v Middlesbrough (a) - 15/10/22

[speeeeeeedie]

4 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

I want to see the following formation please. Three at the back, two wing backs, three in midfied, two up front. As soon as we do it I am sure we will see a big improvement. Such a simple change... Dack plays in midfield and number 10 areas, not as a "false 9" and Gally and BBD look to play through the middle mostly, not run the wings. Britain and Pickering are expected to provide the width.

Ayala out due to injury.

                            Kaminski

               Carter      Hyam    Wharton

   Brittain     Travis    Dack    Morton     Pickering

                   Gallagher     Brereton

3 at the back has been working quite well, however, I think that Pickering on the left is miles better suited to a traditional left back role. Playing pie in the sky football manager and expecting another defeat I'd go with the potentially suicidal 4 attackers. 

                         Kaminski

     Brittain   Hyam    Wharton  Pickering

                   Travis      Morton 

                            Dack   

       Hedges       Gallagher     Brereton

 

[J*B]

Just now, speeeeeeedie said:

3 at the back has been working quite well, however, I think that Pickering on the left is miles better suited to a traditional left back role. Playing pie in the sky football manager and expecting another defeat I'd go with the potentially suicidal 4 attackers. 

                         Kaminski

     Brittain   Hyam    Wharton  Pickering

                   Travis      Morton 

                            Dack   

       Hedges       Gallagher     Brereton

 

There’s 6 midfielders and strikers there and only one has a tackle in them. We’d get absolutely pulverised with that team. 

[speeeeeeedie]

5 minutes ago, J*B said:

There’s 6 midfielders and strikers there and only one has a tackle in them. We’d get absolutely pulverised with that team. 

Oh, I know. Hence me caveating it with "potentially suicidal". I don't expect a win so why not go down swinging? 

Ideally I'd have a 3rd central midfield player and drop either Gallagher or Hedges, but Rovers don't have anyone capable. Buckley is too lightweight. Wharton Jr. is close but similar to Morton. Could Mola do it? I don't know anything about him.

[roversfan99]

16 minutes ago, J*B said:

There’s 6 midfielders and strikers there and only one has a tackle in them. We’d get absolutely pulverised with that team. 

Regardless of formation, we don't have any other senior players really in midfield aside from the underperforming Travis who have a tackle in them.

[1864roverite]

29 minutes ago, J*B said:

There’s 6 midfielders and strikers there and only one has a tackle in them. We’d get absolutely pulverised with that team. 

Its going to happen anyhow!!🤬

[booth]

4 hours ago, Rover_in_the_South said:

We didn't realise how good we had it when John Williams was running the show did we!

He certainly wouldn't have made 23 year old Hirst his main striker target when our only other senior option is Gallagher.

[RoversTilliDie]

3 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

3 at the back has been working quite well, however, I think that Pickering on the left is miles better suited to a traditional left back role. Playing pie in the sky football manager and expecting another defeat I'd go with the potentially suicidal 4 attackers. 

                         Kaminski

     Brittain   Hyam    Wharton  Pickering

                   Travis      Morton 

                            Dack   

       Hedges       Gallagher     Brereton

 

With the squad we have i reckon 4-4-2 suits us. It worked well against Rotherham.

[RoversTilliDie]

I can't see were our next away points are coming from at the moment, we go behind heads down and accept defeat. A totally different story at home plenty of attacking spirit. We can't depend on our home form till the end of the season, not many teams win all their home games. Come on Rovers wake up away from home.

[Ossydave]

It's impossible to believe we'll have the same game plan as vs Cardiff and Wigan, erm isn't it?

There's been some poor performances and naive decisions so far under JDT, but I'm not writing him off and slitting my wrists just yet.

Dack simply has to be involved for at least 45 mins or fans are going to keep voicing opinions and showing frustration, especially if we're not performing.

I'd also like to see Markanday get some minutes. In the cup games and u21 games he's been decent. 

Hirst doesn't seem much better than Chris Brown up to now so he can't start.

[Guest]

Kaminski

Brittain
Hyam
Ayala
S. Wharton
Pickering

A. Wharton
Travis
Morton

Brereton Díaz
Gallagher

Get the full backs high. Pack the midfield with players who can operate under pressure in AW & TM. Defend the box well with a very solid back three that rivals anyone in the league. Wigan wasn't the game for 5ATB, this most definitely is.

[roversfan99]

Can Morton operate under pressure? The winner on Tuesday night came from him dawdling on the ball.

I am against the idea of constantly flipping between formations, it goes against the hope of building familiarity and consistency. We didnt have a shot on goal on Tuesday so to make the team even more defensive seems counter productive. Dack has to start and Markanday has a very strong case too.

[ItsRoverZ]

Fook it 

 

                     Kaminksi

    Hyam       S. Wharton    Ayala

Brittain                                 Pickering 

                Travis   A. Wharton 

                            Dack 

                 Markandy     BBD

[Ghost7]

Morton ran the game v Rotherham, Wharton ran the game v Blackpool. When did Travis last run a Championship fixture? He needs to step it up.

[tomphil]

Not really Travis job to do that though he's the water carrier for the more footballing sidekick but they are disappearing in games when the rough stuff starts.

[Upside Down]

13 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

I want to see the following formation please. Three at the back, two wing backs, three in midfied, two up front. As soon as we do it I am sure we will see a big improvement. Such a simple change... Dack plays in midfield and number 10 areas, not as a "false 9" and Gally and BBD look to play through the middle mostly, not run the wings. Britain and Pickering are expected to provide the width.

Ayala out due to injury.

                            Kaminski

               Carter      Hyam    Wharton

   Brittain     Travis    Dack    Morton     Pickering

                   Gallagher     Brereton

It honestly is that simple. 

[1864roverite]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Can Morton operate under pressure? The winner on Tuesday night came from him dawdling on the ball..

The winner came from his naivety as a young footballer!

[Adam C]

Bit of a long shot but can anybody recommend a pub in Liverpool that might be showing the match?

[Guest]

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Markanday has a very strong case too.

Based on what? A volley against Wolfsburg? Have you seen the way he played for the full 90...

[Guest]

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I am against the idea of constantly flipping between formations

We started a 5 at Wigan (poor decision but we did).

[Miller11]

5 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Based on what? A volley against Wolfsburg? Have you seen the way he played for the full 90...

How was he Joe? Something came up and I missed the match unfortunately.

From the brief bits I’ve seen of Markanday he looks creative but inconsistent. I worry how that would translate against first team championship opposition, but I’d certainly have him ahead of Hirst if we must insist on wide strikers. Not sure he’d get ahead of Dolan or Hedges though, and continued use of Gallagher there  is a different discussion.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Miller11

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

How was he Joe? Something came up and I missed the match unfortunately.

From the brief bits I’ve seen of Markanday he looks creative but inconsistent. I worry how that would translate against first team championship opposition, but I’d certainly have him ahead of Hirst if we must insist on wide strikers. Not sure he’d get ahead of Dolan or Hedges though, and continued use of Gallagher there  is a different discussion.

Creative but inconsistent. He's weak in the challenge. The Wolfsburg LB was their best player, but was that because he was genuinely a level above his teammates, or was Markanday poorer than his teammates? I'd say a mixture. He has a turn of speed but can't maintain it over longer distances. His finishing is great, but 1v1 dribbling he's often guilty of trying too much. Good movement. No better than Dolan for me, but a young player who can definitely improve. For me, an Armstrong type who'd be better in the future as a 9 getting in behind the back line.

Edited October 14, 2022 by JoeH

[AllRoverAsia]

6 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Creative but inconsistent. He's weak in the challenge. The Wolfsburg LB was their best player, but was that because he was genuinely a level above his teammates, or was Markanday poorer than his teammates? I'd say a mixture. He has a turn of speed but can't maintain it over longer distances. His finishing is great, but 1v1 dribbling he's often guilty of trying too much. Good movement. No better than Dolan for me, but a young player who can definitely improve. For me, an Armstrong type who'd be better in the future as a 9 getting in behind the back line.

Their LB was some unit. A total miss match.

The full match is now on Rovers TV

Edited October 14, 2022 by AllRoverAsia

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, JoeH said:

Based on what? A volley against Wolfsburg? Have you seen the way he played for the full 90...

Yes, I went... He can make things happen it seems from the very little we have seen of him. His chance more comes from many others offering so little.

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by roversfan99

[RV Blue]

There’s no reason why Travis, Morton and Wharton can’t play in the same team. Would actually give us a chance of linking defence to attack.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, JoeH said:

We started a 5 at Wigan (poor decision but we did).

We could do with some consistency in selection. No one knows going into each game what the team or formation will be. 4 at the back is my preference in a 4-2-3-1. Suits our squad.