Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach

[Sweaty Gussets]

1 minute ago, rigger said:

Have you seen Hirst play. He is shit scared of going in for a challenge for some reason. I have never before seen a player who pulls out of as many tackles.

Saw him on his league debut. He was clearly unfit. JDT mentioned he's not had the same pre-season as everyone else. He scored in the friendly in Spain so hopefully he's up to speed now fitness-wise. He will hopefully be given a chance to prove himself. If not then he goes back and we don't have to buy him. Bit silly to write him off though when he hasn't been given an extended run in the side.  

[rigger]

36 minutes ago, booth said:

Yes, so we can send him back.

The point I was making is that if that's Broughton's idea of a rough diamond, I worry for the future.

The whole point of a rough diamond, is that there is a risk it will not turn out for the best. So getting Hirst on a loan to have a look at him, could have been a shrewed move. I would only call Broughton's judgement into question if he were to buy Hirst on a permanent, after his loan period.

Edited December 16, 2022 by rigger

[booth]

6 minutes ago, rigger said:

The whole point of a rough diamond, is that there is a risk it will not turn out for the best. So getting Hirst on a loan to have a look at him, could have been a shrewed move. I would only call Broughton's judgement into question if he were to buy Hirst on a permanent, after his loan period.

Which is fine if you're basing it on just that.

I'm basing it on Hirst being GB's top striker target, being chased all Summer and not bringing in anyone else whilst Hirst is being developed.

Edited December 16, 2022 by booth

[rigger]

10 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Saw him on his league debut. He was clearly unfit. JDT mentioned he's not had the same pre-season as everyone else. He scored in the friendly in Spain so hopefully he's up to speed now fitness-wise. He will hopefully be given a chance to prove himself. If not then he goes back and we don't have to buy him. Bit silly to write him off though when he hasn't been given an extended run in the side.  

I have seen him play for the U21s. I am making my judgement on what I have seen. It is nothing to do with fitness. You see Hirst sprint quickly towards the ball, then pull up just before a tackle. He has done this consistantly.

[Sweaty Gussets]

13 minutes ago, rigger said:

I have seen him play for the U21s. I am making my judgement on what I have seen. It is nothing to do with fitness. You see Hirst sprint quickly towards the ball, then pull up just before a tackle. He has done this consistantly.

Fine. You're writing him off based on U21 games. I'll wait to see him in a few first team games. 

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

Fine. You're writing him off based on U21 games. I'll wait to see him in a few first team games. 

I doubt very much if Hirst will get a few first team games.

[chaddyrovers]

On 12/12/2022 at 22:49, roversfan99 said:

Brittain has been ok when he has played, not one of the best right backs in the league though! And you have to factor injury proneness when judging a signing, we have signed players far better than Brittain that have failed to meet expectations down to bad luck with injuries.

I stand by my comment that Callum Brittain is one of the best right backs in this league. I wanted him last season as I felt he would be upgrade on Nyambe and get us more attacking intent from there. 

On 12/12/2022 at 22:49, roversfan99 said:

I said all summer that we were crying out for experience in midfield, I feel like that has proven itself to be true, Morton is not an upgrade on what we already have.

I think Morton has talent and one of best performer this season. 

On 12/12/2022 at 22:49, roversfan99 said:

Hyam has been the best of the 6, he isnt amazing and not an upgrade on the 2 that left nor on the main we still have, but happy we have him.

He has very good this season and I think he is upgraded on Lenihan for sure. 

On 12/12/2022 at 22:49, roversfan99 said:

And then that leaves Szmodics who was always IMO going to struggle to justify the fee paid, unremarkable and overpriced.

We have to agree on disagree on this

[roversfan99]

19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I stand by my comment that Callum Brittain is one of the best right backs in this league. I wanted him last season as I felt he would be upgrade on Nyambe and get us more attacking intent from there. 

I think Morton has talent and one of best performer this season. 

He has very good this season and I think he is upgraded on Lenihan for sure. 

We have to agree on disagree on this

Even if Brittain is one of the best right backs in the league, to which there is not much evidence to me, he will have spent half of his first season unavailable. He is steady enough and I am not saying that he is a bad player or anything, but it is hard to call him a success as it stands.

Hyam is the stand out, better than Van Hecke? Perhaps not but a shrewd addition and by far the pick of the summer deals. Overall, a fairly underwhelming window all told IMO.

[Dreams of 1995]

Dom Hyam is better than van Hecke overall

Hes definitely better than Lenihan, who was great for us but is not in the same class as Hyam

Hes not as lightweight and can dig deeper. It’s no surprise we have looked better defensively this season 

But I would love to have van Hecke back don’t get me wrong

[chaddyrovers]

33 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Even if Brittain is one of the best right backs in the league, to which there is not much evidence to me, he will have spent half of his first season unavailable. He is steady enough and I am not saying that he is a bad player or anything, but it is hard to call him a success as it stands.

The injuries he has got has been disappointed but I will stand by that comment he is one of the best right back in this league. He is someone have highly rated for over 12 months. I was surprised more clubs wasn't interested in for him. I am and was delighted we signed him. 

33 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hyam is the stand out, better than Van Hecke? Perhaps not but a shrewd addition and by far the pick of the summer deals. Overall, a fairly underwhelming window all told IMO.

maybe slightly behind Van Hecke but he is very good signing, lead the back 4 and captain material. He is warrior and we need that

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

The injuries he has got has been disappointed but I will stand by that comment he is one of the best right back in this league. He is someone have highly rated for over 12 months. I was surprised more clubs wasn't interested in for him. I am and was delighted we signed him. 

maybe slightly behind Van Hecke but he is very good signing, lead the back 4 and captain material. He is warrior and we need that

I would say that Hyam is less of a warrior but he reads the game well and is very calm and controlled. As I said, the one summer signing of 6 that can definitely be seen as a successful one as we judge today.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

43 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Dom Hyam is better than van Hecke overall

Hes definitely better than Lenihan, who was great for us but is not in the same class as Hyam

Hes not as lightweight and can dig deeper. It’s no surprise we have looked better defensively this season 

But I would love to have van Hecke back don’t get me wrong

I think there’ll be a few clubs in for Van Hecke unfortunately.

[chaddyrovers]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I would say that Hyam is less of a warrior but he reads the game well and is very calm and controlled. As I said, the one summer signing of 6 that can definitely be seen as a successful one as we judge today.

I think your first point is actually view of him. So I agree with you. 

 

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I think your first point is actually view of him. So I agree with you. 

 

Id say Lenihan was a warrior, braver and would stick his head in much more willingly than Hyam. But more rash and didnt read the game as well. Lenihan was also better at winning headers in his own box, Hyam more adept at doing what he kept doing tonight and snuffing out danger on the floor ie closing space for attackers.

[Oldgregg86]

I think a defence of van hecke and Hyam would be the championship equivalent to rio and vidic. Love him to come home 💙🤍

[booth]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Even if Brittain is one of the best right backs in the league, to which there is not much evidence to me, he will have spent half of his first season unavailable. He is steady enough and I am not saying that he is a bad player or anything, but it is hard to call him a success as it stands.

Hyam is the stand out, better than Van Hecke? Perhaps not but a shrewd addition and by far the pick of the summer deals. Overall, a fairly underwhelming window all told IMO.

I don't know whether he the best but he's played very well when on the right side, and even did a good job once on the wrong side. Sadly JDT has taken that one good performance out of position and seems to want to play him there whenever he's fit.

[rigger]

9 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think there’ll be a few clubs in for Van Hecke unfortunately.

We need to strengthen in other departments more urgently, than at central defender. I loved Van Hecke when he was here, but I don't think now is the right time for him at the Rovers

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Id say Lenihan was a warrior, braver and would stick his head in much more willingly than Hyam. But more rash and didnt read the game as well. Lenihan was also better at winning headers in his own box, Hyam more adept at doing what he kept doing tonight and snuffing out danger on the floor ie closing space for attackers.

Lenihan never learnt not to follow the ball when he moved into the back four. What might be good for a midfield player isn’t so good for a centre half.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[booth]

3 hours ago, rigger said:

We need to strengthen in other departments more urgently, than at central defender. I loved Van Hecke when he was here, but I don't think now is the right time for him at the Rovers

Agree that there are more urgent appointments required but Ayala is 32 and no stranger to the treatment room. We need an excellent replacement for him.

[J*B]

1 hour ago, booth said:

Agree that there are more urgent appointments required but Ayala is 32 and no stranger to the treatment room. We need an excellent replacement for him.

Phillips seems to be the answer to the Ayala question. 

[rigger]

1 hour ago, booth said:

Agree that there are more urgent appointments required but Ayala is 32 and no stranger to the treatment room. We need an excellent replacement for him.

Phillips.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, booth said:

Agree that there are more urgent appointments required but Ayala is 32 and no stranger to the treatment room. We need an excellent replacement for him.

Surely Ash Phillips would be the natural replacement for him? Plus we have Sam Barnes that hopefully will come back as well as he can from his injury 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

17 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Dom Hyam is better than van Hecke overall

Hes definitely better than Lenihan, who was great for us but is not in the same class as Hyam

Hes not as lightweight and can dig deeper. It’s no surprise we have looked better defensively this season 

But I would love to have van Hecke back don’t get me wrong

I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who thought Lenihan was absolute toilet. I was thoroughly grateful to Boro for saving me from watching him mince out of defence and then hoof it straight to the oppo keeper time, and time again. I've also really enjoyed how shit he's been at Boro.

This is what Venkys have reduced me to, I can't enjoy actual football anymore so I look for the small, cynical victories 

[Dreams of 1995]

36 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who thought Lenihan was absolute toilet. I was thoroughly grateful to Boro for saving me from watching him mince out of defence and then hoof it straight to the oppo keeper time, and time again. I've also really enjoyed how shit he's been at Boro.

This is what Venkys have reduced me to, I can't enjoy actual football anymore so I look for the small, cynical victories 

I think toilet is unfair 

But I do agree that his distribution was terrible. Hyam is head and shoulders above him 

Lenihan was a good player for us at a time when we needed him. I doubt he will ever get a promotion from this league though 

[booth]

2 hours ago, J*B said:

Phillips seems to be the answer to the Ayala question. 

So Ayala's legs go at 33/34 and we rely on a 18/19 year old who may or may not be the oft-predicted future superstar?

We need experience.