January Transfer Window.

[Mattyblue]

3 minutes ago, JoeH said:

I'm not saying I disagree, but neither of our opinions are relevant. The manager wants to play out, invite teams on and be expansive and risk taking. Porteous doesn't improve our ability to do that.

Why they after him then?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Why they after him then?

My guess several pages ago is that much like Hedges, it's seen as a ROI addition to replace high-waged Daniel Ayala. For that reason, I can see why we'd do it. We still need muscle behind Hyam.

[JHRover]

So in the same week we look likely to lose our established proven goal getter on a free transfer, our solution is to head into the loan market to borrow someone else until the end of the season.

For all the talk about projects, losing contracted assets for zilch and bringing in short term loans is the polar opposite of that.

It suggests a club that hasn't got the first idea what it is doing so resorts to the tried and tested easy and cheap option of plumping for another clubs' prospects to sort the problem for a few months.

Different people running it but not a lot changed.

[BigUts]

In a weird way, BBD having his contract already sorted might help us. He has seemed so tentative in recent weeks and possibly worrying about any serious injury. If his contract is already signed maybe he won't be so worried about it.

On the other hand, he now has zero incentive to do the goods on the pitch for us. Imagine we get promoted and he is already off to La Liga and missing out on the riches and exposure of the PL...

[Exiled_Rover]

16 minutes ago, JoeH said:

My guess several pages ago is that much like Hedges, it's seen as a ROI addition to replace high-waged Daniel Ayala. For that reason, I can see why we'd do it. We still need muscle behind Hyam.

People are also making too much out of our CBs being playmakers. 

Their primary job in this system is to defend. When they're on the ball they're meant to pass it to the CMs or FBs. They're not being asked to deliver 40 yard through balls. The problem is our CMs go hiding (hence why Dack is dropping so deep to get the ball!) and our only system-friendly FB is injured (again).

 

Edited January 18, 2023 by Exiled_Rover

[G Somerset Rover]

17 minutes ago, JoeH said:

My guess several pages ago is that much like Hedges, it's seen as a ROI addition to replace high-waged Daniel Ayala. For that reason, I can see why we'd do it. We still need muscle behind Hyam.

Aren’t you in our scouting team? Or do I have the wrong man?

[tomphil]

22 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

“ Physical and rough “ has got more chance of getting you out of this division than “ playing out from the back “ unless we have £20 million to chuck at real footballers that are capable of doing it.

He sounds just what we need but what would happen to him when these continental football mentality coaches get hold of him !

Sounds a bit of a Grant Hanley but i'd wager if that ball on Sat for their first goal came in either would have met it and got rid. Then we aren't 1 nil down inside two mins. However when you are being told and coached to do that it muddies the waters and we are back to square one.

[tomphil]

15 minutes ago, BigUts said:

In a weird way, BBD having his contract already sorted might help us. He has seemed so tentative in recent weeks and possibly worrying about any serious injury. If his contract is already signed maybe he won't be so worried about it.

On the other hand, he now has zero incentive to do the goods on the pitch for us. Imagine we get promoted and he is already off to La Liga and missing out on the riches and exposure of the PL...

He has a tendency to go missing this time of year anyway i'm wondering if the heavy pitches are a bit of an issue for his style of play.  He always looks like a thoroughbred race horse in the early months before becoming very laboured in midwinter.

No surprise he did well with Chile and has constantly been linked with going somewhere there is sun shinning.

[Tugayisgod]

FFS . Hopefully JPVH can have a word in his ear and tell him to get up here

https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1162964766?-11198:839

[Mattyblue]

23 minutes ago, JHRover said:

So in the same week we look likely to lose our established proven goal getter on a free transfer, our solution is to head into the loan market to borrow someone else until the end of the season.

For all the talk about projects, losing contracted assets for zilch and bringing in short term loans is the polar opposite of that.

It suggests a club that hasn't got the first idea what it is doing so resorts to the tried and tested easy and cheap option of plumping for another clubs' prospects to sort the problem for a few months.

Different people running it but not a lot changed.

So that’s Lenihan, Rothwell, Nyambe, BBD and (probably) Dack leaving for a total of £0.

I’m sure I’ve been hearing about ‘the model’ for 2/3 years now so just a bit of a failure then thus far. But of course we all have to forget about all that and pretend that ‘the ROI model’ is only just kicking in now. 

Must think we came down in the last shower…
 

[Mercer]

56 minutes ago, BRFC_Polky said:

37 games, 26 goals in the Belgium A League last season. 
 

Wouldn’t be a bad signing for the next few months.

 

Unlike Hirst's spell in Championship, he scores feckin goals - promising.

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, BankEnd Rover said:

You couldn't feckin make it up.

Think we just p1ss money down the drain time and time and time again.

[Exiled_Rover]

25 minutes ago, BigUts said:

In a weird way, BBD having his contract already sorted might help us. He has seemed so tentative in recent weeks and possibly worrying about any serious injury. If his contract is already signed maybe he won't be so worried about it.

On the other hand, he now has zero incentive to do the goods on the pitch for us. Imagine we get promoted and he is already off to La Liga and missing out on the riches and exposure of the PL...

That would be the cherry on top.

[Mercer]

36 minutes ago, JoeH said:

I'm not saying I disagree, but neither of our opinions are relevant. The manager wants to play out, invite teams on and be expansive and risk taking. Porteous doesn't improve our ability to do that.

The manager needs to feckin learn and fast............................................!

[Exiled_Rover]

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

So that’s Lenihan, Rothwell, Nyambe, BBD and (probably) Dack leaving for a total of £0.

I’m sure I’ve been hearing about ‘the model’ for 2/3 years now so just a bit of a failure then thus far. But of course we all have to forget about all that and pretend that ‘the ROI model’ is only just kicking in now. 

Must think we came down in the last shower…
 

I'm only adding to the thread derailment, but screw it.

Broughton and JDT could do nothing about Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe (seems his mind was made up). We'll see if Dack stays / is sold and evidently Brereton-Diaz has had his head turned.

Everyone seems to expect these guys to be miracle workers. They have a lot of damage to fix, give them time - I genuinely thought this could be a relegation season with the squad Mowbray left. 

[Mercer]

This transfer thread is so feckin depressing.  Good job I've a lovely lunch lined up with copious wine - maybe me finished for the day on here!

 

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, BankEnd Rover said:

As one of the few fans that persisted with Brereton-Diaz when he was getting pelters from all sides because it was clear there was a footballer in there - he'll be getting a stony silence from me come his last game at Ewood.

 

[Mattyblue]

4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I'm only adding to the thread derailment, but screw it.

Broughton and JDT could do nothing about Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe (seems his mind was made up). We'll see if Dack stays / is sold and evidently Brereton-Diaz has had his head turned.

Everyone seems to expect these guys to be miracle workers. They have a lot of damage to fix, give them time - I genuinely thought this could be a relegation season with the squad Mowbray left. 

So the model’s the same, but difference now is we have this professional sounding and competent fella in charge, so he won’t allow these things to keep happening going forward?

I’ll be delighted to see it as I don’t want any more FFP and ‘skint’ sob stories when there has been tens of millions of talent walking out the door for nowt…

[JHRover]

12 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I'm only adding to the thread derailment, but screw it.

Broughton and JDT could do nothing about Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe (seems his mind was made up). We'll see if Dack stays / is sold and evidently Brereton-Diaz has had his head turned.

Everyone seems to expect these guys to be miracle workers. They have a lot of damage to fix, give them time - I genuinely thought this could be a relegation season with the squad Mowbray left. 

Of course nobody rational will blame Broughton or JDT for those departures given when they were brought in and yes they deserve a chance to see what they can do.

But fundamentally it is the same owners, the same invisible man and the same CEO in place. It appears from the Rothwell and Diaz situations that the owners' consent is still required before authorising sales, which is fine, but means there is every chance the same thing could happen again with the next batch.

I just think there is no real plan or structure. What the Club says and what the Club does remain well apart and will remain so for as long as we have owners on the other side of the world with no interest or understanding but retaining decision making power. Broughton could be a  miracle worker for all we know but there's little point to it if the wage structure prevents contract renewals and the owners won't sanction sales. We are a development club that reaps no benefits of the development, as the minute the players become valuable we can't keep them and they walk for nothing.

The irony isn't lost on me when Waggott rattles on about needing extra income from ST sales to meet outgoings. He's talking about pennies in the scheme of things when the Club should be awash with cash in return for losing these players.

[Miller11]

The whole “year option in our favour” has been an absolute disaster for us. All it’s done is encourage us to be complacent and penny pinching in our negotiations, not that the powers that be need any encouragement in that front. It’s not conducive to long term planning either.

Timing has worked against us to a degree, but there is never any urgency. 2 years ago Brereton would’ve jumped at a 4 year extension on the same terms he was on. All of a sudden he is able to command ten times that. There was no way he was signing a new deal with us, but we opt to keep him round on a wage well below what he could expect elsewhere. While he’s shown no visible signs of resentment it must be at least mildly frustrating.

The only way we salvage anything from this is getting a playoff spot - and that’s only a bit of face saving for us fans unless we go up.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Miller11

[superniko]

23 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I'm only adding to the thread derailment, but screw it.

Broughton and JDT could do nothing about Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe (seems his mind was made up). We'll see if Dack stays / is sold and evidently Brereton-Diaz has had his head turned.

Everyone seems to expect these guys to be miracle workers. They have a lot of damage to fix, give them time - I genuinely thought this could be a relegation season with the squad Mowbray left. 

That squad finished 8th last year and has been comfortable ever since promotion, especially considering a lot on this board were pretty relentless in telling us Rothwell, Lenihan and Nyambe weren't good enough anyway (comments on Rothwell not playing a single Bournemouth game, comments every time Boro lost at the start of season about Lenihan and people laughing that all Nyambe got was a 1 year contract at Wigan). In fact, a lot of this board said we have a better squad with Brittain, Hyam, Szmodics replacing them. Granted all of that may not apply to yourself.

Edited January 18, 2023 by superniko

[Exiled_Rover]

35 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

So the model’s the same, but difference now is we have this professional sounding and competent fella in charge, so he won’t allow these things to keep happening going forward?

I’ll be delighted to see it as I don’t want any more FFP and ‘skint’ sob stories when there has been tens of millions of talent walking out the door for nowt…

You thought Mowbray was operating to a plan or model?

To me he was flying by the seat of his pants trying to fill a squad every year. There was no succession planning - hell he didn't even decide on a style of play / formation.

[Mattyblue]

‘The club’ has spoken about selling players on for profit for a good few years now. This wasn’t a brand new direction for it when it was flagged up in a podcast last week.

You believe it has only been failure thus far because of Tony Mowbray, so with GB at the helm I’m looking forward to now finally becoming this fabled ‘ROI’/trading model club.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Mattyblue

[rigger]

The way I look at the Diaz situation is. Are we going up with or without Diaz, probably not. If Diaz has signed a pre contract agreement with another club, then I would play who ever we have got, who will be playing for us next season. If Diaz does not want to play for the Rovers, then grant his wish and don't pick him. In fact I wouldn't even have him in the U21s. We are Blackburn Rovers, not a facility for keeping other clubs players fit. I know it won't happen, but it is what I would do. If on the other hand Diaz hasn't signed a pre contract agreement, then I would more than welcome him in our first team.

[superniko]

5 minutes ago, rigger said:

The way I look at the Diaz situation is. Are we going up with or without Diaz, probably not. If Diaz has signed a pre contract agreement with another club, then I would play who ever we have got, who will be playing for us next season. If Diaz does not want to play for the Rovers, then grant his wish and don't pick him. In fact I wouldn't even have him in the U21s. We are Blackburn Rovers, not a facility for keeping other clubs players fit. I know it won't happen, but it is what I would do. If on the other hand Diaz hasn't signed a pre contract agreement, then I would more than welcome him in our first team.

It's a ridiculous rule/law when you actually think about it. Like you say we're essentially paying and maintaining an asset that will be somewhere else in 6 months. I guess it's a bit like working a notice period for us regular plebs, but when that happens you're usually recruiting and training up your replacement and getting them up to speed, or more likely if you're staying in the same industry with a competitor, you're put on gardening leave. And lets be honest, when people are working their notice period, they're really on the beach with their feet up putting in <50%.