Championship - 22-23

[Hasta]

46 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

If they don't go up this year it will be the final year of parachute payments having only spent 1 season in the PL last year, which means a fire sale of some supremely talented players

As they came down last year they will have 2 more years left after this year of diminishing parachute payments won't they?

[Mattyblue]

As they only had one season in the PL, I believe they only get two seasons of parachute payments.

[Dreams of 1995]

19 minutes ago, Hasta said:

As they came down last year they will have 2 more years left after this year of diminishing parachute payments won't they?

By my understanding if you only survive one season in the Prem you only get 2 years of parachute payments

[Hasta]

OK. I wasn't aware of that. 

[chaddyrovers]

22 hours ago, booth said:

I don't know if it was Bilic's fault in particular as he's only been in the job 6 months, but Watford weren't doing great. Unfair to sack a manager who didn't even begin the season though.

I just think it's run completely wrong and no chance to build a team there. Even successful head coaches don't survive like Javi Garcia or Xisco Munoz 

[Upside Down]

It's the other end of the spectrum to where rovers are.

But as I've said previously, at least they have ambition.

[Mattyblue]

Watford have had as many managers since 2012 (18) as West Ham have had in their entire history…

[Mattyblue]

Cracking David Brent corporate away day vibes

 

[booth]

19 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Cracking David Brent corporate away day vibes

 

[roverandout]

I know this is a left field post but I read somewhere that Russell Martin compares his playing style and has been quoted that he lends his style off Barcelona and the great 08' 12 Spain side. He really is a deluded twat.  Delusions  of grandeur come to mind

Edited March 9, 2023 by roverandout

[Admiral Nelsen]

9 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I know this is a left field post but I read somewhere that Russell Martin compares his playing style and has been quoted that he lends his style off Barcelona and the great 08' 12 Spain side. He really is a deluded twat.  Delusions  of grandeur come to mind

 

To be fair, that's exactly what he's trying to do. 

It just so happens that instead of having a team full of generational talents, he has a squad full of average second division players. It must be so frustrating for their fans seeing their team dominate the ball every game without doing anything with it. 

[Mattyblue]

Hmm, a load of Championship cloggers in your side instead of Xavi, Iniesta et al might be a bit of an issue then.

Pound Shop Peps all over the place these days…

[Dreams of 1995]

Watford under investigation for the transfer of Kamara 

Bought for cheap, sold expensively to Udinese and loaned back for the year 

“circumvent FFP” we keep getting told. It does not work 

[roversfan99]

Circumventing FFP is not what is needed, although legally I don't see how the Kamara deal is anything but clever use of a loophole. 

The key to keeping within FFP is not having owners that prevent player sales to allow for reinvestment.

[philipl]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Circumventing FFP is not what is needed, although legally I don't see how the Kamara deal is anything but clever use of a loophole. 

The key to keeping within FFP is not having owners that prevent player sales to allow for reinvestment.

To sell a player for reinvestment, you need an offer of a decent amount of cash.

Rothwell apart, that hasn't happened. 

And there would have been demonstrations at Ewood last January is 2nd placed Rovers had cashed in by selling to 3rd placed Bournemouth. 

[Mattyblue]

So? If the club thought it was a fair price it was a fair price, especially if the player’s head had turned (which it had).

*And would there buggery have been ‘demonstrations at Ewood’ 😁

[chaddyrovers]

18 hours ago, roverandout said:

I know this is a left field post but I read somewhere that Russell Martin compares his playing style and has been quoted that he lends his style off Barcelona and the great 08' 12 Spain side. He really is a deluded twat.  Delusions  of grandeur come to mind

I can understand why he wants copy Barca's tactics and style of play. Problem is the choice of signings he can make there

9 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Watford under investigation for the transfer of Kamara 

Bought for cheap, sold expensively to Udinese and loaned back for the year 

“circumvent FFP” we keep getting told. It does not work 

Let's hope they get a transfer ban then. Tho I still can't believe they sacked Bilic and appointed Wilder. 

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

The key to keeping within FFP is not having owners that prevent player sales to allow for reinvestment.

On Rothwell I agree on but on BBD I disagree. 

The offers we got for BBD wasn't near good enough 

[Dreams of 1995]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Circumventing FFP is not what is needed, although legally I don't see how the Kamara deal is anything but clever use of a loophole. 

A loophole is used to circumvent rules or regulations 

Is it not what is needed or is it clever? 
The statement is contradictory 

They are breaking the rules of fair competition. With any luck it breaks this so-called “successful” model that Watford have. It isn’t the first time they have used their Udinese connections to their advantage 

[R0verb0y]

It's surely one of those loopholes that those clever but naïve people who frame rules always think nobody will ever circumvent.

Until they do.

[Hasta]

4 hours ago, philipl said:

And there would have been demonstrations at Ewood last January is 2nd placed Rovers had cashed in by selling to 3rd placed Bournemouth. 

When did demonstrations at Ewood ever bother the club?

 

[rigger]

24 minutes ago, Hasta said:

When did demonstrations at Ewood ever bother the club?

 

Sack the board in the seventies.

[AllRoverAsia]

19 hours ago, roverandout said:

I know this is a left field post but I read somewhere that Russell Martin compares his playing style and has been quoted that he lends his style off Barcelona and the great 08' 12 Spain side. He really is a deluded twat.  Delusions  of grandeur come to mind

This article pretty much nails it on what has happened across the EFL and I include the Championship

https://www.theguardian.com/football/when-saturday-comes-blog/2023/jan/18/lower-league-football-premier-league-pyramid

Edited March 10, 2023 by AllRoverAsia

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

This article pretty much nails it on what has happened across the EFL and I include the Chamionship

https://www.theguardian.com/football/when-saturday-comes-blog/2023/jan/18/lower-league-football-premier-league-pyramid

Bang on article.

[roversfan99]

6 hours ago, philipl said:

To sell a player for reinvestment, you need an offer of a decent amount of cash.

Rothwell apart, that hasn't happened. 

And there would have been demonstrations at Ewood last January is 2nd placed Rovers had cashed in by selling to 3rd placed Bournemouth. 

Even if there would have been such negative fan reaction, which is nonsense. You don't run a football club like that, and they dont otherwise appointing Owen Coyle would never have crossed their mind. The key is to reinvest that money, we could have been so much better off with a big chunk of £12m+ reinvested rather than the alternative of 6 months of a disinterested Rothwell and a year of Brereton.

 

[phili]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Even if there would have been such negative fan reaction, which is nonsense. You don't run a football club like that, and they dont otherwise appointing Owen Coyle would never have crossed their mind. The key is to reinvest that money, we could have been so much better off with a big chunk of £12m+ reinvested rather than the alternative of 6 months of a disinterested Rothwell and a year of Brereton.

 

We wouldn't have got any cash, instead of Venky's injecting £20m they would have done £8m instead. You'd have just had a few less players.

A normal club you'd be correct, with usit doesn't matter, logic goes out the window.

If you look at Brentford, so long as they made a profit each player was sold once an offer was made and cash reinvested and I hope this is what we start happening. We used to do this all the time under the trust but the comments used to be why are we selling and not keeping the player etc.