Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach

[jim mk2]

11 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Interesting that he refers to his wife and kids both living in the Netherlands and him not seeing much of them. Some sacrifice but goes to show what people in football do to progress and take on good opportunities.

 

If he sees Rovers as a "project (his word),  how is that going to work in the medium to longer term?

The answer is that it won't work, and he'll be looking to move closer to home sooner rather than later

 

[JHRover]

7 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

 

If he sees Rovers as a "project (his word),  how is that going to work in the medium to longer term?

The answer is that it won't work, and he'll be looking to move closer to home sooner rather than later

 

Not sure about that. He's had a well travelled career both as a player (Denmark, Holland, Italy, England, Spain, Germany) and as a coach/manager (Holland, Denmark, Sweden, England)

It comes with the territory if you are ambitious and want to progress. I expect to see JDT coach in an array of European nations in his career 

It shows what sacrifices need to be made to be successful rather than the plod along to nowhere with Uncle Tony gracing us with his presence.

Mucking him around like we did in January is the sort of thing that will see him on the plane out of here.

 

[Upside Down]

I did think the gushing over JDT was somewhat premature. 

Yet ANOTHER no show performance and ANOTHER game thrown away.

We should be challenging for top two right now, if we'd have bothered to turn up for these games we would have picked up enough points to do so.

I'm sure JDT will be off in summer anyway, no doubt to a club that can fill out basic paperwork. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

I did think the gushing over JDT was somewhat premature. 

Yet ANOTHER no show performance and ANOTHER game thrown away.

We should be challenging for top two right now, if we'd have bothered to turn up for these games we would have picked up enough points to do so.

I'm sure JDT will be off in summer anyway, no doubt to a club that can fill out basic paperwork. 

He ballsed up at half time not making changes. It was obvious the starting line up wasn’t working. Totally outthought by their guy tonight.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Upside Down]

5 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He ballsed up at half time not making changes. It was obvious the starting line up wasn’t working. Totally outthought by their guy tonight.

It's a recurring theme in these defeats.

[tomphil]

They've never looked like they have the first clue what to do when we are losing that's the grim recurring theme. Never seems to be a tactical plan with the subs it's just throw on some fresh legs and hope.

We had 5 years of that.

[roversfan99]

I personally think there is pressure on Tomasson from a supporter perspective in the rest of the season. Obviously last season was more dramatic a fall but we were in the top 6 and fell away. 8th would have potentially been seen as overachievement at the start, but the way we fell away caused anger and frustration.

If we was to lose a chance of a place at Wembley AND fall away from the top 6, you can say project all you want but there would be so much annoyance and it would feel like neither will ever happen.

[Mattyblue]

Interesting how TM was allowed to tread water for five years with little to no fan discontent, yet JDT will be in for it after one season? (And that’s with every chance that in that one season he betters TM’s *best* league finish and far better cup performances).

The strange phenomenon of Teflon Tony strikes again…

Edited March 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

I doubt it will manifest into anything much (or at all) in stadiums and I may be totally wrong. But it would be more generalised than specific, imagine how it would feel on the back of falling away so badly last season if we fell away this year AND spurned a chance to get to Wembley.

Both inherited totally different situations, the initial remit under Mowbray was to get us back up and re-established, Tomasson surely to try and push us beyond the glass ceiling and push us on having finished 8th last season. It would be impossible to escape the feeling that it will never happen if it fell away again.

[Mattyblue]

Initial remit, certainly. But still treading water by year 3, 4? Don’t think a re-established Championship club (and fanbase) buying teenagers for £7million should’ve been satisfied in mid to lower table every season, but most seemed to be.

Don’t disagree that he’d get flak, the ground was very close to turning only a few weeks ago against Swansea. End of the day TM was given a free pass that no manager before or since did/will get.

Edited March 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[AllRoverAsia]

The initial remit under Mowbray was to keep us in the Championship.

He failed, his own words.

[roversfan99]

I think it was quite unique in that the poorest season of Mowbray happened to fall in Covid times so not only did he evade any potential flak but even then, people didnt seemingly take the same interest over ifollow. He was lucky in that regards. When we came back, Mowbray happened to time a great first half of the season with a fanbase relieved to be back in stadiums.

Even against Swansea I didnt personally sense much beyond the normal moans and groans of a very poor performance. There is a general malaise around the club but it seems like January onwards from last year seems to have really naturally hurt people after a decade of nothingness and the potential for a repeat would be hard to stomach.

[Mattyblue]

If Swansea would’ve scored (we were 7th at the time, by the way, not 17th) he’d have got both barrels, I’m in NO1 and you know when a crowd is about to turn.

I never sensed that in the TM era…

Edited March 11, 2023 by Mattyblue

[booth]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

If Swansea would’ve scored he’d have got both barrels, I’m in NO1 and you know when a crowd is about to turn.

I never sensed that in the TM era…

JDT is definitely bearing the brunt of all the years of frustration. And the next man will probably get it worse.

We have a section of the fanbase that often doesn't expect us to win, yet are surprised after a defeat. That knows that Sam Gallagher is a limited footballer/we struggle for goals, but expect a good attacking performance. That knows the club didn't invest a penny in January, but expect better than last season. That predicted a mid or even lower table finish pre season, but now expect play offs minimum. For a fanbase used to continual disappointments year after year, we're an entitled bunch.

The next manager need to be less a manager and more a miracle worker.

[Sweaty Gussets]

Championship points/positions during Mowbray era:

60pts 15th

63pts 11th

57pts 15th

69pts 8th

The most we've ever got in a CH season in Venky era is 70pts in 13/14 under Bowyer. Think we finished 8th then too.

4 wins and a draw from the next 10 games and we'll have our highest ever CH points total during the Venky reign. Considering it's his first season and he's being supported by people who can't even complete a transfer, JDT's doing pretty well. 

 

 

Edited March 11, 2023 by Sweaty Gussets

[chaddyrovers]

We have had no death spinal winless run like previous 4 seasons and Mowbray got to much of free pass including myself which I think wasn't right looking back. Mowbray did better with less players in the squad than one with more players options

JDT seems to be under pressure from some supporters and a guy who sits in front of me still doesn't like JDT as head coach and doesn't think he should be head coach even now. He is still think Mowbray is the best thing since slice bread. 

I think JDT has been an upgraded on Mowbray and he will get us promotion during his time here. Yes we do need to more consistent with results and performance but we have seen some great performances but some dire ones. Recent wins and performances have seen good performances and result like Leicester or Sheffield united games but winning against Swansea whilst we picked 2 massive injuries to 2 key players but found a way to win 

[roversfan99]

My point was more about the general feeling that our fans would be forgiven for having IF on the back of last seasons collapse, we failed to get to Wembley AND fell again out of the play offs. The last 11 or 12 years have not been pleasant and it would create a feeling of hopelessness.

Forget the crap about a project or a journey, its just hot air and typical manager speak. There is a great opportunity both to get to Wembley by winning at a Championship club and to get into the top 6 of a very average Championship. Do even one of those and I think Tomasson will gain a hell of a lot of credit and establish some faith and hope again, and there should be expectation to at least achieve one of those aims. Fail on both counts and it would be a huge disappointment and then we would go on to lose our main asset for free and with the shambles of a transfer window in January under the new structure, it could lead to some unrest. Its up to Tomasson now, the business end of the season.

[tomphil]

When we WLWL we pick up more points than when we suddenly found how to draw every game so i'm ok will being back on that bandwagon.

Weds night is a big'un !

[DE.]

Even if we ultimately fall out of the playoff spots this season, it won't compare to the absolute disaster that was the last few months of the 2021/22 season. It almost felt as bad as being relegated, and was compounded by the utter inevitability of that end of season collapse that we'd all become accustomed to under the last manager. Even if we finish outside of the playoffs JDT has shown enough to have earned backing from all parties in the summer. Just have to hope he's still around at the start of next season.

[roversfan99]

I just feel the situation is not even specific to managers. If we had 2 seasons in which we blew top 6 places and being a Championship side away from Wembley, there wouldnt be any faith in us ever getting anywhere. We could start next season well and still we would expect the worst and it would cause so much frustration. I think for everyones sake we need at least something from this season, either a trip to Wembley or a play off place.

At the end of the day, we've spent the vast majority of the first 36 games in the top 6. It wouldn't be entitled to be incredibly annoyed if we don't make it. We aren't a minnow and you look at someone like Luton who are above us again, we shouldn't just contently accept finishing outside. I get why the manager like the last one bangs on about not expecting things because he wants to try and lower expectations but its quite sad how so many seem to be pre-emptively accepting not being competitive as if we are the odd team out at the top. Venkys have stripped us of any ambition and any expectation and its so sad.

[roverandout]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We have had no death spinal winless run like previous 4 seasons and Mowbray got to much of free pass including myself which I think wasn't right looking back. Mowbray did better with less players in the squad than one with more players options

JDT seems to be under pressure from some supporters and a guy who sits in front of me still doesn't like JDT as head coach and doesn't think he should be head coach even now. He is still think Mowbray is the best thing since slice bread. 

I think JDT has been an upgraded on Mowbray and he will get us promotion during his time here. Yes we do need to more consistent with results and performance but we have seen some great performances but some dire ones. Recent wins and performances have seen good performances and result like Leicester or Sheffield united games but winning against Swansea whilst we picked 2 massive injuries to 2 key players but found a way to win 

Good of you to admit you were wrong 

[roverandout]

I'm still 100 percent behind jdt. There are a few things he needs to iron out. In game management the main one.  I. Fully believe he will have us there eventually 

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Good of you to admit you were wrong 

Always willing to admit when I get it wrong and post it on here

[booth]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I just feel the situation is not even specific to managers. If we had 2 seasons in which we blew top 6 places and being a Championship side away from Wembley, there wouldnt be any faith in us ever getting anywhere. We could start next season well and still we would expect the worst and it would cause so much frustration. I think for everyones sake we need at least something from this season, either a trip to Wembley or a play off place.

At the end of the day, we've spent the vast majority of the first 36 games in the top 6. It wouldn't be entitled to be incredibly annoyed if we don't make it. We aren't a minnow and you look at someone like Luton who are above us again, we shouldn't just contently accept finishing outside. I get why the manager like the last one bangs on about not expecting things because he wants to try and lower expectations but its quite sad how so many seem to be pre-emptively accepting not being competitive as if we are the odd team out at the top. Venkys have stripped us of any ambition and any expectation and its so sad.

No one would "contently" accept finishing outside the top 6.

There are a section of the fans who would understand the fault of it isn't entirely at the managers door, and that he's done well with the hand he's been dealt, in his first season. Which is a completely different thing than being "content" about it.

[roversfan99]

I have never said that everything would fall at the managers door.