January Transfer Window.

[RoversClitheroe]

28 minutes ago, Danny O.Brien said:

I wish everyone would stop raving over Morton. He's decent yes but had got one assist and no goals in twenty starts. You'd think he was pirlo the way some people go on about him. If we could get better we should absolutely end the loan. But doubt we can or will.

Honestly think he's a league 1 player at best personally.

[Northcote blues]

40 minutes ago, Danny O.Brien said:

I wish everyone would stop raving over Morton. He's decent yes but had got one assist and no goals in twenty starts. You'd think he was pirlo the way some people go on about him. If we could get better we should absolutely end the loan. But doubt we can or will.

Your opinions on football become irrelevant when you rate sitting midfielders on goals + assists. A certain Tugay scored 11 goals in 233 rovers apps. Guess he was bang average too?

[JHRover]

Khadra confirmed at Birmingham,

I wouldn't have minded him back here to be honest. He chipped in with a few goals and assists last year and I think we could do with someone this month who is going to contribute there. He would have been an easy and cheap one to do and knows the team already.

Sadly I suspect that even he is out of our price range these days. My belief is we only got him and Van Hecke at the 11th hour because Brighton were happy to send them here to play regularly and were content to subsidise it. The moment other Championship clubs start coming along they will offer more than we will which means we are waiting until the last week to see what happens. 

[Sparks Rover]

23 minutes ago, Realistic Rover said:

Your opinions on football become irrelevant when you rate sitting midfielders on goals + assists. A certain Tugay scored 11 goals in 233 rovers apps. Guess he was bang average too?

Is it realistic to compare Tugay and Morton?

[Exiled_Rover]

11 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Khadra confirmed at Birmingham,

I wouldn't have minded him back here to be honest. He chipped in with a few goals and assists last year and I think we could do with someone this month who is going to contribute there. He would have been an easy and cheap one to do and knows the team already.

Sadly I suspect that even he is out of our price range these days. My belief is we only got him and Van Hecke at the 11th hour because Brighton were happy to send them here to play regularly and were content to subsidise it. The moment other Championship clubs start coming along they will offer more than we will which means we are waiting until the last week to see what happens. 

He doesn't have a footballing brain.

I'd much rather play Dolan and Markanday than Khadra.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He doesn't have a footballing brain.

I'd much rather play Dolan and Markanday than Khadra.

 

He’s too “ head down “ for me. As we used to say. - “ he dribbles when he comes up to a pair of feet “.

[RoversClitheroe]

8 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Is it realistic to compare Tugay and Morton?

Of course it is mate.

"Realistic Rover"

Lol

 

[Danny O.Brien]

43 minutes ago, Realistic Rover said:

Your opinions on football become irrelevant when you rate sitting midfielders on goals + assists. A certain Tugay scored 11 goals in 233 rovers apps. Guess he was bang average too?

He's supposed to be our creative midfielder. He offers nothing else. He isn't strong or good in the challenge. He certainly doesn't get box to box. This is why when he's played in a two, its next to Travis or Garret. Who can do both of the above, without ever really threatening going forward. 

Edit - I'm not saying Travis or Garret have done either particular well this season 😂 but that is the intention.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Danny O.Brien

[Mercer]

57 minutes ago, Realistic Rover said:

Your opinions on football become irrelevant when you rate sitting midfielders on goals + assists. A certain Tugay scored 11 goals in 233 rovers apps. Guess he was bang average too?

Bit of a one sided argument that.

But how many goals did Tugay set-up with either direct or indirect assists!?

[Mercer]

IMO, Morton is bang average at best.

I very much doubt he will eke out any sort of career at Liverpool.

Struggle to see what he brings to the party.

Think he's only selected by virtue of the terms our loan agreement with Liverpool.

[TheRevAshton]

At 20 years old there's some good potential in Morton, if he can bulk up a bit and be braver in the challenge he could make a solid player of himself.

 

[Guest]

55 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Sadly I suspect that even he is out of our price range these days.

Birmingham are skint. They've probably only got him because Brighton inserted financial penalties for him not starting. They'll have been really disappointed with his playing time at Sheffield United.

Somebody questioned JDT's ruthlessness on here the other day. Nonsense. JDT has had no qualms leaving players out, including the team captain, if they're not up to standard, even if it means having a temporary fall-out with them. He appears to be having honest chats and letting them know where they stand. I hope the comfort zone culture that we seemed to have under Mowbray has gone.

I mention this because I suspect we wouldn't be held to stipulations on loan players from the Premier League. Apparently, we didn't bother with the Ebiowei loan due to those exact stipulations. It's about time we grew a set of bollocks and started on the path of nurturing our academy players into the fold and buying our own players.

[islander200]

Morton has had some poor games but cmon lads "league one at best"," bang average"?

Is that why Dortmund have been scouting him and according to reports ready to bid £20 million for him in the summer window?

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Bit of a one sided argument that.

But how many goals did Tugay set-up with either direct or indirect assists!?

It’s not just that is it. He was instrumental in getting the ball from half into our opponents half safely.

[Northcote blues]

To all who replied, I’m not saying Morton is great. Just saying it’s silly to judge a midfielder with this heat map off goals and assists, as they’re clearly not his role in the team, and yes, comparing his position to Tugays as it’s the same 👍🏼.

[islander200]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Khadra confirmed at Birmingham,

I wouldn't have minded him back here to be honest. He chipped in with a few goals and assists last year and I think we could do with someone this month who is going to contribute there. He would have been an easy and cheap one to do and knows the team already.

Sadly I suspect that even he is out of our price range these days. My belief is we only got him and Van Hecke at the 11th hour because Brighton were happy to send them here to play regularly and were content to subsidise it. The moment other Championship clubs start coming along they will offer more than we will which means we are waiting until the last week to see what happens. 

Van Hecke is on £4.5 grand per week.No idea on Khadra but he signed a new deal.Brighton will want him more involved and we can't be offering Khadra a start every week.

We paid Povedas wages last season ,well a nice portion of them anyway no other reason for Leeds not cancelling the deal when he was ruled out for the majority of the season 

[G Somerset Rover]

The frustration with Morton for me is IMO he's blocking Wharton's progression with us and I personally don't believe the Liverpool lad to be a better player, which leads me to think that we have an agreement with Liverpool that he must start the majority of matches. If our whole club philosophy is to now increase value in players, then Wharton should be starting (granted with spells out of the 11 given his age).

[chaddyrovers]

14 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Ive got no idea which striker we can get, weve supposedly got an in depth recruitment team to find one. But if our intention is to get someone as back up to Sam bloody Gallagher then that doesnt show any intention of a genuine promotion push.

I didn't expect you give me names but I simple outlined the options where we should be looking for one

14 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I think you are practically alone in thinking so highly of Morton, and

Oh well. Plenty of fans can see Morton influence on the team and why he had a positive impact on our season

14 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

all 4 midfielders I mentioned would be our best in the position and a serious upgrade in quality which should be the aim of the window, an injection of quality not a bit of padding.

Are any of them affordable tho and it would block Garrett or Wharton path to the first team and we would be better using them plus Morton who has had a positive impact then bring in another loan midfielder. 

13 hours ago, Mercer said:

I honestly don't get your obsession with Cantwell.  

Any promise he showed earlier in his career has well and truly gone.  If he aint good enough for a poor Norwich team then he certainly isn't good enough for us.

Cos I think he could be real asset here under JDT. Plus the fact that he is available cheap or a free makes that deal worthwhile. 

1 hour ago, Danny O.Brien said:

I wish everyone would stop raving over Morton. He's decent yes but had got one assist and no goals in twenty starts. You'd think he was pirlo the way some people go on about him. If we could get better we should absolutely end the loan. But doubt we can or will.

No one has compared to Pirlo tho but you wouldn't judge him on assist or goals but on his touches and passes he did. 

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Honestly think he's a league 1 player at best personally.

Miles better than League 1 standard 

[Guest]

Just now, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

The frustration with Morton for me is IMO he's blocking Wharton's progression with us and I personally don't believe the Liverpool lad to be a better player, which leads me to think that we have an agreement with Liverpool that he must start the majority of matches.

Maybe. I hope not. I think we're better than that.

It's worth bearing in mind that Wharton is only 18, while Morton is 20. For his age, I think Morton is good at this level, but I think age doesn't really take the heat off from the supporters. If you're pulling on the shirt, it's because you're supposedly good enough to meet our ambitions.

While I'm massively excited about Wharton, he isn't flawless. I've seen him make suicidal passes, and he can be a bit too slow and arrogant on the ball. But the guy is 18, and he's absolutely superb for his age. He's just still very young, even more so than Morton. Both have bright futures, but I'm only bothered about Wharton, of course.

[Exiled_Rover]

18 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Morton has had some poor games but cmon lads "league one at best"," bang average"?

Is that why Dortmund have been scouting him and according to reports ready to bid £20 million for him in the summer window?

 

Bloody hell they're having their pants pulled down there.

[chaddyrovers]

33 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Bit of a one sided argument that.

But how many goals did Tugay set-up with either direct or indirect assists!?

Same as Morton has had. If you look at the Cardiff it was Morton with key passes like the pass to BBD who squared it to Dack to score as an example. 

29 minutes ago, Mercer said:

IMO, Morton is bang average at best.

I very much doubt he will eke out any sort of career at Liverpool.

Struggle to see what he brings to the party.

Think he's only selected by virtue of the terms our loan agreement with Liverpool.

So why are Dortmund looking to sign him then? 

 

4 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

The frustration with Morton for me is IMO he's blocking Wharton's progression with us and I personally don't believe the Liverpool lad to be a better player, which leads me to think that we have an agreement with Liverpool that he must start the majority of matches. If our whole club philosophy is to now increase value in players, then Wharton should be starting (granted with spells out of the 11 given his age).

We were playing Wharton with Morton at the start of the season but the last few weeks Wharton hasn't feature much and maybe there is reasons for that we don't know about. If Wharton deserve to start he would be under JDT

[Exiled_Rover]

17 minutes ago, Realistic Rover said:

To all who replied, I’m not saying Morton is great. Just saying it’s silly to judge a midfielder with this heat map off goals and assists, as they’re clearly not his role in the team, and yes, comparing his position to Tugays as it’s the same 👍🏼.

What app / programme is that?

[JHRover]

11 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Van Hecke is on £4.5 grand per week.No idea on Khadra but he signed a new deal.Brighton will want him more involved and we can't be offering Khadra a start every week.

We paid Povedas wages last season ,well a nice portion of them anyway no other reason for Leeds not cancelling the deal when he was ruled out for the majority of the season 

I think if he's on £4.5k a week at a PL club he needs to find himself a new agent. I think Waggott is on well over that. 

If the claims are true and we were offering to make Lenihan the top earner and we are paying Ayala a large whack it makes no sense to anyone that Van Hecke is on that at Brighton and is out of contract soon.

How much of Poveda's wage did we pay? I've no idea. Are Blackpool on a similar deal? Unlikely given they don't spend much money.

 

[davulsukur]

9 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

The frustration with Morton for me is IMO he's blocking Wharton's progression with us and I personally don't believe the Liverpool lad to be a better player, which leads me to think that we have an agreement with Liverpool that he must start the majority of matches. If our whole club philosophy is to now increase value in players, then Wharton should be starting (granted with spells out of the 11 given his age).

Not just Wharton, Garrett too who seems to be pushing his way into the managers thinking. 

For what it's worth I think Morton is a decent player, he won't make it at Liverpool I don't think but there is a decent player in there. His slight frame allows him to be pushed off the ball easily (and we've seen how costly this can be) but he's young and that can be worked on. 

During one of our recent live games on sky, one of the commentators pulled out a stat that he has created the most chances in our team this season. Not getting the assist if Gallagher is on the end of it.  

Suggestions on here that he's league one are well over the top though (not by you)

[superniko]

2 hours ago, Danny O.Brien said:

I wish everyone would stop raving over Morton. He's decent yes but had got one assist and no goals in twenty starts. You'd think he was pirlo the way some people go on about him. If we could get better we should absolutely end the loan. But doubt we can or will.

Mental isn't it, and people on here are saying Wharton has 'shown nothing' since Blackpool. He's had similar output in terms of G/A in about 1/10th the amount of starts as him!

Players like Morton should be ten a penny in an academy like Liverpool, they should be flying him straight to Dortmund for 20m if that rumour is anyway true

Edited January 10, 2023 by superniko