Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

34 minutes ago, arbitro said:

We are approaching a transfer window too and three or four signings who hit the ground running can be the difference between playoffs and ultimately promotion. His interview was really negative and must have riled many supporters who still care and harbour ambition for our club (despite the abhorrent owners). Any potential half season ticket buyers must be having second thoughts now and in truth who can blame them.

Tomasson and Broughton are treading a fine line now in respect of our patience.

I could have watched the game on Boxing Day for free at my sons. I just couldn’t summon up the.heart to make my excuses to my family. At one time I would have risked the wrath of Mrs Shoelaces when we had a house full of visitors. Same goes for tomorrow. I’ve got the lurgy that’s going around at the moment so attending in person isn’t a starter but again I think I could go up to my sons to watch the match. I just can’t bothered. I was going to have my ashes scattered at Ewood when the time comes, I’ve no heart for that now. 

Edited December 28, 2022 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[OldEwoodBlue]

The project (as has been stated many times by faces from the club) is to become a fully self sustained club (under FFP) and get away from the Benefactor model.

Presently we lose £20 million pa which they fund. They want us to be net zero and have identified player value and trading as the only possible way to do that, with a town club who has 8 or 9000 loyal customers.

As fully invested (heart and soul) fans we naturally focus on the next game, the last game, the league position, our rivals, our hopes and dreams.

This is not at all what their project is about.

It is Venkys business transformation plan and JDT is just one of their (current) management team who is implenting it.

I doubt we will ever want a statue of Balaji.

[rigger]

17 hours ago, DE. said:

Pretty much, and you know at least 4 or 5 clubs will have a better second half of the season, if not more, so you have to expect we'll eventually finish a fair way off the playoff spots unless we see a radical improvement in performances between now and the end of the season. It's not impossible but despite our current position it's difficult to be optimistic. 

Let's hope we are one of the 4 or 5.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Their plan is never going to happen. Neither is JDT’s. We haven’t the money to buy players of the quality needed to play keep ball. The sooner he realises that the better. 

[Mattyblue]

3 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

The project (as has been stated many times by faces from the club) is to become a fully self sustained club (under FFP) and get away from the Benefactor model.

Presently we lose £20 million pa which they fund. They want us to be net zero and have identified player value and trading as the only possible way to do that, with a town club who has 8 or 9000 loyal customers.

As fully invested (heart and soul) fans we naturally focus on the next game, the last game, the league position, our rivals, our hopes and dreams.

This is not at all what their project is about.

It is Venkys business transformation plan and JDT is just one of their (current) management team who is implenting it.

I doubt we will ever want a statue of Balaji.

Then we may as well get used to being a Championship/L1 yo-yo club akin to a Barnsley.

‘Sustainable PL club’ my arse.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

21 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Then we may as well get used to being a Championship/L1 yo-yo club akin to a Barnsley.

 

That is what I now fear many of our supporters have excepted.

But...'never mind,they cant take our memories away'😳

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Simple Yes overall.

Some questions for you to answer

1) Do you enjoy watching JDT's style of football and his team selection? if you don't why or if so why? 

2) Would you not subscribe that league position is the most important than anything? 

Typical head coach talk trying to take the pressure of the players

1) No, not at all, I mentioned the other day that it has been as boring as since Appleton's terrible tenure here. Every manager since (purely on an entertainment basis, not how good/bad they did) has displayed more entertaining football.

2) 100%. Hence why I have certainly never questioned Tomasson's position, even if I do have doubts and certainly not a complete, unwavering faith that this "project" WILL be a success.

When Mowbray came out with similar guff about a journey, he was lambasted. Sick of hearing about the project.

I think when Tomasson came in with what he said and with his playing history, people I think were easily fooled into thinking that he would be an attack minded coach. We have scored 6 goals in 7 games in the league including 2 own goals and barely ever look like scoring. The ball takes ages to get into the oppositions half, and combinations between players are non existent, as if they aren't being trained on linking up to break down defences. All season we have barely threatened in the early weeks were reliant on numerous screamers and clinical finishing, especially from Brereton and even he can't score anymore in such a dysfunctioning attacking side. I actually think his skills more lie in organising a side, especially defending and managing a lead.

Recruitment has not helped either in attacking positions. Hirst is an absolute joke (first choice!) and Szmodics is an overpriced League 1 standard player, not one who can help other than occasionally with what our supposed aim is, to get into the top 6.

[broadsword]

You do wonder if it's possible to force a change in ownership. Maybe a labour government will effect a change in the law and change English football to a German model. That would spoil the venkys fun.

This nonsense is just killing me

 

[tomphil]

Sustainable model ?

Well they never take on a big sponsorship ( we are told they've turned bids down before anyone says who will sponsor us). They even let go a large local company who sponsored a stand. 

Never sell players when they are peak for selling in favour of letting them run their contracts down or go for minimal fee. Won't make a concerted effort to increase attendances in speculate to accumulate fashion like a lot of local clubs have. Pay for an increasing team of executives and backroom staff and the expanding ladies set up.

Yet always seem reluctant to really have a promotion tilt in favour of novice coaches etc.

It's a set up that loses 15-20 mill  per year and that seems sustainable to their empire almost like they don't need or want Prem income to cancel that out.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Sustainable model ?

Well they never take on a big sponsorship ( we are told they've turned bids down before anyone says who will sponsor us). They even let go a large local company who sponsored a stand. 

Never sell players when they are peak for selling in favour of letting them run their contracts down or go for minimal fee. Won't make a concerted effort to increase attendances in speculate to accumulate fashion like a lot of local clubs have. Pay for an increasing team of executives and backroom staff and the expanding ladies set up.

Yet always seem reluctant to really have a promotion tilt in favour of novice coaches etc.

It's a set up that loses 15-20 mill  per year and that seems sustainable to their empire almost like they don't need or want Prem income to cancel that out.

 

Inexplicable, which ever way you look at it.

[47er]

On 28/12/2022 at 21:31, Gav said:

Spot on Matty.

I had a text message from a fellow messageboard member yesterday asking me why we still bother, if the odds and owners are against us what is the point? The obvious reply was its in the blood, we can't help but bother and support the club, but I'm sure for many, it is becoming less appealing and more galling season upon season.

I've come to terms with the fact we are never going up, I try to enjoy watching the players on show, watch the younger players develop. I'm not sure how long that will last but I still have the enthusiasm right now....

 

The problem is Gav, we are "old" Rovers supporters, brought up to it from birth. Who's going to take our place? How will we attract new supporters with this acceptance of mediocrity?

Edited December 29, 2022 by 47er

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

1) No, not at all, I mentioned the other day that it has been as boring as since Appleton's terrible tenure here. Every manager since (purely on an entertainment basis, not how good/bad they did) has displayed more entertaining football.

2) 100%. Hence why I have certainly never questioned Tomasson's position, even if I do have doubts and certainly not a complete, unwavering faith that this "project" WILL be a success.

thanks for answering the questions. 

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I think when Tomasson came in with what he said and with his playing history, people I think were easily fooled into thinking that he would be an attack minded coach. We have scored 6 goals in 7 games in the league including 2 own goals and barely ever look like scoring. The ball takes ages to get into the oppositions half, and combinations between players are non existent, as if they aren't being trained on linking up to break down defences. All season we have barely threatened in the early weeks were reliant on numerous screamers and clinical finishing, especially from Brereton and even he can't score anymore in such a dysfunctioning attacking side. I actually think his skills more lie in organising a side, especially defending and managing a lead.

Fair points. JDT does currently focus on making us organising a side. Maybe he might go to an attacking style in the coming weeks and depending on signings in January and players back fit 100% now. 

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Recruitment has not helped either in attacking positions. Hirst is an absolute joke (first choice!) and Szmodics is an overpriced League 1 standard player, not one who can help other than occasionally with what our supposed aim is, to get into the top 6.

I think Szmodics has been decent enough and he has scored some goals and assists a couple. 

 

[roversfan99]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

thanks for answering the questions. 

Fair points. JDT does currently focus on making us organising a side. Maybe he might go to an attacking style in the coming weeks and depending on signings in January and players back fit 100% now. 

I think Szmodics has been decent enough and he has scored some goals and assists a couple. 

 

You also think that Hirst just needs a run of games, unless his pointless cameo on Boxing Day was the final straw for you?

We seem to have got worse and worse going forward as time has gone on. We neither have a discernible style that gets the ball to the attacking players very often, nor do the attacking players look like any training has gone into attacking leading to an absence of pass and move and decisions repeatedly made that are wrong. You could point at individuals and question their form but when the whole team is not offering a goal threat, it goes beyond that. 

[Upside Down]

12 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

 LET today:

"Despite sitting third in the table, Tomasson has played down expectations or talk of a promotion push, stating that Rovers aren’t expected to challenge"

Is this the mind set he is selling to the Squad while we sit in third position?

Fuck off JDT you fucking dolloper.

Yet another venkys appointment just here to clip the ticket and pick up a wage.

[47er]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You also think that Hirst just needs a run of games, unless his pointless cameo on Boxing Day was the final straw for you?

We seem to have got worse and worse going forward as time has gone on. We neither have a discernible style that gets the ball to the attacking players very often, nor do the attacking players look like any training has gone into attacking leading to an absence of pass and move and decisions repeatedly made that are wrong. You could point at individuals and question their form but when the whole team is not offering a goal threat, it goes beyond that. 

We don't seem to have a recognisable system. We create few chances. We spend most of our time hoping that something will turn up.

[Sparks Rover]

53 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Fair points. JDT does currently focus on making us organising a side.

 

Ah, so the chasm in our midfield v the nobbers was him organised was it?..🙈 shit the bed.

[Dan]

13 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

 LET today:

"Despite sitting third in the table, Tomasson has played down expectations or talk of a promotion push, stating that Rovers aren’t expected to challenge"

Is this the mind set he is selling to the Squad while we sit in third position?

No wonder most of the players look like they have zero fight in them. 

13 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Seemingly the whole ethos of BRFC - as proven last January.

A very strange football club.

Very. Rotten from the core. 

12 hours ago, K-Hod said:

What a way to run a club. Chance of promotion, which is the point of being in the competition in the first place- ‘no thanks mate’.

This is rubbing off on me and I’m sure others. Why should we bother to waste time and money on them. 

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Simple Yes overall.

Some questions for you to answer

1) Do you enjoy watching JDT's style of football and his team selection? if you don't why or if so why? 

2) Would you not subscribe that league position is the most important than anything? 

Typical head coach talk trying to take the pressure of the players

FFS Chaddy, your blind optimism is absolutely baffling. Will it take as long as it did with Mowbray for the penny to drop with you? 

[Upside Down]

Third in the league and not even considering promotion. 

JDT out.

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

3 hours ago, tomphil said:

Sustainable model ?

Well they never take on a big sponsorship ( we are told they've turned bids down before anyone says who will sponsor us). They even let go a large local company who sponsored a stand. 

Never sell players when they are peak for selling in favour of letting them run their contracts down or go for minimal fee. Won't make a concerted effort to increase attendances in speculate to accumulate fashion like a lot of local clubs have. Pay for an increasing team of executives and backroom staff and the expanding ladies set up.

Yet always seem reluctant to really have a promotion tilt in favour of novice coaches etc.

It's a set up that loses 15-20 mill  per year and that seems sustainable to their empire almost like they don't need or want Prem income to cancel that out.

 

I interpreted sustainable as referring to staying in the Premier League after promotion rather than anything financial. Which, to me at least, explains his lack of interest in playing to the “strengths” of players like Gallagher and Travis, who aren’t good enough at this level, let alone the next one.

I’ll be very interested to see who he ships out this window and the next. By talking about needing multiple windows, I think he’s basically told most of the senior players they’ll be on their way if they can’t do things like control and pass the ball.

[Upside Down]

Easiest way to get shut of them is make a solid effort to get up then bin them off as they aren't good enough for the top division. 

The guy is a dolloper and a bullshitter. Get rid and get someone with the slightest shred of ambition. 

[Mattyblue]

Why would the club do that? He is following their remit.

[Upside Down]

Exactly. 

I was speaking hypothetically of course, pretending that we were a real club.

[JHRover]

23 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

The project (as has been stated many times by faces from the club) is to become a fully self sustained club (under FFP) and get away from the Benefactor model.

Presently we lose £20 million pa which they fund. They want us to be net zero and have identified player value and trading as the only possible way to do that, with a town club who has 8 or 9000 loyal customers.

As fully invested (heart and soul) fans we naturally focus on the next game, the last game, the league position, our rivals, our hopes and dreams.

This is not at all what their project is about.

It is Venkys business transformation plan and JDT is just one of their (current) management team who is implenting it.

I doubt we will ever want a statue of Balaji.

The evidence suggests otherwise.

If the project claimed by the Club was indeed to become fully self sustained then there would not be situations occurring where £10 million+ worth of players, including academy graduates, walked out of the door for nothing to rival clubs. Yes that one again because it simply doesn't stack up.

If the project claimed was to become fully self sustained then we would have a club shop stocked with products for Xmas shoppers to buy rather than no replica kits in October and a shrug of the shoulders 'no can do' attitude.

We lose so much money BECAUSE of their management, their management has made this worse, not better. 

A few years ago we had 11,000 season ticket holders, despite the standard of football staying largely the same and a promotion since then we've lost another 3000 or so. Why? Because of mismanagement. Local clubs are proving that better numbers are attainable where there is an effort.

[JHRover]

11 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Third in the league and not even considering promotion. 

JDT out.

He just knows that the Club never wanted it. It was never his job to deliver and it was never the reason he was brought in.

I think JDT would have come here wanting promotion, as would a Carvalhal or Farke in the summer, but a few weeks or months working for this mob will have got the message home that they've no intention of going for it.

The proof will be in January. Yet again there will be a loan or two at best and all the talk will be of projects and FFP whilst rival clubs will go out quickly into the market and strengthen with players able to hit the ground running.

They will think they sound clever but will ultimately look stupid as we blow what remains our best shot at promotion since we left the PL. 

[J*B]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

A few years ago we had 11,000 season ticket holders, despite the standard of football staying largely the same and a promotion since then we've lost another 3000 or so. Why? Because of mismanagement. Local clubs are proving that better numbers are attainable where there is an effort.

When you speak to the club about STs, they consistently say “there are thousands of fans that will not come back to this club under Venkys ownership, for whatever reason”. 

As far as I can see, they use Venkys as an excuse when explaining to Venkys why they generate so little income. 

And it’s nonsense. There are probably hundreds now that don’t turn up simply because of Venkys. The rest are people that have found something else to do until they can be enticed back or don’t feel important because nobody is making any effort for them to come back.