Championship - 22-23

[Guest]

10 hours ago, philipl said:

Totally disagree, sorry.

Clubs going up without parachute payments have a good track record of staying up if the owners are willing to put a good chunk of the Premier League dosh into player recruitment and the player recruitment team and football management are up to scratch.

 

Hello Philipl in Malta 😉

Long time no hear! Anyway, there you have it in a nutshell - "owners willing to put a good chunk of the Premier League dosh into player recruitment..." And the hollow sound of Madame Desai rings around Ewood Park once again, "We may spend as much as £5 million pounds... a season... 😗"

I think we all know that in the event of an unexpected promotiion, what would happen would be a very nice offer would come in from elsewhere seeking to prise away JDT and his team on the basis of the miracle they'd worked here. Someone else at the helm might work, but would take time that just wouldn't be available to bed in, and there would be no volte face on player expenditure.

It would, most certainly, be a blood-bath.

I did mention the likes of Wolves and Brentford, as examples of what can be done. But I'm too old and wised up to the Venky's model to anticipate anything along those lines being played out at Ewood. Balaji would rock up for the Utd game as always, but his sweaty bollux would be swinging rapidly away from the club once again after the reality of premature promotion actually dawns on him and his siblings.

Best we could hope for would be the Venksters getting enough from the influx of cash to allow them to walk quietly away with less of a sore arse, financially speaking.

Happy to disagree on this - happier as a Rovers fan than I've been for a long time, as we seem to have an approach that involves some pride in the colours, some grit and guile on the pitch and some insight and capability at management level. Long may that last!

COYB!

[Mattyblue]

‘We’d be battered every week’ is a familiar refrain. Is that a certainty? Who knows what players would be brought in.

And even if we did, so what? The club would come down in a far stronger position. Have a look at the clubs at the top end of the league year in year out.

At the end of the day the whole point of professional sport is to get to the highest level possible that your club’s resources allow, otherwise what’s the point of any of this?

[Mercer]

9 hours ago, den said:

I don’t see any place for Dack in this side, playing this way Mercer.

Don't disagree, however, to have him on the bench as a game changer would be huge.

[Gav]

48 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

‘We’d be battered every week’ is a familiar refrain. Is that a certainty? Who knows what players would be brought in.

And even if we did, so what? The club would come down in a far stronger position. Have a look at the clubs at the top end of the league year in year out.

At the end of the day the whole point of professional sport is to get to the highest level possible that your club’s resources allow, otherwise what’s the point of any of this?

We were discussing this after the game on Sunday and thats the main point here, the club will be in a far stronger position with a season in the Premiership.

But the cherry on the cake could well be that these awful owners cut those losses as sod off into the abyss, that is the end game here, fingers crossed. 

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Gav

[ageoftherover]

I dunno, I dont think there's that much difference between the bottom half of the PL and the top quarter of the Championship and while immediate relegation would be quite likely, a few shrewd signings, good man management and a slice of luck we'd have every chance of surviving. Someone mentioned us having a season like Forest, while they may well come back down, they're currently out of the relegation zone and in better shape than a few of their rivals. 

The whole point is to raise our floor, as in how far down could the club realistically fall in the medium term. A few seasons in the PL and we could realistically be a club that will be unlikely to finish in the bottom half of the Championship in the foreseeable future. From there you can build from being a Norwich or Watford into a Brentford or Brighton and see where it takes you.

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

‘We’d be battered every week’ is a familiar refrain. Is that a certainty? Who knows what players would be brought in.

And even if we did, so what? The club would come down in a far stronger position. Have a look at the clubs at the top end of the league year in year out.

At the end of the day the whole point of professional sport is to get to the highest level possible that your club’s resources allow, otherwise what’s the point of any of this?

Yes, of course. If we could endure a season or two of boing-boing then maybe it would be worth it in the long term. On the other hand, as you say, highest level that your club's resources allow - the Championship seems like a well worn berth for Rovers at the moment, and I'm not sure we are ready for the anodyne riches of the Premier League yet, especially when you factor in the shaizen show that is VAR.

What was it JDT said on his appointment - something about this being a project? A project that is as volatile and risky as promotion to the Premier League after one season feels uncomfortable for too many reasons to me at this point. I mean, many of us on here were throwing in the towel in January...

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, ageoftherover said:

I dunno, I dont think there's that much difference between the bottom half of the PL and the top quarter of the Championship and while immediate relegation would be quite likely, a few shrewd signings, good man management and a slice of luck we'd have every chance of surviving. Someone mentioned us having a season like Forest, while they may well come back down, they're currently out of the relegation zone and in better shape than a few of their rivals. 

The whole point is to raise our floor, as in how far down could the club realistically fall in the medium term. A few seasons in the PL and we could realistically be a club that will be unlikely to finish in the bottom half of the Championship in the foreseeable future. From there you can build from being a Norwich or Watford into a Brentford or Brighton and see where it takes you.

Well said. Perhaps I'm too far up the darkness of my own arse (where I've been hiding for fart oo long) to see the possibilities.

Anyway, it isn't as if anything said on these pages actually matters, is it :)?

COYB Que Sera Sera, whatever will be will be, the Play-offs and Wemberlee, que sera sera!

 

[philipl]

8 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Imagine if we were promoted via the Playoffs and they sold us to competent owners... the stuff dreams are made of. 

Venkys are now more competent than 90%+ of owners.

They were rock bottom but the last 6 years have been a dramatic improvement 

[Tugayisgod]

8 minutes ago, philipl said:

Venkys are now more competent than 90%+ of owners.

They were rock bottom but the last 6 years have been a dramatic improvement 

I'm not particularly a Venkys lover but believe you are right, there are a lot worse out there, look at Wigan just now.

If you were to ask fans their feelings on their owners I would guess 70% - 80% would say they were unhappy with them.

It's a case of the devil you know 

 

[Mike E]

10 hours ago, den said:

I don’t see any place for Dack in this side, playing this way Mercer.

 

10 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

Not even from the bench?

 

9 hours ago, den said:

I just mean currently in the starting 11. Dack would not be quick enough for the way we’re currently playing.

I'd say Dack (in place of the striker) is currently the type of player in this system that you bring on when you're chasing the game and need to unlock a stubborn defence.

[wilsdenrover]

25 minutes ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

Well said. Perhaps I'm too far up the darkness of my own arse (where I've been hiding for fart oo long) to see the possibilities.

Anyway, it isn't as if anything said on these pages actually matters, is it :)?

COYB Que Sera Sera, whatever will be will be, the Play-offs and Wemberlee, que sera sera!

 

Deliberate??

[Gav]

What is the money split now? A minimum of £100m if you finish bottom of Premiership? Parachute payments £30/£40m?

Having just one season back in the top flight is a game changer for any club in our position. 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

If we did get promoted I’d be happy if the Chicken Chokers took all the money on condition that they pissed off and never darkened our doors again.

[Gav]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Venkys are now more competent than 90%+ of owners.

They were rock bottom but the last 6 years have been a dramatic improvement 

What? 

How many clubs allow players like Diaz, Lenihan and Rothwell to walk away from the club for free? A club that can't afford to replace the pitch?

Not wanting to put a dampener on the recent upturn in form, but I'm not having that philipl. 

[47er]

29 minutes ago, Gav said:

What is the money split now? A minimum of £100m if you finish bottom of Premiership? Parachute payments £30/£40m?

Having just one season back in the top flight is a game changer for any club in our position. 

 

Yep---£100M to finish bottom plus 3 years parachute money. 

[Mattyblue]

Massive strides on the football side. But the fact that continue to employ Swag says there is a long way to go commercially.

[Exiled_Rover]

Did I see that the EFL have handed a 3 point deduction to Wigan this week?

Quick to hand those out, but the Sheffield United case rumbles on - funny that.

[Admiral Nelsen]

19 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Did I see that the EFL have handed a 3 point deduction to Wigan this week?

Quick to hand those out, but the Sheffield United case rumbles on - funny that.

 

To be fair, I think Wigan have already missed a few deadlines for paying players this season. The quick charge has come through them already being on notice from the efl, and they've broken the agreement they had with them.

[lraC]

9 minutes ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

 

To be fair, I think Wigan have already missed a few deadlines for paying players this season. The quick charge has come through them already being on notice from the efl, and they've broken the agreement they had with them.

I guess with Sheff United, it could be what is the best thing not to pay, the players wages or the instalment on a transfer fee, owed for a player they signed.

Which ever way you look at it, they have taken on a liability they could not afford and should be faced with the consequences.

[Admiral Nelsen]

1 minute ago, lraC said:

I guess with Sheff United, it could be what is the best thing not to pay, the players wages or the instalment on a transfer fee, owed for a player they signed.

Which ever way you look at it, they have taken on a liability they could not afford and should be faced with the consequences.

 

Agree. Assuming the reports are true then they should get their comeuppance one way or another. Sadly I think that'll only come if they fail to get promoted this season. 

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

Hello Philipl in Malta 😉

Long time no hear! Anyway, there you have it in a nutshell - "owners willing to put a good chunk of the Premier League dosh into player recruitment..." And the hollow sound of Madame Desai rings around Ewood Park once again, "We may spend as much as £5 million pounds... a season... 😗"

I think we all know that in the event of an unexpected promotiion, what would happen would be a very nice offer would come in from elsewhere seeking to prise away JDT and his team on the basis of the miracle they'd worked here. Someone else at the helm might work, but would take time that just wouldn't be available to bed in, and there would be no volte face on player expenditure.

It would, most certainly, be a blood-bath.

I did mention the likes of Wolves and Brentford, as examples of what can be done. But I'm too old and wised up to the Venky's model to anticipate anything along those lines being played out at Ewood. Balaji would rock up for the Utd game as always, but his sweaty bollux would be swinging rapidly away from the club once again after the reality of premature promotion actually dawns on him and his siblings.

Best we could hope for would be the Venksters getting enough from the influx of cash to allow them to walk quietly away with less of a sore arse, financially speaking.

Happy to disagree on this - happier as a Rovers fan than I've been for a long time, as we seem to have an approach that involves some pride in the colours, some grit and guile on the pitch and some insight and capability at management level. Long may that last!

COYB!

What would noticeably change against the benchmark of Premier League standard if we went up in say 2 years time? 

4 hours ago, philipl said:

Venkys are now more competent than 90%+ of owners.

They were rock bottom but the last 6 years have been a dramatic improvement 

I can only presume that you accidentally typed the 0 after the 9.

[lraC]

4 hours ago, philipl said:

Venkys are now more competent than 90%+ of owners.

They were rock bottom but the last 6 years have been a dramatic improvement 

I don't want to sound like I am undermining you here in any way, but would you mind clarifying?

Can you perhaps highlight 5 things that have turned them to rock bottom 6 years ago (your words) to being in the top 10% of current owners?

[longsiders1882]

2 hours ago, 47er said:

Yep---£100M to finish bottom plus 3 years parachute money. 

*2 years if you only survive a year.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

Deliberate??

Aye, ye can't beat a good fart, oo long.

[Bbrovers2288]

Aghast that folk think that stay away and silent owners are better than 90% of other owners. 
 

if we did somehow magically get up I think we would have to ready our medicine for a bit of a difficult season coming straight back down, however it would give us the financial needed to get up again and then make a better fist of it, probably Fulham is your best comparison. So a bit of yo-yo -ing needed before stability again in the top flight imo