Jon Dahl Tomasson - Sweden coach

[rigger]

1 minute ago, Darrenbot said:

I have come to the view that JDT is a dud manager but saying that i would give him the Jan window and the rest of the season to change my mind.

Firstly next time we go 1-0 make me start to believe we can still get back in the game,secondly show that you can see we haven;t got the players to be playing it out from the back.try something different once in a while,

Show you can set teams up to play different ways,if you only play one way you aren't going to get far in the management game.

I would also add, that if you can only get the players to show good on the training pitch, and not in actual matches. You are doing something wrong.

[47er]

29 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Being well beaten by sides 1st and 5th?

7 goals conceded? Never in it? Don't forget we were up there too. Not as if we were mid-table. Can't gloss over this one, for one reason or another we are looking at a crisis.

[Mattyblue]

Two absolute shockers. We were utter garbage in both. I’m not glossing over it, the honeymoon is well and truly over for him.

But that doesn’t lead me to demand his sacking when sitting third at the season’s halfway point (and no I don’t think we’ll stay there). 

Lost the plot some on here.
 

Edited December 11, 2022 by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I said at certain times can play out from the back. If teams don't press us high we should.  Players like Hyam, Scott Wharton and either Morton or Buckley can play out but it's about players making decisions on the field like Kaminski should no way play that ball to Travis in the second half. Look at Pickford has an example who wouldn't play the ball to Stones or Maguire in certain situations but played it long. That why Gallagher or Hirst or Vale should play as number 9 can try to win the header or at challenge for it. Dack or Szmodics can't. 

Lets see in the coming weeks and not start over reacting to this. 

another over the top reaction to 2 very poor results to local teams. 

The "over the top reaction" phrase seems to be your favourite at the moment.

An over the top reaction would be (I agree with you here) to suggest sacking the manager, we are third. That being said, I do have big doubts that we will be anywhere near there at the end of the season.

But my comments about the January window are nothing to do with the last 2 games really, I have never thought that it was anything other than pretty average. Hyam is the pick and he is nothing special, just a steady centre back. Brittain is made of glass, ok when he plays though. Szmodics I am not the biggest fan of, don't think he provides much and I can see why Peterborough fans weren't fussed that he left. Morton has ability but he is not as good as Adam Wharton and can often go missing, and the 2 loanees are not up to it.

I don't think we have the players to play out from the back, no point comparing to England players who are playing at a miles higher level, it is something that the top teams do consistently, not flit in and out. When we do try it even when we don't lose it in stupid areas, because of a lack of technical ability it is very slow, side to side, and it doesn't move the other team apart. You can't just palm it off to the players making poor decisions, they are being instructed to pass it out from the back and that brings massive risk.

 

[den]

What I’m seeing now is a little different to anything I’ve seen in all the years I’ve watched Rovers. We’ve had some really poor managers, really poor players and really poor teams. I’ve never seen any rovers side contribute so much to their own downfall as this lot do. Week after week, through trying to do things they obviously can’t do, they’re gifting the opposition goals and losing games - and they carry on doing it.

 Madness.
 

 

[chaddyrovers]

58 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The "over the top reaction" phrase seems to be your favourite at the moment.

I seen alot of OTT reaction the past 28 hours

58 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

An over the top reaction would be (I agree with you here) to suggest sacking the manager, we are third. That being said, I do have big doubts that we will be anywhere near there at the end of the season.

Glad you agree with me for one. On where we finish, well we see end of the season but I didn't expect to be third given the number of football changes that happened at Rovers during the summer. 

58 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But my comments about the January window are nothing to do with the last 2 games really, I have never thought that it was anything other than pretty average. Hyam is the pick and he is nothing special, just a steady centre back. Brittain is made of glass, ok when he plays though. Szmodics I am not the biggest fan of, don't think he provides much and I can see why Peterborough fans weren't fussed that he left. Morton has ability but he is not as good as Adam Wharton and can often go missing, and the 2 loanees are not up to it.

Fair enough if that your opinion. I have a different opinion on some of those than yourself 

58 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I don't think we have the players to play out from the back, no point comparing to England players who are playing at a miles higher level, it is something that the top teams do consistently, not flit in and out. 

clearly miss understood the point that Pickford made a decision to kick long something Kaminski should have done instead of passing it to Travis which resulted in the second goal

Edited December 11, 2022 by chaddyrovers

[USABlue]

I think I have lost faith in this fella.  I think his demeanor and comments post the dingle humiliation did me.  Just.niw.watched.the PNE game, did not even know we had a game.  Embarrassing.  Really that from us it was   There is too much of it, I just feel a ToMo spiral coming we have one in us.  

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I seen alot of OTT reaction the past 28 hours

Glad you agree with me for one. On where we finish, well we see end of the season but I didn't expect to be third given the number of football changes that happened at Rovers during the summer. 

Fair enough if that your opinion. I have a different opinion on some of those than yourself 

clearly miss understood the point that Pickford made a decision to kick long something Kaminski should have done. 

Which of those signings have been considerably judged unfairly by me, regarding the summer business?

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Which of those signings have been considerably judged unfairly by me, regarding the summer business?

Hyam is a good centre back, Brittain is quality but concern about the injury part. 

Morton has been good for us this season. 

Still think Hirst will come good. 

Szmodics has played well in games and provided 3 goals and 1 assist. We need to used him more properly as number 10 in 4-2-3-1 formation. 

Haven't seen enough of Mola to judge yet

[roversfan99]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hyam is a good centre back, Brittain is quality but concern about the injury part. 

Morton has been good for us this season. 

Still think Hirst will come good. 

Szmodics has played well in games and provided 3 goals and 1 assist. We need to used him more properly as number 10 in 4-2-3-1 formation. 

Haven't seen enough of Mola to judge yet

So not massively different, thus the OTT comment was probably unwarranted.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Upside Down said:

We don't have the players to 'play out of the back' so why persist with it? 

The only team I have ever seen do that successfully was 2009 era Barcelona. Last time I checked we aren't that. 

Football is not a complicated game. If you'd have played a pass along the back 10 - 15 years ago you'd have been given the biggest bollocking of your life. This is the real world not fucking fifa 23.

Yeah, certain things were drummed into you in school boy football. Never pass the ball across the penalty area was one of the first.

[47er]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Two absolute shockers. We were utter garbage in both. I’m not glossing over it, the honeymoon is well and truly over for him.

But that doesn’t lead me to demand his sacking when sitting third at the season’s halfway point (and no I don’t think we’ll stay there). 

Lost the plot some on here.
 

Well I don't expect him to be sacked any time soon and I hope he can somehow turn it round. However I don't feel that there is any recognition of the size of the task to come. It looks to me that he's putting it on the players for not doing what he's asked them to do. He should be questioning himself and asking whether his selections and tactics, for example, are good enough.

I don't see any acceptance of his role in this so far.

[Sparks Rover]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yeah, certain things were drummed into you in school boy football. Never pass the ball across the penalty area was one of the first.

What is even more crazy its the goalie and his full back/CH who are passing it across an empty goal....why does Kaminski move out of his goal to assume a RCB position at times..? 🤷‍♂️

[Upside Down]

The last two games were a total embarrassment. 

As far as I'm concerned the only way he can redeem himself now is beating the dingles and getting us promoted. 

Right now I have got him in the dolloper category.

[rigger]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hyam is a good centre back, Brittain is quality but concern about the injury part. 

Morton has been good for us this season. 

Still think Hirst will come good. 

Szmodics has played well in games and provided 3 goals and 1 assist. We need to used him more properly as number 10 in 4-2-3-1 formation. 

Haven't seen enough of Mola to judge yet

Mola has more potential to play for the first team than Hirst.

Edited December 12, 2022 by rigger

[oldjamfan1]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Brittain is quality but concern about the injury part. 

On at least one occasion this fella has got himself injured by bottling out of a challenge. Just what you don’t need in this league.

Maybe that sort of attitude explains why we always lose when we go 1-0 down.

[arbitro]

Just now, oldjamfan1 said:

On at least one occasion this fella has got himself injured by bottling out of a challenge. Just what you don’t need in this league.

Maybe that sort of attitude explains why we always lose when we go 1-0 down.

Spot on Andy. In old money he 'gibbed' out of what was a fifty/fifty ball and got hurt. When I first started playing men's football at 14 in the Darwen League the best advice I was given was never to pull out of a challenge or you'll get hurt.

[Upside Down]

10 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Spot on Andy. In old money he 'gibbed' out of what was a fifty/fifty ball and got hurt. When I first started playing men's football at 14 in the Darwen League the best advice I was given was never to pull out of a challenge or you'll get hurt.

Again, basic stuff.

[ben_the_beast]

11 hours ago, den said:

What I’m seeing now is a little different to anything I’ve seen in all the years I’ve watched Rovers. We’ve had some really poor managers, really poor players and really poor teams. I’ve never seen any rovers side contribute so much to their own downfall as this lot do. Week after week, through trying to do things they obviously can’t do, they’re gifting the opposition goals and losing games - and they carry on doing it.

 Madness.
 

 

This is the frustrating part. We are literally shooting ourselves in the foot time and time again. 

We're capable of defending when sitting deep. We also seem capable of scoring when we get into the oppositions final third. 

We're utterly incapable of passing it out from the back when the opposition press us. Not only do we give away goals when we do this, but we also rarely play football in the opposition half, thus nullifying our own threat. 

For me Jdt has the season. We seriously need some players who are capable of his style of play in January. He's doesn't seem likely to shift from his philosophy, so hopefully we can recruit players capable of playing it. It doesn't take away the frustration of him not adapting to the squad he has, but I feel its too early to throw the project away. 

One thing for me is I do feel we need to sell Brereton in January. As we don't have a hope in hell of promotion. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, arbitro said:

Spot on Andy. In old money he 'gibbed' out of what was a fifty/fifty ball and got hurt. When I first started playing men's football at 14 in the Darwen League the best advice I was given was never to pull out of a challenge or you'll get hurt.

That was another thing I learned as a school boy footballer.

[Mashed Potatoes]

12 hours ago, 47er said:

7 goals conceded? Never in it? Don't forget we were up there too. Not as if we were mid-table. Can't gloss over this one, for one reason or another we are looking at a crisis.

"Crisis" is an appropriate word for the situation facing Coventry City, not us.

[smiller14]

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hyam is a good centre back, Brittain is quality but concern about the injury part. 

Morton has been good for us this season. 

Still think Hirst will come good. 

Szmodics has played well in games and provided 3 goals and 1 assist. We need to used him more properly as number 10 in 4-2-3-1 formation. 

Haven't seen enough of Mola to judge yet

My thoughts on the above:

Hyam - agree, been a good player

Brittain - good when he plays, injuries a constant issue

Hirst - not sure what you've seen to suggest he'll come good, hopefully there's a player somewhere but as it stands has been a total flop

Szmodics - undecided. 3 goals and 1 assist when we've played 22 games isn't a great return, although appreciate he hasn't played them all

Mola - very disappointed. His first touch/passing look amateur

[smiller14]

As I've posted before, my main issue is the nature of defeats. We will turn our wins into draws/losses before we turn our losses into wins/draws, as the losses are so clear cut and totally woeful performance wise. Whilst Boro (wonder save and 2nd half battering), Huddersfield (sat back and lucky to win), West Brom (even game) and Birmingham (Kaminski MOTM) could easily have been draws/defeats, you can't argue any of our defeats could have been more, perhaps with the exception of Stoke where we were alright 2nd half. 

Reading, Cardiff, Burnley, Preston, Luton, Wigan, Cardiff and Coventry would probably all find themselves on a list of top-15 worst performances since promotion in 2018. I'd even argue this season would comprise the entire top 5. Even when we've been tubbed before, we've shown some sort of attacking intent, whereas amongst those games you'd probably add up around 5 shots on target combined. Fans are already starting to turn and get frustrated mid-game - it will only get worse if we keep playing hospital passes and repeating mistakes, especially in games that matter to fans. 

It's easy to say people's opinions are clouded by Preston/Burnley, but these concerns have been aired before. And to put in 2 disgraceful performances in local games is spitting in the face of the supporters, compounded by his smug grinning away after the match in interviews, totally unwilling to accept any sort of responsibility. Make no mistake about it, we could easily ship 5 at home to Burnley in March, and on our current trajectory there won't be the saving grace of being 3rd in the league to make up for it. 

Unless he adapts, I can see a swift plummet down the table. I barely even enjoy watching the team anymore - as someone who can generally only make away games, this season has been painful and the lack of Plan B makes games uninteresting, tedious and frustrating. 

I'm not calling for him to be sacked, I'm just calling for a bit of common sense and humility from him. Mix it up a bit, please. I'm sick of people watching us on Sky and taking the piss about how bad we are, compounded by our local rivals laughing our fans/players out the ground. I hoped the entire Turf Moor singing 'you're fucking shit' at the players would force a reaction, but we only succeeded in proving them right.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

"Crisis" is an appropriate word for the situation facing Coventry City, not us.

No---they have a bigger crisis on their hands.

[Leonard Venkhater]

11 hours ago, 47er said:

Well I don't expect him to be sacked any time soon and I hope he can somehow turn it round. However I don't feel that there is any recognition of the size of the task to come. It looks to me that he's putting it on the players for not doing what he's asked them to do. He should be questioning himself and asking whether his selections and tactics, for example, are good enough.

I don't see any acceptance of his role in this so far.

Absolutely.

I have noticed that he is putting it on the players and I just don't buy it. It looks all wrong to me.

Lots of awful, no show performances-mostly away from home- and several of our victories have been less than convincing. Wilder's comments only heighten my anxiety. 

I met an old mate, who is a non gloating Claret and the first thing he said to me was "Why do you keep dicking about at  the back? You gave us two goals from doing that!"

The start of the 2nd half on Saturday was an alarming indication of a perverse determination to remake the same mistakes...