Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, J*B said:

We couldn’t spend any money because of FFP despite selling Armstrong, as the latest accounts show. We also had to sell our training ground to our owners. 

Do the accounts show that? The profits/losses include expenses that are not eligible for FFP calculations. Also, all the way through the summer Mowbray said that we cant spend because Venkys had "gone through a tough time due to covid." If it was FFP im sure they would have trotted out that excuse and it would make a little more sense.

Either way, if we followed a consistent plan of selling assets and buying new ones straight away for a % of the proceeds then we would be fine with FFP anyway.

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

We couldn't spend much last season cos we were on the FFP threshold. 

Do you honestly think selling BBD for less than double figures would be wise really for the team in terms of results and league table? Would we be 3rd right now in the league table if we sold BBD this summer? 

I wasnt advocating selling him and not reinvesting a big chunk. It would mean buying a new striker for perhaps £6m but it would also mean that it isnt as essential as it now has become to get promoted specifically this year. We would then be able to push again consistently year after year.

[J*B]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

We have heard it all before regarding recruitment and plans and projects. Under Venkys we have added staff seemingly with the premise of pushing on only to see everything stripped back again a year or 2 later.

Poor leadership/decision making/planning from the CEO if you ask me.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m convinced - based on numerous interactions with people claiming to be ITK/Rovers staff/Venkys staff - that Venkys have been given a financial document which basically says “if you put X into the club each year, we will run the club so it doesn’t need any further investment.” 

I’m not sure they’ve any idea what the plan is, or why we’re doing it, or the rationale for why. They just know it won’t cost more than X and that is an amount they’re willing the lose each year. 

[Upside Down]

9 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Only professional team in history in which *performances* come before results.

What even is this club.

And the performances have been utter dog shit so what the fuck are we even doing?

I would welcome the administrators with open arms if it meant the end of this lot.

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The past is the part but we need have brought in people in specific roles that our Director of Football and Head of Recruitment so the time to judge isn't on Christmas eve but after next summer transfer window? 

Ill judge as we go. First window, very average with one clear success. My doubts mainly are around Venkys who have historically failed to ever oversee the consistent application of a plan on 12 years. Not a reflection on anyone else.

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, J*B said:

Poor leadership/decision making/planning from the CEO if you ask me.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m convinced - based on numerous interactions with people claiming to be ITK/Rovers staff/Venkys staff - that Venkys have been given a financial document which basically says “if you put X into the club each year, we will run the club so it doesn’t need any further investment.” 

I’m not sure they’ve any idea what the plan is, or why we’re doing it, or the rationale for why. They just know it won’t cost more than X and that is an amount they’re willing the lose each year. 

Not really one to get heavily involved in ITK gossip, but why do Venkys get involved just enough to block certain sales? Senseless.

Our CEO is a clown but these issues were here before he arrived.

[J*B]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Not really one to get heavily involved in ITK gossip, but why do Venkys get involved just enough to block certain sales? Senseless.

Our CEO is a clown but these issues were here before he arrived.

I was once asked to quote on some work for Rovers. I was told it couldn’t cost more than £4,999. I asked why not £5,000 and was told that any expenditure over £4,999 needed approval from Venkys and they didn’t want to bother them. 

I assume that when Venkys have been asked to sign off on selling Rothwell/Brereton they’ve replied “no thanks”.

Why? I’m not sure. But there must be a reason. Go back to Phil Jones, they somehow got Man United to pay more than his buyout figure in his contract. The rumour at the time was they didn’t want to sell their best players. If I was speculating I would say 16M for Phil Jones, or 15M for Armstrong, or 8M for Brereton, or 3M for Rothwell really is peanuts for them. Their eyes don’t light up at it. 

[roversfan99]

11 minutes ago, J*B said:

I was once asked to quote on some work for Rovers. I was told it couldn’t cost more than £4,999. I asked why not £5,000 and was told that any expenditure over £4,999 needed approval from Venkys and they didn’t want to bother them. 

I assume that when Venkys have been asked to sign off on selling Rothwell/Brereton they’ve replied “no thanks”.

Why? I’m not sure. But there must be a reason. Go back to Phil Jones, they somehow got Man United to pay more than his buyout figure in his contract. The rumour at the time was they didn’t want to sell their best players. If I was speculating I would say 16M for Phil Jones, or 15M for Armstrong, or 8M for Brereton, or 3M for Rothwell really is peanuts for them. Their eyes don’t light up at it. 

It might not mean much to them, but such an attitude is undermining any attempt to instil a plan at our club and it pisses me off.

[Oldgregg86]

How are we supposed to attract good players I.e players of van hecke quality or a replacement for BB aswell as convince our top youth prospects aka Wharton/Phillips to stay for the project when they hear that results arnt the aim and it’s going to take six windows to even get near the aim. 

why would van hecke and co want to sign to sit around in mid table waiting for it to click, if Wharton and Philips have a break through six months and establish themselves why would they want to hang around when decent clubs start circling.
 

Even if we receive decent fees for them, our wage structure and blase attitude towards results will put off getting the right replacements in and it’s one step forward, two back all the time. Players like the Cb sheff united signed will continue signing for those clubs, as will van hecke or demebele and we will continue to end up with your hirsts and molas of this world. 
 

We desperately need a better more cohesive plan than what we are currently doing or at best we will have what we have had throughout the Mowbray tenure and one bad season takes us into a right mess and this scenario is far more likely than getting lucky with a promotion. 
 

Brentford was used as an example and we seem to have played with the idea of this model but without any actual conviction of fully being committed to implementing it

im just not convinced by any of it whilst hoping I’m wrong

 

[Wheelton Blue]

16 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Which do you mean by go for it? If it spending loads of money we don't have it due to FFP but we can trade and buy the squad that wise. We now have invested in the recruitment department and brought in Gus Williams and several new staff members to we need to allow that to find the right players and for the right prices. Hopefully we can find some gems in European market like Belgium, Germany and Scandinavia areas. Plus keep developing and using our own players from the academy.   

 

Did Sean Dyche spend loads of money getting Burnley promoted the first time around?

He saw what he had, saw what was needed, found a playing of playing that suited, and got them up in 18 months or so.

I for one am tired of hearing about multi year plans. I'd much prefer the manager to say, 'I'm going to get us promoted as quickly as possible'.

[chaddyrovers]

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Do the accounts show that? The profits/losses include expenses that are not eligible for FFP calculations. Also, all the way through the summer Mowbray said that we cant spend because Venkys had "gone through a tough time due to covid." If it was FFP im sure they would have trotted out that excuse and it would make a little more sense.

yes the account show that. Reading them shown this and Football finance expert Kieran Maguire has said this. That without the sale of Armstrong and selling the training ground to Venkys we would have falling fouls of the FFP rules. It is very simple to understand and Rovers have reduce the wage bill over the last 2 years aswell. 

(1) Kieran Maguire on Twitter: "Blackburn parent company Venkys London had £20m loss to year ended 31 March 2022 but profits on sale of Armstrong and property assets to another Venky’s company turned this into a small profit #Rovers https://t.co/gQP6wriY78" / Twitter

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I wasnt advocating selling him and not reinvesting a big chunk. It would mean buying a new striker for perhaps £6m but it would also mean that it isnt as essential as it now has become to get promoted specifically this year. We would then be able to push again consistently year after year.

Surely we would need to bring in left side attacking player to replace BBD directly? 

I also don't subscribe to the notion that getting promote specifically this season cos BBD might leave in the summer. No club offered an amount we deems suitable to accept the offer. Now we have the new recruitment team in place we will hopefully be scouting for possible replacements for BBD whether it's attacking left side player or striker or both. 

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Ill judge as we go. First window, very average with one clear success. My doubts mainly are around Venkys who have historically failed to ever oversee the consistent application of a plan on 12 years. Not a reflection on anyone else.

Most of the recruitment team weren't in place during the first transfer window so I would say unfair to judge them on that. Gus Williams came in very late in July, Luke Griffin arrived in October as our head of European scouting, Luke Evans arrived in October as our head of Data Scouting. Only Tom Sutton joined in the summer. So I think it would be very unwise and unfair to pin any blame on the recruitment team that most weren't in place at that time. Surely you will accept it that? 

4 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Did Sean Dyche spend loads of money getting Burnley promoted the first time around?

He saw what he had, saw what was needed, found a playing of playing that suited, and got them up in 18 months or so.

I for one am tired of hearing about multi year plans. I'd much prefer the manager to say, 'I'm going to get us promoted as quickly as possible'.

JDT has been here 6 months and we are 3rd in the league. Its been a great start and beyond my expectations for this season. 

JDT is working the league out and how he wants them to play and who fits that and not. 

[Mattyblue]

That last paragraph, you’ve literally just nicked that from J*B. Try getting your opinions in 2023…

[Sweaty Gussets]

When I see pictures of JDT, or see him on the TV,  I instantly think of Dougal from Father Ted.

[Doogs]

On 25/12/2022 at 10:51, chaddyrovers said:

yes the account show that. Reading them shown this and Football finance expert Kieran Maguire has said this. That without the sale of Armstrong and selling the training ground to Venkys we would have falling fouls of the FFP rules. It is very simple to understand and Rovers have reduce the wage bill over the last 2 years aswell. 

(1) Kieran Maguire on Twitter: "Blackburn parent company Venkys London had £20m loss to year ended 31 March 2022 but profits on sale of Armstrong and property assets to another Venky’s company turned this into a small profit #Rovers https://t.co/gQP6wriY78" / Twitter

Surely we would need to bring in left side attacking player to replace BBD directly? 

I also don't subscribe to the notion that getting promote specifically this season cos BBD might leave in the summer. No club offered an amount we deems suitable to accept the offer. Now we have the new recruitment team in place we will hopefully be scouting for possible replacements for BBD whether it's attacking left side player or striker or both. 

Most of the recruitment team weren't in place during the first transfer window so I would say unfair to judge them on that. Gus Williams came in very late in July, Luke Griffin arrived in October as our head of European scouting, Luke Evans arrived in October as our head of Data Scouting. Only Tom Sutton joined in the summer. So I think it would be very unwise and unfair to pin any blame on the recruitment team that most weren't in place at that time. Surely you will accept it that? 

JDT has been here 6 months and we are 3rd in the league. Its been a great start and beyond my expectations for this season. 

JDT is working the league out and how he wants them to play and who fits that and not. 

JDT and his special project will drive the fans away...He is out of his depth here.

[davulsukur]

On 25/12/2022 at 10:51, chaddyrovers said:

JDT is working the league out and how he wants them to play and who fits that and not. 

There is nothing to suggest any of that is true. 

There hasn't been any continual improvement to suggest that he is working anything out. We aren't adapting or evolving, we keep making the same mistakes time and time again.

[Sweaty Gussets]

I'm starting to intensely dislike the smug tw*t...watch to the end if you can stomach it. 

[davulsukur]

34 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

I'm starting to intensely dislike the smug tw*t...watch to the end if you can stomach it. 

Asked some decent questions to him to be fair.

[matt83]

Where to start with that load of shit. Like his predecessor he never takes any personal accountability and he’s trotting out project instead of journey. He almost sounds like doesn’t want to go up. 

Slightly harder line of questioning but he let jdt off the hook a few times. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Doogs said:

JDT and his special project will drive the fans away...He is out of his depth here.

we are 3rd in the league. Is that being out of his depth? 

I don't understand why fans aren't very happy with our league position when you consider the amount of playing staff changes and backroom staff changes that have happened in the last 6 months. Being 3rd now is well ahead where I thought we would be

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

There is nothing to suggest any of that is true. 

There hasn't been any continual improvement to suggest that he is working anything out. We aren't adapting or evolving, we keep making the same mistakes time and time again.

Look at last week game at Norwich compare to PNE game. Today we should have got a draw hadn't Travis done what he done

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

33 minutes ago, matt83 said:

Where to start with that load of shit. Like his predecessor he never takes any personal accountability and he’s trotting out project instead of journey. He almost sounds like doesn’t want to go up. 

Slightly harder line of questioning but he let jdt off the hook a few times. 

After that dingles debacle he should have apologised profusely to the fans. The fact that he didn’t feel the need, like it was just another game, tells me all I need to know. How long is his contract ?

[matt83]

2025. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

After that dingles debacle he should have apologised profusely to the fans. The fact that he didn’t feel the need, like it was just another game, tells me all I need to know. How long is his contract ?

2 and half years more yet. 

More than happy with the current league position after 6 months of him in charge. Look at how long Farke took at Norwich to get it right there. 

[simongarnerisgod]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

After that dingles debacle he should have apologised profusely to the fans. The fact that he didn’t feel the need, like it was just another game, tells me all I need to know. How long is his contract ?

i don`t think he`ll carry on if his "project" is`nt working,january and the summer transfer window are vital to him,if things hav`nt improved by this time next year he`ll be off by his own valition,he won`t top up his pension like mowbray did

[Oldgregg86]

2 hours ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

I'm starting to intensely dislike the smug tw*t...watch to the end if you can stomach it. 

How are people watching these. When I click on them it sends me to a written article and nothing to watch

[BankEnd Rover]

1 hour ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

I'm starting to intensely dislike the smug tw*t...watch to the end if you can stomach it. 

Not really a fair post as this is no different to how he is on all interviews. 
 

The most laughable thing in that interview is the interviewer him self saying “why not” to JDT comments saying you cannot concede that late in the way we did as if he was playing…maybe a chance for him to say “it was Lewis travis fault as he should of  f**kin cleared first time”.                   

[BankEnd Rover]

Preston loosing at home to probably the worst team in the league just shows how mental this league is….I certainly didn’t expect us to get anything from today so not too bogged down with it…x2 home games coming up so if we can grab 4 points from that I’ll be more than happy…