January Transfer Window.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Broughton has had 2 windows to sort a competent striker and has fucked both up. Not confident he can make it 3rd time lucky.

Yes he has to get it right in the summer. Josh Maja and Rhys Healey(I believe) is available in the summer on a free I would hope Rovers would make him an option to sign. 

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

He has said that we are overachieving loads of times. The club clearly is keen to downplay expectations.

JDT is downplaying everything and taking the pressure of the players

57 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

Agree. It’s a disgrace we didn’t prioritise one this window.

Well that's ain't true tho cos we did prioritise a striker and had 2 deals done until their player club withdrew from the deal

[Miller11]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Well that's ain't true tho cos we did prioritise a striker and had 2 deals done until their player club withdrew from the deal

I couldn’t care less about hard luck stories and excuses, they don’t get you goals. We failed to bring one in. If it was a priority and a striker has failed to materialise the Broughton is as useless as all the other wasters Venky’s have employed.

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

I couldn’t care less about hard luck stories and excuses, they don’t get you goals. We failed to bring one in. If it was a priority and a striker has failed to materialise the Broughton is as useless as all the other wasters Venky’s have employed.

Broughton explained the situation and it's one that we have accept it the circumstances which happened during the transfer window. We will learn lessons from it and get better equipped for the next one 

[Hasta]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes he has to get it right in the summer. Josh Maja and Rhys Healey(I believe) is available in the summer on a free I would hope Rovers would make him an option to sign. 

I’m judging JDT after the World Cup break, and Broughton after the January transfer window closes, like you advised us all to do. 

I like both of them as people on the surface, but JDT is now coming up short on the pitch and GB has spectacularly failed his first big test.

[JHRover]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Broughton explained the situation and it's one that we have accept it the circumstances which happened during the transfer window. We will learn lessons from it and get better equipped for the next one 

Always tomorrow, never today

That's the motto of Venky Rovers. 

[Sweaty Gussets]

On 23/01/2023 at 20:05, chaddyrovers said:

relax and stop going OTT over it. We will make the signings we needed before the window shuts

 

On 23/01/2023 at 20:03, chaddyrovers said:

 

Just for the record if criticism is warrant and needed I will say so 

The floor is yours sir 😉

[chaddyrovers]

14 minutes ago, Sweaty Gussets said:

 

The floor is yours sir 😉

I gave my comments on the transfer window failure to sign a striker and to get the Lewis O'Brien deal over the line in the last couple of days

Edited February 4, 2023 by chaddyrovers

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes he has to get it right in the summer. Josh Maja and Rhys Healey(I believe) is available in the summer on a free I would hope Rovers would make him an option to sign. 

JDT is downplaying everything and taking the pressure of the players

Well that's ain't true tho cos we did prioritise a striker and had 2 deals done until their player club withdrew from the deal

He needs to put some pressure on the players in the future.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He needs to put some pressure on the players in the future.

He can do that in the dressing room not in public. 

[glen9mullan]

59 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Broughton explained the situation and it's one that we have accept it the circumstances which happened during the transfer window. We will learn lessons from it and get better equipped for the next one 

We don't have to accept.

Lets put this differently.

Rovers have made a number of people redundant over the last 8 months to help pay for Broughton. Loyal employees in some cases who were here long before Venkys.

Over the Venkys reign loads have been made redundant to cover the ever increasing cost cutting exercise.

People losing their jobs are the "doers" not the ones wheeled out in front of the press or holding the office in the boardroom.

Rovers are in a promotion race, (how is another story) however the facts are the table does not lie. We are there and there on merit.

The Raos signed off the spend, sanctioned the wages, sanctioned the compulsory purchase as our BOARD and MANAGER strongly believe we can go up this season. It doesn't matter if you or I think they can or cant, that was the business case apportioned to these signings.

The Raos could claw back every penny they've spent on a £250 to £300 million promotion jackpot.

Our players if we went up, rise significantly in transfer value.

These signings as part of the business case have a forecasted potential sell on value.

Our season ticket/match tickets take up increases by promotion.

Our sponsorship, retail and marketing opportunities increase.

Now lets look at the other side of the coin.

None promotion, with our star assets for the second season running walking away for free means we wont have a transfer budget in the summer. We have no income to reinvest, and no strikers.

More innocent lower level employees will lose their jobs.

Seasin ticket and match tickets will rise, but the uptake will likely decrease.

The manager unless we sack him ( unlikely to pay a manager £2 million to sack him anyway as we've no money) may walk with the knowledge not only does he have no money to spend, but will also have to sell three or four players to balance the book.

Economy wise in football, wages and transfer values will continue to increase, so where rovers are currently shopping at a jumble sale, next season the one after etc, we will be at shopping at the football version of food banks.

Level of players we attract becomes worse than what we have, and we become closer to being in the 3rd tier of football for only the 4th time in our history.

This almighty cock up on Tuesday is not isolated to having 2 less players. The knock on affect could be terminal 

Why should Mrs Jones who runs the safeguarding get sacked because GB the guy who was brought in to look after transfers has royally fucked up? 

Why should the fans pay an extra £50 a season ticket next season to pay for this incompetence and contribute towards his £160k base salary, plus his £120k benefit package?

The reality is what you see as a setback, is far more to the wider picture when those not involved feel it in the pocket.

They all need to be removed, this aint championship manager, this is real life 

Had I cocked up a potential £250 million frame work in my own job, that would probably see 600 plus redundancies and me heading of to the job centre.

2 days a year, yes just two days, we have to be slick, punctual and get it right. On all counts we have not, time for them to go.

Edited February 4, 2023 by glen9mullan

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

We don't have to accept.

Lets put this differently.

Rovers have made a number of people redundant over the last 8 months to help pay for Broughton. Loyal employees in some cases who were here long before Venkys.

Over the Venkys reign loads have been made redundant to cover the ever increasing cost cutting exercise.

People losing their jobs are the "doers" not the ones wheeled out in front of the press or holding the office in the boardroom.

Rovers are in a promotion race, (how is another story) however the facts are the table does not lie. We are there and there on merit.

The Raos signed off the spend, sanctioned the wages, sanctioned the compulsory purchase as our BOARD and MANAGER strongly believe we can go up this season. It doesn't matter if you or I think they can or cant, that was the business case apportioned to these signings.

The Raos could claw back every penny they've spent on a £250 to £300 million promotion jackpot.

Our players if we went up, rise significantly in transfer value.

These signings as part of the business case have a forecasted potential sell on value.

Our season ticket/match tickets take up increases by promotion.

Our sponsorship, retail and marketing opportunities increase.

Now lets look at the other side of the coin.

None promotion, with our star assets for the second season running walking away for free means we wont have a transfer budget in the summer. We have no income to reinvest, and no strikers.

More innocent lower level employees will lose their jobs.

Seasin ticket and match tickets will rise, but the uptake will likely decrease.

The manager unless we sack him ( unlikely to pay a manager £2 million to sack him anyway as we've no money) may walk with the knowledge not only does he have no money to spend, but will also have to sell three or four players to balance the book.

Economy wise in football, wages and transfer values will continue to increase, so where rovers are currently shopping at a jumble sale, next season the one after etc, we will be at shopping at the football version of food banks.

Level of players we attract becomes worse than what we have, and we become closer to being in the 3rd tier of football for only the 3rd time in our history.

This almighty cock up on Tuesday is not isolated to having 2 less players. The knock on affect could be terminal 

Why should Mrs Jones who runs the safeguarding get sacked because GB the guy who was brought in to look after transfers has royally fucked up? 

Why should the fans pay an extra £50 a season ticket next season to pay for this incompetence and contribute towards his £160k base salary, plus his £120k benefit package?

The reality is what you see as a setback, is far more to the wider picture when those not involved feel it in the pocket.

They all need to be removed, this aint championship manager, this is real life 

Had I cocked up a potential £250 million frame work in my own job, that would probably see 600 plus redundancies and me heading of to the job centre.

2 days a year, yes just two days, we have to be slick, punctual and get it right. On all counts we have not, time for them to go.

A pedant writes - It would actually be the fourth time we’d have been in the third tier if we go down again.

[onlyoneDuff]

Just curious..would say a Director of Logistics for Venkys in India keep his or her job if a potential multimillion mistake was made on their watch..I would strongly doubt it...why is it different here?

[glen9mullan]

8 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

A pedant writes - It would actually be the fourth time we’d have been in the third tier if we go down again.

My bad, forgot the early 70s, in my life time though is 3, 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

21 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

My bad, forgot the early 70s, in my life time though is 3, 

It wasn’t all bad in the early 1970’s , Tony Field etc , but I’d rather not go back there.

[Leonard Venkhater]

17 minutes ago, onlyoneDuff said:

Just curious..would say a Director of Logistics for Venkys in India keep his or her job if a potential multimillion mistake was made on their watch..I would strongly doubt it...why is it different here?

I am just wondering if a deputy, vice assistant will get thrown under a bus.

I just listened again to GB. I picked up a nuance that the actual club process in place for the last "8-10 years" is a problem.

Hard not to note that this coincides with our Indian ownership. Any possibility that this is about awaiting sign off from people .....not directly involved?

Also, I can't help wondering where Swag is/was in all this. I know that literally he was in Birmingham...but how does he feel about the fact that he is now removed from matters associated with the playing side..and GB is in the driving seat. 

GB is seen to fail. Is this good or bad for Swag? Hey ho

[Leonard Venkhater]

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It wasn’t all bad in the early 1970’s , Tony Field etc , but I’d rather not go back there.

I do remember it warmly though-the re-birth..Tony Field, Johnny Price, Big John McNamee, Sir Roger. Kit Napier, Dumper...

At least then, I believed and I knew the people in charge cared about the club....

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

7 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I do remember it warmly though-the re-birth..Tony Field, Johnny Price, Big John McNamee, Sir Roger. Kit Napier, Dumper...

At least then, I believed and I knew the people in charge cared about the club....

We did, but then we were the ones going. There were at least as many stayaways telling us (well, me at least) we were idiots, the club was a shambles, 7 years previous they’d been watching Duggie and Ronnie in their pomp with us near the top of Div 1 etc etc.

Back to the current omnishambles, my money is on Broughton/JDT are already telling Waggott he can go into the Summer window with them or with  Sylvester, but not both.

[Miller11]

37 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto Mk2 said:

We did, but then we were the ones going. There were at least as many stayaways telling us (well, me at least) we were idiots, the club was a shambles, 7 years previous they’d been watching Duggie and Ronnie in their pomp with us near the top of Div 1 etc etc.

Back to the current omnishambles, my money is on Broughton/JDT are already telling Waggott he can go into the Summer window with them or with  Sylvester, but not both.

I’d be very surprised in JDT and Broughton were delivering joint messages. Judging by their recent interviews they are working in silos, and I’m not sure how well they are getting on currently. I reckon it’s Broughton who JDT is furious with.

[47er]

8 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So playing devil's advocate, do you think £900k in wages plus no doubt a hefty loan fee for O'Brien for 5 months would have been "managing it wisely" either?

Rev, don't forget we've got 2 cock-ups here not just O'Brien. We've lost that 19 year old from Rochdale as well! There can't have been much in the way of financial implications there.

So usual rule applies imo, cock-up not deliberate conspiracy--the staff couldn't do the job they're paid for and we are badly run.

[Hi Mack]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Broughton explained the situation and it's one that we have accept it the circumstances which happened during the transfer window. We will learn lessons from it and get better equipped for the next one 

We absolutely don’t have to accept it. He may have pulled the wool over some of the more gullible eyes but we still didn’t sign a striker and botched our biggest signing since Jordan Rhodes.

The Rochdale lads paperwork got botched too……2 mistakes out of 2 signings! How?? I thought id have calmed down by now but……..seems I haven’t! 

[Exiled_Rover]

3 hours ago, Hasta said:

I’ve just checked his career stats and noticed we did sign him for a full season and a half. Bloody hell. That one has slipped my mind completely.

I've got about a 5 year gap in my Rovers knowledge, around about the time of the year of the four managers. There's loads of "wait, who's that? He played for us?" when watching us on SKY etc. 

[wilsdenrover]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Broughton explained the situation and it's one that we have accept it the circumstances which happened during the transfer window. We will learn lessons from it and get better equipped for the next one 

This isn’t directed just at you - what lessons have the club learnt since Venkys took over?

Maybe there are some but I’m struggling…

[47er]

4 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

It wouldn't bother me , if all the managerial team left including JDT , quickly followed by the owners ....

Incompetence is not the word , for this embarrassing charade .

 

There'll only be us fans left!

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, 47er said:

There'll only be us fans left!

benson and lowe,the managerial dream team🥵!!!!!!

[wilsdenrover]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Always tomorrow, never today

That's the motto of Venky Rovers. 

Semper cras, numquam hodie? nah, definitely not as good as Arte et Labore 

Edited February 4, 2023 by wilsdenrover