Championship - 22-23

[booth]

Just now, roverandout said:

He looks even more hideous in this picture 

Note to self, don't mess with AI image generators! 😉

[Exiled_Rover]

26 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I so want him buried in Luton.

A mouthy bellend

I actually hate the man. 

[Mattyblue]

Don’t be ridiculous, Exiled 😁

[roversfan99]

Tomasson is here to line his pockets, he isnt here for love of the club.

[roverandout]

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Tomasson is here to line his pockets, he isnt here for love of the club.

True but jdt didn't talk the Club down at every opportunity 

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, roverandout said:

True but jdt didn't talk the Club down at every opportunity 

He has spent all season saying how we are over achieving by being in the top 6 and that we weren't expected to be there.

[booth]

11 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He has spent all season saying how we are over achieving by being in the top 6 and that we weren't expected to be there.

He was playing down expectations knowing we didn't have enough firepower (and was he wrong?), Mowbray was just dragging it out.

[phili]

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Again, I don't get too caught up in every word a manager said, they all follow the same script. He was probably saying things to try and reflect well back in India which in turn improves his job security. No way did he have loads of money on the table and said no. Conversely, he also said some nice things about our players here:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/23510587.sunderland-tony-mowbray-admits-middlesbrough-blackburn-surprise/

Apart from being on record saying he had to talk Venky's out of funding a back to back promotion push and instead go for consolidation and continual improvement.

With Venky's it's all about interest and excitement with them. After the league 1 promotion they were interested and willing to bankroll a promotion push. After that first season back they have lost interest again. I am hoping JDT and Greg have managed to get them interested again so we'll have a reasonable budget this summer.

[Sweaty Gussets]

29 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He has spent all season saying how we are over achieving by being in the top 6 and that we weren't expected to be there.

He called it a 'transition' year. I think that's reasonable when you are trying to change the way a football club operates. 

 

[47er]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Tomasson is here to line his pockets, he isnt here for love of the club.

That's rather loaded. HE'S HERE TO DO A JOB!

[47er]

13 hours ago, danger19_80 said:

Don't forget 3 of (likely) Everton, Leicester, Leeds and Southampton to throw into the mix. Will make it very tough.

On the other hand, Wigan have been relegated----that's worth a few points surely?!!

[roversfan99]

22 minutes ago, phili said:

Apart from being on record saying he had to talk Venky's out of funding a back to back promotion push and instead go for consolidation and continual improvement.

With Venky's it's all about interest and excitement with them. After the league 1 promotion they were interested and willing to bankroll a promotion push. After that first season back they have lost interest again. I am hoping JDT and Greg have managed to get them interested again so we'll have a reasonable budget this summer.

I think those quotes have been taken out of context, no way did he have millions to spend and turned it down.

If that is the way they run the club, based on sporadic levels of interest, then its pointless even getting caught up in quotes from people underneath. It shows where the problems start and end.

21 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

He called it a 'transition' year. I think that's reasonable when you are trying to change the way a football club operates. 

 

He said every week that we were over achieving and not expecting play offs. To me, its just managerial spiel, nothing to work myself up over. But certainly the quotes between the 2 people arent different enough to warrant either of them to be called a "cunt."

[roverandout]

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I think those quotes have been taken out of context, no way did he have millions to spend and turned it down.

If that is the way they run the club, based on sporadic levels of interest, then its pointless even getting caught up in quotes from people underneath. It shows where the problems start and end.

He said every week that we were over achieving and not expecting play offs. To me, its just managerial spiel, nothing to work myself up over. But certainly the quotes between the 2 people arent different enough to warrant either of them to be called a "cunt."

I didn't call him a cunt. I called him a cnut

[Mattyblue]

A king then, didn’t know you were such a fan…

[booth]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I think those quotes have been taken out of context, no way did he have millions to spend and turned it down.

If that is the way they run the club, based on sporadic levels of interest, then its pointless even getting caught up in quotes from people underneath. It shows where the problems start and end.

He said every week that we were over achieving and not expecting play offs. To me, its just managerial spiel, nothing to work myself up over. But certainly the quotes between the 2 people arent different enough to warrant either of them to be called a "cunt."

 Says promotion is too early and that he’s had to tell the owners that. Wastes years of everyone’s time, as well as money, on a journey to nowhere. Leaves us without a decent centre forward.

At his next club, lucks out (partly due to previous club not having decent centre forward) then says promotion can never be too early.

Managerial spiel or not, the man’s an awful cunt.

[chaddyrovers]

14 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

How we look is subjective, results are objective and they haven't improved over the course of the development of our passing "style."

I think over we have played better playing our possession based team and if we signed Undav in January then I am very confident we would have made top 6 if not challenge Sheffield United for that second place 

[Exiled_Rover]

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/karma-carlton-palmer-delivers-blackburn-rovers-sunderland-verdict-concerning-tony-mowbray/

Oh dear, Carlton Palmer - what a prick.

[booth]

18 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/karma-carlton-palmer-delivers-blackburn-rovers-sunderland-verdict-concerning-tony-mowbray/

Oh dear, Carlton Palmer - what a prick.

To be fair he was a prick before he opened his mouth.

Just as uniformed as he was a terrible footballer. Up there with Keith Andrews for crappy players who managed to steal a living. People talk like he was just awful for England, but he was just awful.

 

[Hasta]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/karma-carlton-palmer-delivers-blackburn-rovers-sunderland-verdict-concerning-tony-mowbray/

Oh dear, Carlton Palmer - what a prick.

Depends what he is referring to.

Should we have kept Mowbray on? No Way.

But after 5 years, to then let his contract run down without actually telling him one way or another what is going on long term is pretty shitty (albeit not unexpected here).

Of course, we may have told him we were not renewing and he was just playing "hard done by" in the media. 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Hasta

[rog of the rovers]

The Mowbray v Tomasson debate really comes down to how you want to frame your argument.

Mowbray took a team to the playoffs, Tomasson didn't - True statement

Mowbray achieved the same number of points with Sunderland in 22/23 as he did with Rovers in 21/22, one team made the playoffs, one team had no chance of making the playoffs going into the final set of fixtures - True statement

Tomasson matched Mowbray's best season (points wise), needing only one campaign to match Mowbray's best of four full Championship seasons. - True statement

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by rog of the rovers

[AllRoverAsia]

3 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/karma-carlton-palmer-delivers-blackburn-rovers-sunderland-verdict-concerning-tony-mowbray/

Oh dear, Carlton Palmer - what a prick.

I will not bother to read that.

[roversfan99]

It isn't even a Mowbray v Tomasson debate as I haven't seen one person on this messageboard who would pick Mowbray out of the 2.

It is calling Mowbray a cunt or making out that he is this horrible man and/or a terrible manager that doesn't sit right with me.

These quotes have obviously been taken out of context, as I said, no way did he turn down literally millions of pounds to spend on the team. In the days following promotion when his stock was high, he regularly bigged up the owners, whether that was an attempt to strengthen his position, whether he had someone in his ear saying this is a time to try and get the fans back on side, whatever it was, those now out of context quotes weren't the only example of him waxing lyrical about the owners, around the time that he regularly flew to India when the season finished.

If indeed Venkys do run the club based on random spurts of excitement and interest, which is quite possibly likely or even generous, then that is the sole problem.

He is what he is, a decent Championship manager who did his best for us and kept a steady ship during a spell where ultimately, not helped by at the end seemingly a silence from India, it got to the stage where a fresh start was good for all concerned. 

[wilsdenrover]

59 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It isn't even a Mowbray v Tomasson debate as I haven't seen one person on this messageboard who would pick Mowbray out of the 2.

It is calling Mowbray a cunt or making out that he is this horrible man and/or a terrible manager that doesn't sit right with me.

These quotes have obviously been taken out of context, as I said, no way did he turn down literally millions of pounds to spend on the team. In the days following promotion when his stock was high, he regularly bigged up the owners, whether that was an attempt to strengthen his position, whether he had someone in his ear saying this is a time to try and get the fans back on side, whatever it was, those now out of context quotes weren't the only example of him waxing lyrical about the owners, around the time that he regularly flew to India when the season finished.

If indeed Venkys do run the club based on random spurts of excitement and interest, which is quite possibly likely or even generous, then that is the sole problem.

He is what he is, a decent Championship manager who did his best for us and kept a steady ship during a spell where ultimately, not helped by at the end seemingly a silence from India, it got to the stage where a fresh start was good for all concerned. 

It’s possible for someone to be both 😁 (I don’t think Mowbray is)

[Parsonblue]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

It isn't even a Mowbray v Tomasson debate as I haven't seen one person on this messageboard who would pick Mowbray out of the 2.

It is calling Mowbray a cunt or making out that he is this horrible man and/or a terrible manager that doesn't sit right with me.

These quotes have obviously been taken out of context, as I said, no way did he turn down literally millions of pounds to spend on the team. In the days following promotion when his stock was high, he regularly bigged up the owners, whether that was an attempt to strengthen his position, whether he had someone in his ear saying this is a time to try and get the fans back on side, whatever it was, those now out of context quotes weren't the only example of him waxing lyrical about the owners, around the time that he regularly flew to India when the season finished.

If indeed Venkys do run the club based on random spurts of excitement and interest, which is quite possibly likely or even generous, then that is the sole problem.

He is what he is, a decent Championship manager who did his best for us and kept a steady ship during a spell where ultimately, not helped by at the end seemingly a silence from India, it got to the stage where a fresh start was good for all concerned. 

Totally agree.  Mowbray did a decent job but the time was right for a change for both Mowbray and the club.  I have no problems with the guy who I thought was genuine.  Good luck to him at Sunderland although I suspect they will struggle to beat Luton over two legs - as would we if we had got through to the play-offs.

Personally, more concerned with who might be in charge of us next season.  I'm not convinced that Tomasson will stick around if offers come in from clubs with better resources.

[booth]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

It isn't even a Mowbray v Tomasson debate as I haven't seen one person on this messageboard who would pick Mowbray out of the 2.

It is calling Mowbray a cunt or making out that he is this horrible man and/or a terrible manager that doesn't sit right with me.

These quotes have obviously been taken out of context, as I said, no way did he turn down literally millions of pounds to spend on the team. In the days following promotion when his stock was high, he regularly bigged up the owners, whether that was an attempt to strengthen his position, whether he had someone in his ear saying this is a time to try and get the fans back on side, whatever it was, those now out of context quotes weren't the only example of him waxing lyrical about the owners, around the time that he regularly flew to India when the season finished.

If indeed Venkys do run the club based on random spurts of excitement and interest, which is quite possibly likely or even generous, then that is the sole problem.

He is what he is, a decent Championship manager who did his best for us and kept a steady ship during a spell where ultimately, not helped by at the end seemingly a silence from India, it got to the stage where a fresh start was good for all concerned. 

Did he leave us without a decent centre forward, yes or no?
Was it by choice, yes or no?

Answers below.

Mostly no - useless 5 year journey
Mostly yes - cunt