Nyambe gives us no attacking threat. He's a bang average Championship full back. 

[47er]

12 hours ago, Wegerleswiggle said:

Nyambe gives us no attacking threat.

That is  just not true.

Edited April 27, 2022 by 47er

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, islander200 said:

I know what position Poveda plays, but he has been injured for 6 months and spent the majority of his time injured at Leeds not with us.

Why does Zeefuik deserve to be on the bench ahead of Nyambe?

Surely we won't be paying the £3 million fee to make Zeefuik a permanent deal.

I have never said he been ahead of Nyambe but he was. Don't know there is so much focus on 1 player who wasn't in the 18 match day squad. 

I don't know if we will or will not be permanent signing Zeefuik but that a question for after the season is. 

Also what is proper goodbye to the fans on Saturday and why are you so bothered by given Nyambe this?

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Youve been very keen to make out that you knew things ahead of the curve but you had Bradley Johnson and James Brown starting!

Well I have been posting for over 3 weeks on here and social media that we needed to change formation and tactics. Finally Mowbray stop being stubborn and change it. You wanted to keep this back 5 that hasn't work for weeks and cost us our playoff place. 

16 minutes ago, Wegerleswiggle said:

Nyambe gives us no attacking threat. He's a bang average Championship full back. 

Agreed.