Championship - 22-23

[roversfan99]

18 minutes ago, booth said:

Did he leave us without a decent centre forward, yes or no?
Was it by choice, yes or no?

Answers below.

Mostly no - useless 5 year journey
Mostly yes - cunt

Well he signed Armstrong, then was not allowed to reinvest any of the money, he wanted Obafemi and Maja.

The other goalscorer he signed, the owners wouldn't allow us to sell and reinvest the considerable funds when he left, so not really by choice. We could have sold and signed a striker or 2.

But either way, not a cunt.

[booth]

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Well he signed Armstrong, then was not allowed to reinvest any of the money, he wanted Obafemi and Maja.

The other goalscorer he signed, the owners wouldn't allow us to sell and reinvest the considerable funds when he left, so not really by choice. We could have sold and signed a striker or 2.

But either way, not a cunt.

You can defend him all you like, but to tell us that he's supressed the ambitions of the club because it's too early, and then to say in his first season at his new club, it's never too early to get promoted. He's an absolute one.

He was quoted saying he didn't want a centre forward January 2022, and then later he said he didn't regret signing one despite it being an obvious weakness.

Obefemi and Maja? I said decent centre forward didn't I?

Edited May 10, 2023 by booth

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, booth said:

You can defend him all you like, but to tell us that he's supressed the ambitions of the club because it's too early, and then to say in his first season at his new club, it's never to early to get promoted. He's an absolute one.

He was quoted saying he didn't want a centre forward January 2022, and then later he said he didn't regret signing one despite it being an obvious weakness.

Obefemi and Maja? I said decent centre forward didn't I?

Again, I feel like what he said has been twisted out of context. No way did he turn down millions to push on, although even if that was the case, the main issue then would be with the bizarre running of the club from the owners, as if it is normal to have a now or never investment because they are moderately interested. He was sticking up for Venkys regularly when his stock was high, whether that was because he was told to whilst there was goodwill around the club, or whether he was thinking of his own long term job security, I am not sure why.

He (in my opinion wrongly) said that he had turned down strikers on loan from Premier League sides in that January as we at the time wasn't playing with an out and out striker. It was working brilliantly at the time, but it was still short sighted. But either way, that wouldn't have left Tomasson with a striker. Obafemi was seemingly a potential part of any Armstrong deal, and the Maja deal was a loan deal. So he had no money in either of the 2 windows following Armstrong's sale to buy a striker which Tomasson could have then inherited. A striker he had bought and we had then sold at a massive profit, on top of being able to sell Brereton if we were run normally.

[booth]

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Again, I feel like what he said has been twisted out of context. No way did he turn down millions to push on, although even if that was the case, the main issue then would be with the bizarre running of the club from the owners, as if it is normal to have a now or never investment because they are moderately interested. He was sticking up for Venkys regularly when his stock was high, whether that was because he was told to whilst there was goodwill around the club, or whether he was thinking of his own long term job security, I am not sure why.

He (in my opinion wrongly) said that he had turned down strikers on loan from Premier League sides in that January as we at the time wasn't playing with an out and out striker. It was working brilliantly at the time, but it was still short sighted. But either way, that wouldn't have left Tomasson with a striker. Obafemi was seemingly a potential part of any Armstrong deal, and the Maja deal was a loan deal. So he had no money in either of the 2 windows following Armstrong's sale to buy a striker which Tomasson could have then inherited. A striker he had bought and we had then sold at a massive profit, on top of being able to sell Brereton if we were run normally.

We haven't signed a striker since Summer 2019! It wasn't a good one and he blew £5m of our transfer kitty doing it.

You can't tell me that Mowbray hadn't had the opportunity to sign a striker in all that time. Although after signing Gallagher for £5m and putting him on a decent salary I wouldn't be surprised.

[chaddyrovers]

Watford manager talks with Francesco Farioli collapse (footballinsider247.com)

I see Gary Bowyer has left Dundee now. I wonder if he Blackpool or even Reading bound this summer and for next season

[booth]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Watford manager talks with Francesco Farioli collapse (footballinsider247.com)

I see Gary Bowyer has left Dundee now. I wonder if he Blackpool or even Reading bound this summer and for next season

Wow, weird that he's left when he's just won the league with them.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, booth said:

We haven't signed a striker since Summer 2019! It wasn't a good one and he blew £5m of our transfer kitty doing it.

You can't tell me that Mowbray hadn't had the opportunity to sign a striker in all that time. Although after signing Gallagher for £5m and putting him on a decent salary I wouldn't be surprised.

We still had Graham then to be fair and Armstrong who was developing as a really top scorer at that level. In 2020, we barely spent anything, just signing Kaminski and then Pears for a nominal fee. And the summer after, when our main scorer was sold, he wasn't able to reinvest any on a replacement, which was when his relationship with Venkys seemed to sour slightly, he complained a few times about not being able to reinvest and then profit on another asset. We still had Brereton who himself then could have been sold in the same summer as Mowbray left, but the owners went into stubborn mode. So we had 2 goalscorers, admittedly one developing slightly later into one, and nothing available since to buy anyone to replace either, due to a mixture of the owners unwillingness to reinvest, and them allowing one of those goalscorers to run his deal down.

Either way though, we digress. Still can't fathom how people despise Mowbray so much, just a decent Championship manager who had run his course, did a pretty good job here but far from perfect and glad we have got Tomasson now. Does he warrant creating a thread about his new team questioning whether that "wanker" will get promoted? Can't understand it.

[simongarnerisgod]

it`s amazing how such a moribund and staid human being like mowbray can stir such debate,personally  i never liked him as a manager,he topped his pension up for 4 seasons delivering football that would cure insomnia while continually moaning about the club ,how it was`nt 1995 and how far away his family were,anyone would think he was doing a stretch in preston jail the way he used to moan

[booth]

11 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

it`s amazing how such a moribund and staid human being like mowbray can stir such debate,personally  i never liked him as a manager,he topped his pension up for 4 seasons delivering football that would cure insomnia while continually moaning about the club ,how it was`nt 1995 and how far away his family were,anyone would think he was doing a stretch in preston jail the way he used to moan

Completely agree.

I don't understand why he was thought of so highly. Perhaps the L1 promotion? I remember at the time it was expected to go back up, not a surprise. Maybe it's because Venkys dropped the bar so low people were just hungry for success and he delivered it.

He constantly did strange things - £7m for a kid when we badly needed defenders. £5m for Gallagher after saying we didn't have much to spend. Too early for promotion, it's a journey for "these young boys." It's not 1995. I could go on and on about this but he doesn't deserve any more time.

I completely lost faith in him during the covid season.

[Mattyblue]

19 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

it`s amazing how such a moribund and staid human being like mowbray can stir such debate,

Haven’t you just started another new thread on him?

[JHRover]

The thing with Mowbray is that because he has the media lot hanging on his every word and thinking he's great with the old tea and biscuit routine reminiscing about life in 70s Middlesbrough he thinks that makes him clever and able to outwit all before him with his comments in the press.

Unfortunately applying any scrutiny to his comments quickly reveals that he isn't as clever as he thinks, he's at best completely contradictory, and on other occasions rather insulting.

Anyhow, thankfully he's gone and history around here, yet it seems he and others cannot let it go, still bitter that he was let go. It was clear at the time that he harboured a desire to stay on but that the offer wasn't forthcoming in a timely manner. In all likelihood another disgraceful performance from Venkys and the buffoons they employ but I do find it a bit funny that having had over 5 years of well paid employment and being able to run the operation as his own kingdom with little to no pressure or scrutiny from upstairs or the fanbase that he's now got 'pundits' spouting off about how hard done to he was here. He had it made at Rovers, and when the inevitable dip comes at Sunderland when they run out of momentum they'll offer him nowhere near the patience he got here.

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

I wonder when they’ll sack him 😁

[simongarnerisgod]

a russian soldier has longer job expectancy than a watford manager🙄

[sympatheticclaret]

7 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

I wonder when they’ll sack him 😁

I certainly wouldn't be paying an annual Golf Club Membership if I were him ... 

[chaddyrovers]

Will he last the season at Watford? 

[wilsdenrover]

12 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

a russian soldier has longer job expectancy than a watford manager🙄

+ Hodgson, Edwards, Bilic, Wilder and now Ismael 

Edited May 10, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[wilsdenrover]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Will he last the season at Watford? 

Will he make the start of the season…

[simongarnerisgod]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Will he last the season at Watford? 

if i was a bookie id`e let you choose your own odds🙂

[roverandout]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Well he signed Armstrong, then was not allowed to reinvest any of the money, he wanted Obafemi and Maja.

The other goalscorer he signed, the owners wouldn't allow us to sell and reinvest the considerable funds when he left, so not really by choice. We could have sold and signed a striker or 2.

But either way, not a cunt.

He's a 'cnut' for what he said in the interview yesterday.  But he's not a cnut. He's a prick

[wilsdenrover]

1 minute ago, roverandout said:

He's a 'cnut' for what he said in the interview yesterday.  But he's not a cnut. He's a prick

Is he bollocks…

[roverandout]

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Is he bollocks…

Yes he's bollocks 

[roverandout]

Watford appoint another manager.  

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, sympatheticclaret said:

I certainly wouldn't be paying an annual Golf Club Membership if I were him ... 

He'd be lucky to get 9 holes in.

[AllRoverAsia]

1 hour ago, wilsdenrover said:

Is he bollocks…

Yes.

Is that the correct answer?

Edited May 10, 2023 by AllRoverAsia