v The Dingles (a) - 13/11/2022

[DavidBrent]

4 hours ago, booth said:

You could have Himmler in charge and I'd still think he's preferable to Venkys, but we're comparing a disasterous 12 year reign to a disasterous 2(ish) years reign.

At the moment Pace has overseen the sacking of the best manager you've had in modern times, and a relegation so he's not spotless.

In other words we may be comparing different shades of shite here.

Venkys are probably richer than Pace could ever dream of but what's the point if they don't know a thing about football? For some reason they are hung up on making money from developing players rather than getting a share of the Premier League spoils, even though it leads to them losing more money than they get back year after year.

But would you swap him for your owners?

[booth]

8 minutes ago, DavidBrent said:

But would you swap him for your owners?

No, because we'd be swapping our incumbent suspect billionaires with a seemingly unlimited amount of disposable wealth, for a suspect millionaire without any disposable wealth (in football terms).

Unlike some of my fellow fans I don't want to see the club fall into administration.

[Silas]

6 hours ago, sympatheticclaret said:

When my Dad did his National Service between 1954-56, he was fortunate to gain a commission, and was a 19 year old 2nd Lieutenant serving in Egypt and Cyprus, commanding a Royal Signals section. He said the best advice he got was from the Regimental Colonel, " your Sergeant and his Corporal are both WW2 veterans, they know more about the job than you ever will, use the phrase " Carry on Sergeant " often, and things will run fine ".

Hell of an anecdote that. 

Would take a certain calibre of person to put ego and hubris aside and follow that advice through. 

Particularly at that young age. 

[Crimpshrine]

Still not recovered from Sunday. I can't get over the lack of reaction from our players when Barnes pushed Kaminski into the net after the first goal. It didn't even galvanise them into some sort of reaction. We just folded. Imagine Keeley, Flitcroft,Todd or Savage putting up with that. We need some players with some passion. I suspect Wharton may have reacted but, sadly, he wasn;t on the pitch. 

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, booth said:

No, because we'd be swapping our incumbent suspect billionaires with a seemingly unlimited amount of disposable wealth, for a suspect millionaire without any disposable wealth (in football terms).

Unlike some of my fellow fans I don't want to see the club fall into administration.

I just want the never ending nightmare of the Venkys reign of failure to end. 

Sometimes you can get away with giving something a new paint job and a bit of a fix up. Other times you need to tear it down to the ground and start again.

[Cuppliance]

20 hours ago, longsiders1882 said:

Ah so if you win the Premier League Trophy you become champions of the world - or maybe the universe?

Nonesense. And for the record when the PL was created, it was simply the old Division 1 rebadged. It has become harder in the intervening years but hadn't changed much by 94/5 - indeed many blame/credit Walker with distorting the competition and starting the financial arms race it has become.

I agree with a lot of what you said there. As a whole I respect your opinions on here as your evidently a fan of football as a whole and not just Burnley. The thing is though, the year we won the PL, we weren't the only team spending money. Man U fans still say we bought the league, but they spent a lot of money at the time too. So, if they beat West Ham on the final day, they would be saying they bought the league instead perhaps?

[Upside Down]

44 minutes ago, Cuppliance said:

I agree with a lot of what you said there. As a whole I respect your opinions on here as your evidently a fan of football as a whole and not just Burnley. The thing is though, the year we won the PL, we weren't the only team spending money. Man U fans still say we bought the league, but they spent a lot of money at the time too. So, if they beat West Ham on the final day, they would be saying they bought the league instead perhaps?

I think every player we were in for they also put a bid in as well. 

Show me a team that hasn't spent money to win the league in the last 30 years. This isn't the 60s anymore and even then players were being sold for record fees.

What the media and footballing establishment really hate about our Premier League win is that it flew in the face of everything the Premier League was supposed to be about. Wealthy clubs from big cities. We took them on at their own game and won. Much the same way as we did 100 years earlier when we became the first working class town team to win the FA Cup. 

[AllRoverAsia]

55 minutes ago, Cuppliance said:

I agree with a lot of what you said there. As a whole I respect your opinions on here as your evidently a fan of football as a whole and not just Burnley. The thing is though, the year we won the PL, we weren't the only team spending money. Man U fans still say we bought the league, but they spent a lot of money at the time too. So, if they beat West Ham on the final day, they would be saying they bought the league instead perhaps?

It has been proven again and again that we were not alone in spending "big" in the years that led to our PL title.

Other clubs, like the peasants of MU and Burnley, and the main media prefer to follow false narrative. 

Do tell them the truth whilst giving them a mile finger.

The truth is that any club with PL title aspirations spends "big", and fails, the fact that we quickly succeeded feeds the lies and deception of the false narrative....... As do (spending big) those with real intent of getting promoted out of Division 2 aka the Championship.

Edited November 18, 2022 by AllRoverAsia

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, AllRoverAsia said:

It has been proven again and again that we were not alone in spending "big" in the years that led to our PL title.

Other clubs, like the peasants of MU and Burnley, and the main media prefer to follow false narrative. 

Do tell them the truth whilst giving them a mile finger.

Plenty of teams have spent loads of money and won nothing. 
 

 

[longsiders1882]

8 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

Still not recovered from Sunday. I can't get over the lack of reaction from our players when Barnes pushed Kaminski into the net after the first goal. It didn't even galvanise them into some sort of reaction. We just folded. Imagine Keeley, Flitcroft,Todd or Savage putting up with that. We need some players with some passion. I suspect Wharton may have reacted but, sadly, he wasn;t on the pitch. 

Mind you when Kaminski threw himself on the floor, holding his head after he'd run out and pushed Barnes there wasn't much reaction from us to the attempted cheating. If Barnes' momentum carried him into the keeper that is unfortunate but just part of the game surely... 

31 minutes ago, Cuppliance said:

I agree with a lot of what you said there. As a whole I respect your opinions on here as your evidently a fan of football as a whole and not just Burnley. The thing is though, the year we won the PL, we weren't the only team spending money. Man U fans still say we bought the league, but they spent a lot of money at the time too. So, if they beat West Ham on the final day, they would be saying they bought the league instead perhaps?

I would always say this on spending. Money earned is different to a benefactor, however since 92 things have become so skewed by sovereign wealth fund owners, bored oligarchs and American chancers it is almost immaterial. Doesn't mean we shouldn't use it as a stick to beat you with.

Another factor that you guys rarely address is the "hidden" spend, the real big one, wages. I'd happily bet you were paying well over the market rate in wages to attract players - and could only do this thanks to Jack's largesse. In your shoes I would revel in it, it worked. It not only got you into the top division - and that cost a small fortune in comaprison to other clubs at the time - but enabled you to establish yourselves there. Enjoy it - we wouldn't turn away a Jack Walker if he knocked on our door tomorrow. As an aside the "Leicester" miracle was also well funded by a billionaire owner.

[AllRoverAsia]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Plenty of teams have spent loads of money and won nothing. 
 

 

As confirmed here

https://www.football365.com/news/biggest-spender-every-premier-league-season-chelsea-manchester-united-liverpool

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

5 minutes ago, longsiders1882 said:

Mind you when Kaminski threw himself on the floor, holding his head after he'd run out and pushed Barnes there wasn't much reaction from us to the attempted cheating. If Barnes' momentum carried him into the keeper that is unfortunate but just part of the game surely... 

I would always say this on spending. Money earned is different to a benefactor, however since 92 things have become so skewed by sovereign wealth fund owners, bored oligarchs and American chancers it is almost immaterial. Doesn't mean we shouldn't use it as a stick to beat you with.

Another factor that you guys rarely address is the "hidden" spend, the real big one, wages. I'd happily bet you were paying well over the market rate in wages to attract players - and could only do this thanks to Jack's largesse. In your shoes I would revel in it, it worked. It not only got you into the top division - and that cost a small fortune in comaprison to other clubs at the time - but enabled you to establish yourselves there. Enjoy it - we wouldn't turn away a Jack Walker if he knocked on our door tomorrow. As an aside the "Leicester" miracle was also well funded by a billionaire owner.

Well funded club wins a trophy. Shock horror ! It shouldn’t be allowed !

[AllRoverAsia]

4 minutes ago, longsiders1882 said:

Mind you when Kaminski threw himself on the floor, holding his head after he'd run out and pushed Barnes there wasn't much reaction from us to the attempted cheating. If Barnes' momentum carried him into the keeper that is unfortunate but just part of the game surely... 

I would always say this on spending. Money earned is different to a benefactor, however since 92 things have become so skewed by sovereign wealth fund owners, bored oligarchs and American chancers it is almost immaterial. Doesn't mean we shouldn't use it as a stick to beat you with.

Another factor that you guys rarely address is the "hidden" spend, the real big one, wages. I'd happily bet you were paying well over the market rate in wages to attract players - and could only do this thanks to Jack's largesse. In your shoes I would revel in it, it worked. It not only got you into the top division - and that cost a small fortune in comaprison to other clubs at the time - but enabled you to establish yourselves there. Enjoy it - we wouldn't turn away a Jack Walker if he knocked on our door tomorrow. As an aside the "Leicester" miracle was also well funded by a billionaire owner.

You are morphing into something quite odd and forgetting how you had 'benefactors' in your history. It's just that ours did it most successively.

I will piss on the Burnley grave the next time you lot tank, which you will.

I hope I live that long.

[tomphil]

How much did Liverpool spend i their quest for their one Premier league trophy ?

[DavidBrent]

10 hours ago, booth said:

No, because we'd be swapping our incumbent suspect billionaires with a seemingly unlimited amount of disposable wealth, for a suspect millionaire without any disposable wealth (in football terms).

Unlike some of my fellow fans I don't want to see the club fall into administration.

Ok.

So your order of preference is :-

Heinrich Himmler

The Venkys

Alan Pace

 

Solid logic is that.

[J*B]

Why are you lot getting so worked up?

We spent more under Jack than we would have without Jack and won the league. We paid higher transfer fees, more in wages and more on infrastructure than other clubs in the league because we had the money. It should be celebrated, not demonised. What where we meant to do, burn it? Give it to other clubs to beat us with? 

No wonder they try and use it against it, I’d be incredibly jealous of it to. Just like I am that City get to watch De Bruyne and Haaland, that Chelsea get to watch Havartz and Sterling. 

Blackburn Rovers are, like most town clubs have the odds set against them by the organisations. We’re not meant to win things. 

[Hasta]

Reading the last few pages, Sunday has scarred some of our posters more than they realise. They're desperately trying to find some sort of high ground to try and comfort ourselves and strike back against the result. If I was a Burnley fan I'd be pissing myself reading this.

We got hammered. JDT ballsed it up. Suck it up, don't rise to the (relatively tame) jibes and let's hope that by March he's learnt his lessons.

[DavidBrent]

1 minute ago, Hasta said:

Reading the last few pages, Sunday has scarred some of our posters more than they realise. They're desperately trying to find some sort of high ground to try and comfort ourselves and strike back against the result. If I was a Burnley fan I'd be pissing myself reading this.

We got hammered. JDT ballsed it up. Suck it up, don't rise to the (relatively tame) jibes and let's hope that by March he's learnt his lessons.

A million percent this.

Bang on.

[sympatheticclaret]

11 hours ago, Silas said:

Hell of an anecdote that. 

Would take a certain calibre of person to put ego and hubris aside and follow that advice through. 

Particularly at that young age. 

Dad was a Grammar school lad, grew up on a Council estate, lost his Dad ( lorry driver ) when he was 7 during the war ... but he reckons he was recommended for a Commission because he'd been made Head Boy at school. I suspect he didn't have the arrogance ( or confidence, depending on your view ) of the " Public School types " ...

He went on to Cambridge on a choral scholarship, first in his family to go to University, and spent his whole career running factories producing Greetings Cards, and specialist glass. He's 87 next month, been married to Mum for 63 years but now suffers from vascular dementia.

I got a golden ticket in life's lottery when I was born to those two people ...

Edited November 18, 2022 by sympatheticclaret
grammar

[arbitro]

A point regularly missed when we are accused of buying the Premier League is that lots of the players we bought (Shearer, Sutton, Le Saux to name a few) were sold on at a huge profit. In truth nearly every Premier League winner buys it but very few have a trading profit on their players.

[Boz]

49 minutes ago, sympatheticclaret said:

Dad was a Grammar school lad, grew up on a Council estate, lost his Dad ( lorry driver ) when he was 7 during the war ... but he reckons he was recommended for a Commission because he'd been made Head Boy at school. I suspect he didn't have the arrogance ( or confidence, depending on your view ) of the " Public School types " ...

He went on to Cambridge on a choral scholarship, first in his family to go to University, and spent his whole career running factories producing Greetings Cards, and specialist glass. He's 87 next month, been married to Mum for 63 years but now suffers from vascular dementia.

I got a golden ticket in life's lottery when I was born to those two people ...

A golden ticket indeed, cherish him and remind him of the fine life he has had, whilst also supporting your mother with such an awful condition impacting on your Dad and your family.

[rigger]

I wish we could have bought a win last Sunday.

Edited November 18, 2022 by rigger

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

We had a benefactor that funded the team in the Premiership - Jack Walker.

The dingles had a benefactor that funded the team in the Premiership - SKY and Murdoch in the old days.

What’s the difference ? Is the money a different colour ? Does it buy more ?

[Silas]

1 hour ago, sympatheticclaret said:

Dad was a Grammar school lad, grew up on a Council estate, lost his Dad ( lorry driver ) when he was 7 during the war ... but he reckons he was recommended for a Commission because he'd been made Head Boy at school. I suspect he didn't have the arrogance ( or confidence, depending on your view ) of the " Public School types " ...

He went on to Cambridge on a choral scholarship, first in his family to go to University, and spent his whole career running factories producing Greetings Cards, and specialist glass. He's 87 next month, been married to Mum for 63 years but now suffers from vascular dementia.

I got a golden ticket in life's lottery when I was born to those two people ...

My best wishes and thoughts to you and the family SC. 

Your folks certainly sound like a couple of gems. If only they'd put you in a blue and white baby grow, then we could all agree they'd absolutely nailed parenting. 😉

[Leonard Venkhater]

4 hours ago, Upside Down said:

I think every player we were in for they also put a bid in as well. 

Show me a team that hasn't spent money to win the league in the last 30 years. This isn't the 60s anymore and even then players were being sold for record fees.

What the media and footballing establishment really hate about our Premier League win is that it flew in the face of everything the Premier League was supposed to be about. Wealthy clubs from big cities. We took them on at their own game and won. Much the same way as we did 100 years earlier when we became the first working class town team to win the FA Cup. 

Pedants' Corner says Blackburn Olympic!