January Transfer Window.

[JPTSwindon]

Yes but what can the club do if BBD doesn’t want to sign a new contract?
 

He will have been offered deals, probably best at the club, but the reality is when he was on form much bigger (Spanish) clubs will have been circling - who can offer far more. All the cards are with BBD. Now the goals have dried up we are all in ‘no man’s land’.

Rovers get much wrong, but on this, it is just the way the cookie crumbles.

[ItsRoverZ]

4 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

William Troost-Ekong leaving Watford….Their fans seem to think Porteous may be going to them…Hopefully not! 

If its a straight choice between us and Watford then we are not winning that unfortunately, more wages and more likely to go up. Wouldn't be the first CB we have missed out on to a champ team either (anel)

[BankEnd Rover]

2 minutes ago, ItsRoverZ said:

If its a straight choice between us and Watford then we are not winning that unfortunately, more wages and more likely to go up. Wouldn't be the first CB we have missed out on to a champ team either (anel)

Only problem Is would he be a gurantee starter for them?? Think he would be for us. Hopefully we already have the deal sorted with him.

[47er]

15 minutes ago, JPTSwindon said:

Rovers get much wrong, but on this, it is just the way the cookie crumbles

Really? Its all a matter of luck?

[Mattyblue]

20 minutes ago, JPTSwindon said:

Yes but what can the club do if BBD doesn’t want to sign a new contract?
 

He will have been offered deals, probably best at the club, but the reality is when he was on form much bigger (Spanish) clubs will have been circling - who can offer far more. All the cards are with BBD. Now the goals have dried up we are all in ‘no man’s land’.

Rovers get much wrong, but on this, it is just the way the cookie crumbles.

He would in all likelihood have signed if it was on the table earlier - just like SG did last season. 

Once he became Diaz, Chile superstar and Championship top scorer, of course he was never going to sign. But that isn’t the issue.
 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Mattyblue

[cesus]

27 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

He would in all likelihood have signed if it was on the table earlier - just like SG did last season. 

Once he became Diaz, Chile superstar and Championship top scorer, of course he was never going to sign. But that isn’t the issue.
 

To be fair to the club (well a normal club, but go with me) Breretons first contract with the club as a £6/7m player with huge potential would, surely have been worth more than an extention based on what was produced in his few seasons. Then Chile and Diaz happened out of the blue and we haven't been able to sort anything since be that club or player.  

[Mattyblue]

Thought he came here on relatively low wages, the famous ‘flex’? (The buzz word of brfcs before ‘ROI’ and ‘trading club’).

[cesus]

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Thought he came here on relatively low wages, the famous ‘flex’? (The buzz word of brfcs before ‘ROI’ and ‘trading club’).

I don't know what his wages are to be fair, but I'd want a new agent if I was on relatively low wages if I'd just been bought for many million.

[Mattyblue]

I can’t see any argument for him not being re-signed in late 2020, first half of 2021. But he wasn’t, so a £7million signing, a fortune for us, a star of the division, will leave for nowt, along with a load of other senior pros over the last 12 months.

It is what it is, but it must now change (and hopefully it will with GB), as the club can’t carry on hiding behind ‘FFP’ with a straight face with half the team walking out the door for feck all.

Edited January 21, 2023 by Mattyblue

[rigger]

12 hours ago, Hi Mack said:

Down to 6th at the minute! If we are serious about the playoffs surely we need to get a couple decent additions in ASAP.

Not sure we will deal with a new year capitulation too well again this time around! 

Back up to fifth

[rigger]

If Diaz leaves for nothing, so be it. Keep going over old ground is going to change nothing. Let's just hope lessons have been learnt.

[Wheelton Blue]

14 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

What who tells me?
 

I’ve been a season ticket holder for years and a member of this board for a while now too and im as sure as I can be that most on here would’ve gladly waived Ben off on loan at the start of the 21/22 season. We’d probably have been right too, he’d been hopeless most of the time until then. They’d offered him a new contract BEFORE Christmas!

Had they offered him it before that season started, I’m sure he’d have been delighted to sign and most of the fanbase left wondering why?

It’s simple supply and demand. On a they know they can get more, you’re knackered.

Planning 2yrs in front is the only way to mitigate risk, but even that wouldn’t have worked with Ben, such was his rise.

Whereever the fault lies - be it the owners through to our hapless exec team - it should not be acceptable, in any way, for several high value players to leave a FFP challenged club for nothing. 

The club will tell us that there was nothing more that they could have done, when actually, it is precisely their responsibility is to make sure that something else was done, to serve the best interests of BRFC.

Some people choose to believe them; I for one, don't.

 

[tomphil]

55 minutes ago, cesus said:

I don't know what his wages are to be fair, but I'd want a new agent if I was on relatively low wages if I'd just been bought for many million.

It was well trumpeted at the time by our own CEO that they'd spent big money on potential and it was balanced by low wages. He was 19 ?   and came from Nottingham Forest that's why there was the famous 'flex' approach.

[cesus]

21 minutes ago, tomphil said:

It was well trumpeted at the time by our own CEO that they'd spent big money on potential and it was balanced by low wages. He was 19 ?   and came from Nottingham Forest that's why there was the famous 'flex' approach.

Well now I know. 

[islander200]

Britt Assombalonga in talks with us

[Upside Down]

3 hours ago, Shirley Crabtree Wrestler said:

Sadly, if you under resource any organisation, and try to get by with the bare minimum, you end up having to cut corners. This is never fair on the people at the front end, customer facing, or behind the scenes battling the system imposed on them, rather than having enough (good) people to do the job properly. 

The people at Ewood don't own the club and can only run with what they are given. The people that own the club don't run it day to day (or season to season it would appear) other than to inject cash on a regular basis to prop it up.

I know none of us like the tune that has been playing continuously for so many year now, but we can't blame the monkey, when the organ grinder has gone awol on another continent.

Now, please can we have some news on signings?

That is very true. However, the total contempt that the people running the place on the ground show towards the fans and surrounding community cannot be soley pinned on the owners asthey are totally absent.

 

[JBiz]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

I can’t see any argument for him not being re-signed in late 2020, first half of 2021. But he wasn’t, so a £7million signing, a fortune for us, a star of the division, will leave for nowt, along with a load of other senior pros over the last 12 months.

It is what it is, but it must now change (and hopefully it will with GB), as the club can’t carry on hiding behind ‘FFP’ with a straight face with half the team walking out the door for feck all.

There’s an simpler way to see it.

Parachute payment team first year sponsorship money; Roughly 45m

None parachute team sponsorship money; 5m

Forgetting turnover or selling players for a second, how can any non PP team in the division, stop proven top championship players leaving to PP teams?

There is no way to compete with the remuneration.

Also, the gap in skill / ability level between top championship players and bottom half premier league standard isn’t that great.

Rothwell, Armstrong and Brereton Diaz next, all examples of players who’ve financially “outgrown” us.
 

Lenihan and Nyambe, different questions but east to understand when you’re trying to stretch your turnover to a decent squad, when rivals for promotion generally are teams with far more scope for a wage bill.

Trying to beat last seasons relegated teams is akin to playing heads up poker against someone with nearly ten times starting stack.

If only we’d gone for a multi award and trophy winning up and coming manager when we’d been relegated instead of the Cumbernauld C word.

 

[Mattyblue]

Don’t disagree generally, but BB (without the D) had not outgrown us in late 2020, first half of 2021, just like SG hadn’t last season.

[JBiz]

2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Don’t disagree generally, but BB (without the D) had not outgrown us in late 2020, first half of 2021, just like SG hadn’t last season.

Much easier to convince SG who’s next step is likely downwards! 

[Mattyblue]

BB was a decent enough Championship player at that stage, but no second tier star, rebuilding his confidence after a tough couple of years, he wouldn’t have signed an improved new deal at that juncture? 

I say he would if it was on the table, the mood music of the time was nothing was on said table.
 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

9 minutes ago, JBiz said:

There’s an simpler way to see it.

Parachute payment team first year sponsorship money; Roughly 45m

None parachute team sponsorship money; 5m

Forgetting turnover or selling players for a second, how can any non PP team in the division, stop proven top championship players leaving to PP teams?

There is no way to compete with the remuneration.

Also, the gap in skill / ability level between top championship players and bottom half premier league standard isn’t that great.

Rothwell, Armstrong and Brereton Diaz next, all examples of players who’ve financially “outgrown” us.
 

Lenihan and Nyambe, different questions but east to understand when you’re trying to stretch your turnover to a decent squad, when rivals for promotion generally are teams with far more scope for a wage bill.

Trying to beat last seasons relegated teams is akin to playing heads up poker against someone with nearly ten times starting stack.

If only we’d gone for a multi award and trophy winning up and coming manager when we’d been relegated instead of the Cumbernauld C word.

 

Yep, keeping Kean on after relegation was a bigger mistake than sacking Sam was. Indeed keeping Kean on after he very nearly relegated us the first time around was a bigger mistake than sacking Sam. It was downhill all the way once Kean was allowed to waste the parachute payments.

[Mattyblue]

And the fanbase has also never recovered from him being kept on in summer 2012, lost nearly half our ST holders in one summer, unheard of anywhere else.

Edited January 21, 2023 by Mattyblue

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Britt Assombalonga in talks with us

Hahahahaha

[Butty]

3 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Hahahahaha

 

29 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Britt Assombalonga in talks with us

The @Madon special 

[lraC]

28 minutes ago, JBiz said:

There’s an simpler way to see it.

Parachute payment team first year sponsorship money; Roughly 45m

None parachute team sponsorship money; 5m

Forgetting turnover or selling players for a second, how can any non PP team in the division, stop proven top championship players leaving to PP teams?

There is no way to compete with the remuneration.

Also, the gap in skill / ability level between top championship players and bottom half premier league standard isn’t that great.

Rothwell, Armstrong and Brereton Diaz next, all examples of players who’ve financially “outgrown” us.
 

Lenihan and Nyambe, different questions but east to understand when you’re trying to stretch your turnover to a decent squad, when rivals for promotion generally are teams with far more scope for a wage bill.

Trying to beat last seasons relegated teams is akin to playing heads up poker against someone with nearly ten times starting stack.

If only we’d gone for a multi award and trophy winning up and coming manager when we’d been relegated instead of the Cumbernauld C word.

 

Yep, that last paragraph says it all.

Perhaps they were badly advised!!!