New Sporting Director / DOF

[tomphil]

  On 09/06/2022 at 10:00, Mattyblue said:

‘How was your first day?’

’Captain walked out’.

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' I got 10 grand a week off the wage bill straight away '

[martonrover]

How Blackburn Rovers' Gregg Broughton created a Leicester City-esque fairytale at Bodo/Glimt - LancsLive

A headline that is the definition of hyperbole when you read the article.

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[Tricky]

  On 10/06/2022 at 08:23, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

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the resemblance of those two to the fella out of The Hangover

and the kid from Superbad

is really uncanny...

[Darwen Rover 007]

So.. more changes in that Park (head of recruitment) will be replaced.. really interested to see who will come in and their subsequent pedigree.. I think GB is having a real impact on the setup and potential medium term future of our club.. proof always in the pudding, but so far I'm very intrigued 

[matt83]

More good news. Just lowe and Paul fielder and the swamp has been adequately drained. For now.

[bluebruce]

  On 10/06/2022 at 06:45, martonrover said:

How Blackburn Rovers' Gregg Broughton created a Leicester City-esque fairytale at Bodo/Glimt - LancsLive

A headline that is the definition of hyperbole when you read the article.

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In what way? How much of a role he played in it is in question, due to the nature of a youth development, but what Glimt did was pretty Leicester-esque. If anything, better, as they sustained it. The only other real difference is they finished 2nd before they won it (then won it again). But they'd finished towards the bottom end of the table the year before that.

[bluebruce]

  On 21/06/2022 at 14:39, Darwen Rover 007 said:

So.. more changes in that Park (head of recruitment) will be replaced.. really interested to see who will come in and their subsequent pedigree.. I think GB is having a real impact on the setup and potential medium term future of our club.. proof always in the pudding, but so far I'm very intrigued 

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Two new recruiment analysts have come in, which it sounds like Park was at least partly responsible for bringing in. Tom Sutton from Oxford United and Karl Newton from Stockport County. They don't have the best calibre in terms of their previous club, although the lower leagues is inevitably a market we have to look at.

[martonrover]

  On 21/06/2022 at 15:27, bluebruce said:

In what way? How much of a role he played in it is in question, due to the nature of a youth development, but what Glimt did was pretty Leicester-esque. If anything, better, as they sustained it. The only other real difference is they finished 2nd before they won it (then won it again). But they'd finished towards the bottom end of the table the year before that.

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AM: The championship-winning sides of 2020 and 2021 had several important players who came through their academy, but really they were already members of the first team when Broughton arrived at the club

⬆️ In that way. I’m not slagging Broughton off, but the headline for the article is click bait and a blatantly exaggerated claim.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 21/06/2022 at 14:39, Darwen Rover 007 said:

So.. more changes in that Park (head of recruitment) will be replaced.. really interested to see who will come in and their subsequent pedigree.. I think GB is having a real impact on the setup and potential medium term future of our club.. proof always in the pudding, but so far I'm very intrigued 

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Broughton has bought in 2 more scouts/recruitment people aswell in. Tom Sutton from Oxford and Karl Newton from Stockport. 

Staff departure confirmed at Ewood Park as Gregg Broughton confirms two additions - LancsLive

Tom Sutton | LinkedIn

Karl Newton | LinkedIn

[chaddyrovers]

  On 21/06/2022 at 16:46, goozburger said:

Not sure they are Broughton's additions based on his comments.

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I think they are myself. 

Tom Sutton posted this on his LinkedIn profile 21 hours ago

 

[chaddyrovers]

  On 21/06/2022 at 16:58, goozburger said:

Good spot! Although it sounds like Park was still at work and brought them in, even though he's leaving. Not that it matters, I suppose.

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I'm not so sure on that. John Park has now left and so it will be Gregg Broughton will take over the recruitment team now until we appoint a new head of recruitment in my opinion 

[slowmo]

  On 21/06/2022 at 19:12, chaddyrovers said:

I'm not so sure on that. John Park has now left and so it will be Gregg Broughton will take over the recruitment team now until we appoint a new head of recruitment in my opinion 

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So Park has gone ? It was only a couple days ago GB was quoted as saying Park contracted until end of the month and was due to talk about situation. 

I guess then , now had conversation and he's gone 🤣. At least things seem to be happening quickly 

Edited June 21, 2022 by slowmo

[chaddyrovers]

  On 21/06/2022 at 20:55, slowmo said:

So Park has gone ? It was only a couple days ago GB was quoted as saying Park contracted until end of the month and was due to talk about situation. 

I guess then , now had conversation and he's gone 🤣. At least things seem to be happening quickly 

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Rovers announced on their website today. Think Park wants to leave. 

[roversfan99]

Just shows how a director of football being added to the mix can cause delays in getting an additional person to agree to any transfers, as well as providing potential conflict at times.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 21/07/2022 at 17:30, roversfan99 said:

Just shows how a director of football being added to the mix can cause delays in getting an additional person to agree to any transfers, as well as providing potential conflict at times.

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really? 

 

[roversfan99]

  On 21/07/2022 at 17:40, chaddyrovers said:

really? 

 

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Yes. An extra person, an extra level, an extra opinion. 

I am not saying it has or will happen here, just in general that it can cause issues.

[Dreams of 1995]

  On 21/07/2022 at 17:46, roversfan99 said:

Yes. An extra person, an extra level, an extra opinion. 

I am not saying it has or will happen here, just in general that it can cause issues.

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Yep

That many issues that the following clubs have Directors of Football 

Man City, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, PSG, Chelsea, Barcelona, Dortmund….

do you need me to go on? 

Obviously though your finger is more on the pulse than them clubs, with their layers of complexity and conflicts 😃

 

[roversfan99]

  On 21/07/2022 at 18:03, Dreams of 1995 said:

Yep

That many issues that the following clubs have Directors of Football 

Man City, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, PSG, Chelsea, Barcelona, Dortmund….

do you need me to go on? 

Obviously though your finger is more on the pulse than them clubs, with their layers of complexity and conflicts 😃

 

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If I had said that having a director of football always causes further problems then you may have had a point.

 

[Dreams of 1995]

  On 21/07/2022 at 18:07, roversfan99 said:

If I had said that having a director of football always causes further problems then you may have had a point.

 

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Oh of course. This hyper successful model of operating, that has now been adopted by almost every top level club in the world, has no real reason to be doubted 

And it goes to show that a Director of Football being added to the mix may, seemingly, could (or whatever) cause potential conflict and delays is a nonsense 

[roversfan99]

  On 21/07/2022 at 18:13, Dreams of 1995 said:

Oh of course. This hyper successful model of operating, that has now been adopted by almost every top level club in the world, has no real reason to be doubted 

And it goes to show that a Director of Football being added to the mix may, seemingly, could (or whatever) cause potential conflict and delays is a nonsense 

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It is surely common sense. Another person in the process, another person who may disagree with players. Our club already takes ages to do everything anyway.

Obviously the model has plenty of positives too. I never said it shouldnt exist and I know better.

[Dreams of 1995]

  On 21/07/2022 at 18:16, roversfan99 said:

It is surely common sense. Another person in the process, another person who may disagree with players. Our club already takes ages to do everything anyway.

Obviously the model has plenty of positives too. I never said it shouldnt exist and I know better.

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That’s not common sense, no 

In managerial terms it is a constant on the sporting side. Head coaches come and go, the sporting director tends to remain over large periods of time 

A constant in any senior management role is not a complexity or a potential conflict 

It is the job of the sporting director to implement the club vision and sign head coaches that are best suited for it. Otherwise you end up in a situation where the next gaffer decides he wants a total change and you are back at the beginning of a journey 

Our experience over the past 10 years operating without a constant sporting director shows you that. In comparison to clubs like Brentford, who have seen the rise of the club progress even as head coaches have changed 

If what you are saying was common sense then it would suggest that almost every elite club in the world is operating with ‘an added layer of complexity’, usually accompanied by a very high salary, for a nonsensical reason

[roversfan99]

  On 21/07/2022 at 18:26, Dreams of 1995 said:

That’s not common sense, no 

In managerial terms it is a constant on the sporting side. Head coaches come and go, the sporting director tends to remain over large periods of time 

A constant in any senior management role is not a complexity or a potential conflict 

It is the job of the sporting director to implement the club vision and sign head coaches that are best suited for it. Otherwise you end up in a situation where the next gaffer decides he wants a total change and you are back at the beginning of a journey 

Our experience over the past 10 years operating without a constant sporting director shows you that. In comparison to clubs like Brentford, who have seen the rise of the club progress even as head coaches have changed 

If what you are saying was common sense then it would suggest that almost every elite club in the world is operating with ‘an added layer of complexity’, usually accompanied by a very high salary, for a nonsensical reason

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You seem to have read my concerns as if I am saying that this sort of structure should be avoided due to the risks that I raised. I can understand why many clubs have it, there are obvious advantages to it but equally it is not flawless.

One of my main concerns is that our club has constantly seen delays in decision making since these terrible owners joined. Another level in the hierarchy may potentially slightly extend that further.

There is also a risk that the director of football and head coach could disagree on a player, they are two different people with different opinions. I'm sure at times it happens at the big clubs even. I wonder for example if Solskjaer recommended that Ronaldo was to be bought.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 21/07/2022 at 17:46, roversfan99 said:

Yes. An extra person, an extra level, an extra opinion. 

I am not saying it has or will happen here, just in general that it can cause issues.

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I think you are looking for problems in this model already for some unknown reasons. 

Currently Rovers model is working very well and no problems I see at all. 

When Mowbray was here we had 5 or 6 people involved in recruitment meeting. So no different to now. 

  On 21/07/2022 at 21:21, roversfan99 said:

 I wonder for example if Solskjaer recommended that Ronaldo was to be bought.

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No it wasn't his signing but a board decision to sign him and look how that turn out  

[roversfan99]

  On 21/07/2022 at 22:13, chaddyrovers said:

I think you are looking for problems in this model already for some unknown reasons. 

Currently Rovers model is working very well and no problems I see at all. 

When Mowbray was here we had 5 or 6 people involved in recruitment meeting. So no different to now. 

No it wasn't his signing but a board decision to sign him and look how that turn out  

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I never said that it is malfunctioning here nor are either of us in a position to say that it is working "very well" yet. I merely suggested that there are risks whilst saying that there are obvious advantages and that I understand why clubs use it.