Championship - 22-23

[superniko]

  On 05/05/2023 at 19:54, wilsdenrover said:

Brighton’s accounts (to June 2022) have their staff costs as £115 million - where did the £28 million come from?

As an aside, their broadcasting income was £126.2 million , ours was £8.4 million.

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Can’t remember where I saw it but yeah you’re right it looks dubious. Probably one of those ‘estimates’ someone picked up on  

Pretty sure they still rank towards the bottom of the league overall (and point still stands around owners/directors/board with braincells!)

Edited May 5, 2023 by superniko

[wilsdenrover]

  On 05/05/2023 at 20:18, superniko said:

Can’t remember where I saw it but yeah you’re right it looks dubious. Probably one of those ‘estimates’ someone picked up on  

Pretty sure they still rank towards the bottom of the league overall (and point still stands around owners/directors/board with braincells!)

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I’m sure your right about them ranking towards the bottom overall.

By way of comparison, Manchester United’s accounts for the same period have their overall staff costs as £372.5 million.

United also spent £23.8 million on ‘compensation for loss of office’ aka sacking people.

Sorry for going off topic.

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[GHR]

  On 05/05/2023 at 14:50, Sweaty Gussets said:

I think the poor lad's cursed. If his shot at Sheff U in the FA Cup had gone in instead of hitting the inside of the post we'd have gone 3-1 up and had a Wembley semi booked. With hindsight, that was the turning point of our season. 

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That moment still replays in my head, literally half an inch to the left and we go to Wembley, and doubtless the morale boost benefits our subsequent League matches.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 05/05/2023 at 18:29, Mashed Potatoes said:

The report states that it is a 50% uplift in income for the EFL. If the distribution of funds is retained in its present proportions that would suggest an increase in income of approx £4.5m for the club.

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Yes the deal is worth £935 million 

  On 05/05/2023 at 18:37, roversfan99 said:

Sky can fuck off. No thought for match going fans.

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It's the EFL who have push for this deal and more TV coverage and more money. So please get it right. They pick Sky to go with. 

 

 

  On 05/05/2023 at 19:07, OldEwoodBlue said:

I suppose if a 7:45 KO is inconvenient due to where you live, or getting back from work, then how much notice you get isn't helpful.

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EFL and Sky have agreed that all games affected by moving the game for TV will know well in advance and before the season starts for any game moved. 

Here is the quote from the EFL

"With the substantial increase in the number of live matches, Sky Sports and the EFL will introduce a new commitment for clubs and fans which will provide longer notice periods on TV selections. The defined notice periods will enable clubs and fans to plan further in advance and this will include the placement of all live matches selected for broadcast for the period to FA Cup 3rd Round before the start of the season. Greater parity in the number of times that clubs are selected for TV coverage is also guaranteed. "

[Mattyblue]

What you quoting the press release for? OEB knows there’s going to be more notice, the point is still the same. 

From 2024/25 it is likely that at least half of home games will be moved time/day and shown on TV. Obviously doesn’t bother you, but as is being shown by sluggish ST sales this summer on the back of something similar for us this season, it bloody well does bother a lot of other folk.
 

[roversfan99]

The lack of notice is a problem but not the main one. The main one is the quantity of games moved, the lack of 3pm Saturday games has been an absolute joke this season and the problem will get worse. I cant blame people deciding to keep potential season ticket money in their pockets.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 05/05/2023 at 23:07, roversfan99 said:

The lack of notice is a problem but not the main one. The main one is the quantity of games moved, 

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Well that why they have said that fans and clubs will be bigger notice period when games are being moved. 

EFL and the clubs want more money and more TV coverage so now they have been given that by this new TV deal. 

We might not even in this league by the time this TV comes into place

[roversfan99]

  On 05/05/2023 at 23:41, chaddyrovers said:

Well that why they have said that fans and clubs will be bigger notice period when games are being moved. 

EFL and the clubs want more money and more TV coverage so now they have been given that by this new TV deal. 

We might not even in this league by the time this TV comes into place

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I know there is going to be more notice, but it is still that same huge inconvenience when they move so many games. 

[chaddyrovers]

  On 05/05/2023 at 23:42, roversfan99 said:

I know there is going to be more notice, but it is still that same huge inconvenience when they move so many games. 

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But EFL and clubs wanted more TV coverage and revenue which is what this deal given them. 

Down to all clubs to offer attractive ST offers and match day offers now for match day going fans.

Edited May 5, 2023 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

  On 05/05/2023 at 23:49, chaddyrovers said:

But EFL and clubs wanted more TV coverage and revenue which is what this deal given them. 

Down to all clubs to offer attractive ST offers and match day offers now for match day going fans.

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But again, those parties and their primary focus isn't the potential inconveniencing of match going fans.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 05/05/2023 at 23:53, roversfan99 said:

But again, those parties and their primary focus isn't the potential inconveniencing of match going fans.

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I agree it will potentially affect some match day going fans, but as I said Clubs like Rovers have to come up with attractive ST and match day tickets offers

[roversfan99]

  On 05/05/2023 at 23:58, chaddyrovers said:

I agree it will potentially affect some match day going fans, but as I said Clubs like Rovers have to come up with attractive ST and match day tickets offers

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We already know that ST prices aren't attractive which now limits scope for match day offers. But its beside the point, it isnt the cost that will stop people attending moved games.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 06/05/2023 at 00:16, roversfan99 said:

We already know that ST prices aren't attractive which now limits scope for match day offers. But its beside the point, it isnt the cost that will stop people attending moved games.

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On your first point, I think ST prices are more than reasonable and fair. Others don't. 

All depends what times kick offs and days of games will be. 

Would you have any complaint at 5.30pm kick off on Saturday evening like the EFL games used to be? 

[roversfan99]

  On 06/05/2023 at 00:23, chaddyrovers said:

On your first point, I think ST prices are more than reasonable and fair. Others don't. 

All depends what times kick offs and days of games will be. 

Would you have any complaint at 5.30pm kick off on Saturday evening like the EFL games used to be? 

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They aren't good enough to get people to overlook inconveniences.

I would prefer 3pm on Saturday, half 5 is probably the best alternative.

They should bring in limits. No more than one televised game per team per month.

 

[chaddyrovers]

  On 06/05/2023 at 00:38, roversfan99 said:

They aren't good enough to get people to overlook inconveniences.

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Down to clubs to sort it out

  On 06/05/2023 at 00:38, roversfan99 said:

I would prefer 3pm on Saturday, half 5 is probably the best alternative.

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Probably the worst is 12.30 pm on Saturdays given I work nights and finish Saturday morning but I'm used to it now.

So I can understand people circumstances with different work patterns 

  On 06/05/2023 at 00:38, roversfan99 said:

They should bring in limits. No more than one televised game per team per month.

 

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I don't know what they will do in this area. Got 12 months to sort something out if they want to do this. 

Edited May 6, 2023 by chaddyrovers

[SoldierMo]

Omg chaddy you are not the ONLY FAN

[Upside Down]

  On 06/05/2023 at 01:26, SoldierMo said:

Omg chaddy you are not the ONLY FAN

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He is in chaddyland.

Could you imagine a chaddy only fans though. Chaddy furiously wanking over a rovers team photo.

[Mattyblue]

  On 05/05/2023 at 23:49, chaddyrovers said:

But EFL and clubs wanted more TV coverage and revenue which is what this deal given them. 

Down to all clubs to offer attractive ST offers and match day offers now for match day going fans.

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This guy. The naivety, just swallows PR statements whole.

The clubs want cash, if that means a load of games at 12:30 on a Saturday so be it, the ‘more coverage’ part is incidental.

Hang on, you just said the prices are fine, but the club also needs to sort out ST prices?

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by Mattyblue

[arbitro]

I would be far more palatable if I knew the money was being used to reduce ticket prices of to improve facilities but in most cases it won't. In our case it will likely be used to offset the annual losses. The agents will be rubbing their hands at this news and the likes of Swag can expect a rise too. So far the usual suspects have mentioned home games. What about the fans who travel away? A potential 12.30 kick off at Plymouth for us is far from ideal. And what about the staggered kick off times at weekend to get their allocation of matches in. We can expect more Saturday and Sunday night games.

[Mattyblue]

Maybe not more night matches, or anything much different than the Friday night, Saturday and Sunday noon KOs we have now - as I’ve read that most of the additional games (I.e going from around two/three live Championship games now to five when it kicks in) will be at 12:30 on a Saturday, across all three divisions.

So say Rovers V Plymouth up against two other Championship games plus a L1 and L2 game, all live on Sky at the same time. Not exactly giving the individual club this ‘increased coverage’ the naive one seems to think it’s all about…

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[wilsdenrover]

  On 06/05/2023 at 06:42, arbitro said:

I would be far more palatable if I knew the money was being used to reduce ticket prices of to improve facilities but in most cases it won't. In our case it will likely be used to offset the annual losses. The agents will be rubbing their hands at this news and the likes of Swag can expect a rise too. So far the usual suspects have mentioned home games. What about the fans who travel away? A potential 12.30 kick off at Plymouth for us is far from ideal. And what about the staggered kick off times at weekend to get their allocation of matches in. We can expect more Saturday and Sunday night games.

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I was going to mention away games but you’ve beaten me to it.

12:30 at Plymouth, or Ipswich, or Norwich, or Millwall, or Swansea, or Cardiff… is inconvenient whether a week or a year notice is given.

‘There are none so blind as those who will not see’

Edited May 6, 2023 by wilsdenrover

[wilsdenrover]

Also the more they stagger the fixtures the more it distorts the competition.

Clearly we failed to take advantage, but by the time we kicked off against Luton we knew it was back in our hands.

[Wheelton Blue]

An important point for ST holders....

We'll still be asked to buy our season tickets (in April/May) before the televised fixtures are announced (probably in July or whenever fixtures are released).

So as far as season tickets goes, we'll effectively have no more notice than we have now. ie we'll still be asked to buy STs before we know what the TV schedule looks like.

[rigger]

  On 06/05/2023 at 07:57, Wheelton Blue said:

An important point for ST holders....

We'll still be asked to buy our season tickets (in April/May) before the televised fixtures are announced (probably in July or whenever fixtures are released).

So as far as season tickets goes, we'll effectively have no more notice than we have now. ie we'll still be asked to buy STs before we know what the TV schedule looks like.

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What I can't get my head round is, people (no-one in particular) complaining about season ticket disadvantages, then still buying one. If you don't like the product , don't buy it.

[wilsdenrover]

  On 06/05/2023 at 09:23, rigger said:

What I can't get my head round is, people (no-one in particular) complaining about season ticket disadvantages, then still buying one. If you don't like the product , don't buy it.

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Sounds like an addiction 😁