Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach

[Sweaty Gussets]

JDT out? Seems to be the suggestion from some. 

[MarkBRFC]

Suggestion from who?

[K-Hod]

22 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

JDT out? Seems to be the suggestion from some. 

Is it? Any examples? Either on here or otherwise?

[J*B]

Relevant to this thread too  

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

On 25/09/2023 at 20:17, booth said:

Stop it, you're giving me flashbacks.

We are now more confused than the last time we were confused.

[Sweaty Gussets]

24 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Is it? Any examples? Either on here or otherwise?

I was posing the question. Lots of strong criticism in the match thread.

That ok with you?

[tomphil]

12 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

I was posing the question. Lots of strong criticism in the match thread.

That ok with you?

Of course it's ok the buck stops with him so enough of this JDT can do no wrong nonsense.

We know what he's up against but he's gone from protecting the back 4 and dodgy keeper last season and grinding out results in awful games to adopting a style that throws them under the bus.

That's on him.

[Sweaty Gussets]

2 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Of course it's ok the buck stops with him so enough of this JDT can do no wrong nonsense.

We know what he's up against but he's gone from protecting the back 4 and dodgy keeper last season and grinding out results in awful games to adopting a style that throws them under the bus.

That's on him.

You misunderstood. Maybe I wasn't clear.

I was asking if was ok that I posed the question. 

[Mattyblue]

All par for the course at a club where there is no pressure on the manager’s position whilst under contract and no pressure to achieve results, ergo they do as they please.

 

[tomphil]

4 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

You misunderstood. Maybe I wasn't clear.

I was asking if was ok that I posed the question. 

You mean you let me rant for no reason ?

Damn you 🫣

[Sweaty Gussets]

18 minutes ago, tomphil said:

You mean you let me rant for no reason ?

Damn you 🫣

Ha, nothing wrong with a good rant!

[K-Hod]

46 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

I was posing the question. Lots of strong criticism in the match thread.

That ok with you?

You said ‘seems to be the suggestion from some’, so I asked for an example, as I haven’t read all the match thread, therefore, I hadn’t seen any suggestion of the manager’s removal. 
(If I haven’t watched the match, or attended, I tend to skip the during match chat).

No need to ask my permission to ask a question in fairness, appreciate the politeness, though!

[1864roverite]

I think if anything he will leave of his own accord. He seems truly deflated - I spoke to him on Wednesday and he was chirpy as anything totally the opposite today.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

49 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

All par for the course at a club where there is no pressure on the manager’s position whilst under contract and no pressure to achieve results, ergo they do as they please.

 

And there in lies the crux of the problem. What happens when the teacher leaves the classroom ?

[tomphil]

Anyway we've dealt with the negatives but again there were a few positives today.

Several decent individual performances and we caused the best side in the division plenty problems. 

Officials yet again useless way too card happy for both sides.

Pitch is standing up well and we probably got a few quid towards the state of the art bus hire if someone else was using it !!!!

[martonrover]

27 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

I think if anything he will leave of his own accord. He seems truly deflated - I spoke to him on Wednesday and he was chirpy as anything totally the opposite today.

Agreed. There will be a tipping point, and it may not be far away.

[roversfan99]

The thing with the questions around the style is that it isn't a drastic change to being direct, set pieces or anything like that, our current squad is inexperienced, small and not suited to that.

Our measly 10 points from 9 games has not been a direct result of gung ho football. We picked 7 of them up from 4 games, one of which was a one off approach by Tomasson that has not been repeated where we went to Watford, sat in and hit them on the break, keeping our only clean sheet. The other 2 were 2-1 home wins against poor looking sides yet neither was our most attacking performance of the season, and the draw at Rotherham was down to them getting a soft red card at 2 up.

We can't just expect to keep chucking so many bodies forward and the goals suddenly stop hitting the back of our net. Sometimes we need to sit a little deeper and look to counter where we can look more dangerous.

There are also the fine margins, our set pieces are obviously an attempt at avoiding chucking it into the box in the absence of height, but they are almost always terrible. 

Results wise, the first half of last season was our most successful chunk under Tomasson and it was the opposite of what we see now, it was lots of narrow wins built on organisation and discipline.

How we could (I don't think we will, Tomasson as per most managers seems stubborn and has been building towards this style during his time here) shore up could be more subtle by tweaking things within the current formation to ensure more bodies are back especially the 2 in front of the defence and sometimes being willing to play more on the counter, or it could also prompt a change of shape. Maybe a third centre back for example would not only stiffen us up but also give us more height, seeing Travis marking giants shows how small we are. 

[1864roverite]

Hill for Carter is a start.

[Andy]

4 hours ago, tomphil said:

Of course it's ok the buck stops with him so enough of this JDT can do no wrong nonsense.

Genuinely, who has this opinion?

I've not seen it anywhere.

JDT has done a very good job for us so far, but he absolutely has flaws.
If he didn't, he'd be managing at a much higher level that the Championship.

Haven't seen a single Rovers fan suggest that he can 'do no wrong'?

[tomphil]

7 minutes ago, Andy said:

Genuinely, who has this opinion?

I've not seen it anywhere.

JDT has done a very good job for us so far, but he absolutely has flaws.
If he didn't, he'd be managing at a much higher level that the Championship.

Haven't seen a single Rovers fan suggest that he can 'do no wrong'?

There are plenty running around saying it isn't his fault it's the situation we are in or just bad luck every week because our chances don't go in and the oppositions do.

I'm merely pointing out he has to shoulder responsibility for some of it just like any other gaffer does,

Fans opinions and comments aren't exclusive to this board if you looked further afield you'd see a lot saying it isn't his fault. Similar you'll see the odd nutter saying it's all his fault.

 

[alcd]

Beale sacked as Rangers manager. Could they come calling for Jdt?

[simongarnerisgod]

1 minute ago, alcd said:

Beale sacked as Rangers manager. Could they come calling for Jdt?

he`ll win a few trophies up there!!!!!!!not surprised beale has got the boot,rangers are terrible this season,indisciplined and ragged

[martonrover]

3 minutes ago, alcd said:

Beale sacked as Rangers manager. Could they come calling for Jdt?

I’m sure his agent will be calling them.

[Norbert Rassragr]

Read an article saying Kevin Muscat is the favourite. Apparently doing well in the J League. JDT was 28/1. 

[Andy]

Be surprised if he'd be interested in Rangers.

If he holds out for another few months, a couple of Prem jobs will become available.