v The Dingles (a) - 13/11/2022

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, sympatheticclaret said:

Dad was a Grammar school lad, grew up on a Council estate, lost his Dad ( lorry driver ) when he was 7 during the war ... but he reckons he was recommended for a Commission because he'd been made Head Boy at school. I suspect he didn't have the arrogance ( or confidence, depending on your view ) of the " Public School types " ...

He went on to Cambridge on a choral scholarship, first in his family to go to University, and spent his whole career running factories producing Greetings Cards, and specialist glass. He's 87 next month, been married to Mum for 63 years but now suffers from vascular dementia.

I got a golden ticket in life's lottery when I was born to those two people ...

Huge sympathy to you and your family. I had to deal with vascular dementia in our family. It's a vile disease that reduces someone you loved into a shell of a human being. All the best

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

45 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Huge sympathy to you and your family. I had to deal with vascular dementia in our family. It's a vile disease that reduces someone you loved into a shell of a human being. All the best

A very good pal of mine had it. He was a clever guy and extremely well read. It was sad to see him at the end. I hope something different gets me in the end.

[sympatheticclaret]

1 hour ago, Silas said:

My best wishes and thoughts to you and the family SC. 

Your folks certainly sound like a couple of gems. If only they'd put you in a blue and white baby grow, then we could all agree they'd absolutely nailed parenting. 😉

Many thanks to you and others for the good wishes, I visited him yesterday in his care facility in Clitheroe ... He recalled his army number and could recite Latin quotes, but couldn't remember Mum's visit the previous day. He has a wonderful attitude to his condition ... he suffered a bad heart attack 27 years ago on holiday in Boston, resulting in a six-way bypass. His view then was that his natural life was over, and every day since has been a bonus. Since then, he's seen both his daughters marry, had 4 more Grandchildren and seen our Granddaughter, his great Granddaughter come into this world. He considers himself a lucky man !

As for the baby grow, mine should have been black & white, as he's a Nottingham lad who supports Notts County. We moved to Clitheroe in 1975, when I was 11, and I chose Burnley ( apologies for that ! ). I did however turn out for Blackburn Rugby Club for 15 years, if that's any help .... 😎

[booth]

9 hours ago, Upside Down said:

I just want the never ending nightmare of the Venkys reign of failure to end. 

Sometimes you can get away with giving something a new paint job and a bit of a fix up. Other times you need to tear it down to the ground and start again.

I don't think the club would survive admin, that's my fear.

[booth]

5 hours ago, DavidBrent said:

Ok.

So your order of preference is :-

Heinrich Himmler

The Venkys

Alan Pace

 

Solid logic is that.

Yes, and he's also long dead so I hope that paints an adequate picture of how disliked they are.

A businessman like Pace couldn't work with our club/debt - 12 years ago maybe.

Edited November 18, 2022 by booth

[booth]

5 hours ago, J*B said:

Why are you lot getting so worked up?

We spent more under Jack than we would have without Jack and won the league. We paid higher transfer fees, more in wages and more on infrastructure than other clubs in the league because we had the money. It should be celebrated, not demonised. What where we meant to do, burn it? Give it to other clubs to beat us with? 

No wonder they try and use it against it, I’d be incredibly jealous of it to. Just like I am that City get to watch De Bruyne and Haaland, that Chelsea get to watch Havartz and Sterling. 

Blackburn Rovers are, like most town clubs have the odds set against them by the organisations. We’re not meant to win things.

We spent less than Utd too, an often forgotten fact.

Be interested to know how it compared to the spending of Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham, Villa and Liverpool at that time.

[Upside Down]

4 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Pedants' Corner says Blackburn Olympic!

Yes I meant as a town but didn't really word it well.

We did have a benefactor when we won the league. 

He was a local lad who was a lifelong fan of the club and his business (the largest steel stockholder in Europe) was in the town. My dad worked there as did my uncle and so many other people who have been part of my life. 

So yes, we bought the league if that's what you want to call it, but unlike Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Leicester, United and all the others who tried and failed, we used our own money. 

[J*B]

3 hours ago, booth said:

We spent less than Utd too, an often forgotten fact.

Be interested to know how it compared to the spending of Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham, Villa and Liverpool at that time.

Yes, but my point is United are a city based northern powerhouse. Much like Arsenal, Newcastle, Spurs, Villa and Liverpool. Huge city clubs with phenomenal economic power. 

Rovers aren't, weren’t and will never be that and it’s simply down to geography (with a touch of politics and culture - but that’s for WDWY). Comparing us against them is comparing apples with pears. 

As I posted earlier: Rovers spent more when owned by Jack Walker than any other comparable club whether that’s in transfers, wages or infrastructure. It cannot be denied and should be celebrated. How lucky we where. 

[Upside Down]

2 minutes ago, J*B said:

Yes, but my point is United are a city based northern powerhouse. Much like Arsenal, Newcastle, Spurs, Villa and Liverpool. Huge city clubs with phenomenal economic power. 

Rovers aren't, weren’t and will never be that and it’s simply down to geography (with a touch of politics and culture - but that’s for WDWY). Comparing us against them is comparing apples with pears. 

As I posted earlier: Rovers spent more when owned by Jack Walker than any other comparable club whether that’s in transfers, wages or infrastructure. It cannot be denied and should be celebrated. How lucky we where. 

The thing we should celebrate is that all the money was generated in the town. We weren't bankrolled by war criminals or oligarchs from abroad. 

[Claytons Left Boot]

10 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

The thing we should celebrate is that all the money was generated in the town. We weren't bankrolled by war criminals or oligarchs from abroad. 

Very good points.

[J*B]

11 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

The thing we should celebrate is that all the money was generated in the town. We weren't bankrolled by war criminals or oligarchs from abroad. 

Couldn’t agree more. A local self made man bought the club, made a huge investment, won the biggest prize available and put a system in place to keep them competitive after his death. Phenomenal. Yep, we bought the League. And the League Cup! And wasn’t it great?! 

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

Yes I meant as a town but didn't really word it well.

We did have a benefactor when we won the league. 

He was a local lad who was a lifelong fan of the club and his business (the largest steel stockholder in Europe) was in the town. My dad worked there as did my uncle and so many other people who have been part of my life. 

So yes, we bought the league if that's what you want to call it, but unlike Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Leicester, United and all the others who tried and failed, we used our own money. 

I was only messing!

I fully agree with this. Wealth earned by a Blackburn workforce and Jack wanted to give something back.

Someone did say to me, though, if Jack hadn't bought Rovers, we would never have heard of Venky's!

Funny old game...

[tomphil]

We'd probably have ended up hearing about regular life in the 3rd or 4th tier though.

[Crimpshrine]

Still not recovered from Sunday. I can't get over the lack of reaction from our players when Barnes pushed Kaminski into the net after the first goal. It didn't even galvanise them into some sort of reaction. We just folded. Imagine Keeley, Flitcroft,Todd or Savage putting up with that. We need some players with some passion. I suspect Wharton may have reacted but, sadly, he wasn;t on the pitch. 

[Upside Down]

8 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

Still not recovered from Sunday. I can't get over the lack of reaction from our players when Barnes pushed Kaminski into the net after the first goal. It didn't even galvanise them into some sort of reaction. We just folded. Imagine Keeley, Flitcroft,Todd or Savage putting up with that. We need some players with some passion. I suspect Wharton may have reacted but, sadly, he wasn;t on the pitch. 

You a bot or something? 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

15 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

I was only messing!

I fully agree with this. Wealth earned by a Blackburn workforce and Jack wanted to give something back.

Someone did say to me, though, if Jack hadn't bought Rovers, we would never have heard of Venky's!

Funny old game...

I'd take Venkys for all of those wonderful year's, they feel like a dim and distant memory now but I'd still never give them up.

Venkys will fuck off one day, luckily I'm only 39 so it should be in my lifetime as well. 

Could always be worse as well - could be a gay, alcohlic, football hooligan currently in Doha - for example. 

[rigger]

12 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

I'd take Venkys for all of those wonderful year's, they feel like a dim and distant memory now but I'd still never give them up.

Venkys will fuck off one day, luckily I'm only 39 so it should be in my lifetime as well. 

Could always be worse as well - could be a gay, alcohlic, football hooligan currently in Doha - for example. 

Who happens to be a skint labourer.

[chaddyrovers]

On 14/11/2022 at 14:49, roversfan99 said:

Again you seem reluctant to blame Tomasson SPECIFICALLY REGARDING YESTERDAYS MATCH. Tomasson will sort it and we are 3rd in the league are your 2 standard lines, without showing any accountability. You also are now implying that players should or indeed were going away from the gameplan, a football team is an embodiment of its manager hence why so much stock is placed into their importance.

I posted what I thought Jon Dahl Tomasson got wrong including the formation selected. 

Players are on the field should make decisions in those situations and take some responsibly for themselves. They aren't babies. 

Yes, JDT sorted out this Win and loss streak didn't he? 

Yes we are 3rd in league and well above where I thought we would be at this stage. This next 4 weeks of getting them on the training pitch will be crucial and for him and the staff to coach them more than he has done in recent weeks. 

On 14/11/2022 at 14:49, roversfan99 said:

Your comment about my view of the academy players is not only incorrect but childish. Garrett was ok v Sunderland although never man of the match worthy, but in general I have not been overly impressed.

No surprised by your comment on Garrett. My view is very different on Garrett than yours. 

On 14/11/2022 at 14:49, roversfan99 said:

Ashley Barnes is a tosser but it was a perfectly valid goal, momentum took him into Kaminski albeit there was certainly some intention to leave one on him, but the ball had long since crossed the line.

 

I'm nothing to add to my original point on this 

On 14/11/2022 at 14:55, roversfan99 said:

I don't understand why footballers use social media in general, what he is doing makes sense, a week rest before a mini pre-season and back again. But surely he realises that it just rubs people up the wrong way.

I remember back in the Shane Duffy days when his "unlucky lads, we go again next week" tweets became a matter of parody, same with Elliott Bennett, better off without it.

Footballers are just normal people at the end of the day so why shouldn't they use social media just like we do? 

On 14/11/2022 at 14:46, CheshireRover said:

Nice to see that Dom Hyam has taken yesterday's defeat well enough to piss off to Dubai for some winter sun.

They got time off so some players will go on holiday like Hyam, Morton and Szmodics plus I'm sure plenty more have. Its just like us going on holiday when we book time off work. 

[rigger]

48 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I posted what I thought Jon Dahl Tomasson got wrong including the formation selected. 

Players are on the field should make decisions in those situations and take some responsibly for themselves. They aren't babies. 

Yes, JDT sorted out this Win and loss streak didn't he? 

Yes we are 3rd in league and well above where I thought we would be at this stage. This next 4 weeks of getting them on the training pitch will be crucial and for him and the staff to coach them more than he has done in recent weeks. 

No surprised by your comment on Garrett. My view is very different on Garrett than yours. 

I'm nothing to add to my original point on this 

Footballers are just normal people at the end of the day so why shouldn't they use social media just like we do? 

They got time off so some players will go on holiday like Hyam, Morton and Szmodics plus I'm sure plenty more have. Its just like us going on holiday when we book time off work. 

No it isn't. After that last performance, any paid employee in any walk of life would be trying to make sure it doesn't happen again, not going away to try to forget it happened. In the same post you have said JDT needs to have the players in for training, and also let them go on holiday, which is it ?

Edited November 20, 2022 by rigger

[tomphil]

Right that's the full week of official mourning done.

Time to let this go and move on, hopefully it doesn't define or wreck our season but an all out performance against PNE is a must.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I posted what I thought Jon Dahl Tomasson got wrong including the formation selected. 

Players are on the field should make decisions in those situations and take some responsibly for themselves. They aren't babies. 

Yes, JDT sorted out this Win and loss streak didn't he? 

Yes we are 3rd in league and well above where I thought we would be at this stage. This next 4 weeks of getting them on the training pitch will be crucial and for him and the staff to coach them more than he has done in recent weeks. 

No surprised by your comment on Garrett. My view is very different on Garrett than yours. 

I'm nothing to add to my original point on this 

Footballers are just normal people at the end of the day so why shouldn't they use social media just like we do? 

They got time off so some players will go on holiday like Hyam, Morton and Szmodics plus I'm sure plenty more have. Its just like us going on holiday when we book time off work. 

A week in hiding and this is the best counter argument you could think of?

It shows bias beyond the point of constructive debate to just pass off the blame onto the players when we lose, yet praise the manager upon victory. Tomasson made a series of strange tactical/personnel decisions that IMO led to a very comprehensive defeat.

I am aware of our league position and have praised it numerous times. It has no real relevance to a post specifically dedicated to 1 game.

Also, on social media, if any player is tone deaf enough to post that they are going to whatever location after being battered by our local rivals the day before, and I am as understanding as anyone of the use of a week rest prior to a mini pre season. But if they post it at that point, they deserve the criticism thrown their way.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, rigger said:

No it isn't. After that last performance, any paid employee in any walk of life would be trying to make sure it doesn't happen again, not going away to try to forget it happened. In the same post you have said JDT needs to have the players in for training, and also let them go on holiday, which is it ?

Yes, it is vital that we get the players back on the training field so JDT can get the training and understand more what he wants, But rest time is important for certain players. So, a week off and time with the family or friends then get back to the serious work. 

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

A week in hiding and this is the best counter argument you could think of?

It shows bias beyond the point of constructive debate to just pass off the blame onto the players when we lose, yet praise the manager upon victory. Tomasson made a series of strange tactical/personnel decisions that IMO led to a very comprehensive defeat.

I am aware of our league position and have praised it numerous times. It has no real relevance to a post specifically dedicated to 1 game.

Also, on social media, if any player is tone deaf enough to post that they are going to whatever location after being battered by our local rivals the day before, and I am as understanding as anyone of the use of a week rest prior to a mini pre season. But if they post it at that point, they deserve the criticism thrown their way.

A week of hiding? I haven't been hiding at all but sadly this message board isn't my priority. I have had more important things going on outside of this messageboard and football to be very honest. Also, I shouldn't have to answer to you about my time being on here and it's the second time you moaned at me about this now. 

I have also posted my opinions on where JDT went wrong in this game. Also, I haven't just blamed the players so stop with this BS again, But the players aren't babies and should be able to make decisions on the pitch without being told every little detail from JDT. Do you need your boss to tell you every detail of what he needs to with your job? 

 

[Cuppliance]

On 18/11/2022 at 09:20, longsiders1882 said:

As an aside the "Leicester" miracle was also well funded by a billionaire owner.

I do think Leicester was the first team in a long time to not buy the league. They just survived the season before, and I think they were expecting more of the same, but all the stars aligned. A manger that knew how to get the most out of his players and had an overachieving season while the big clubs all flopped simultaneously. I remember watching Leicester that season. There were a lot of wins that were by the skin of their teeth but they all count.

[oldjamfan1]

3 hours ago, Cuppliance said:

I do think Leicester was the first team in a long time to not buy the league. They just survived the season before, and I think they were expecting more of the same, but all the stars aligned. A manger that knew how to get the most out of his players and had an overachieving season while the big clubs all flopped simultaneously. I remember watching Leicester that season. There were a lot of wins that were by the skin of their teeth but they all count.

While I kind of agree with your sentiment, they still spent a shit load of money, by anybody's standards. Proportionately a lot more than Jack Walker did, and yet we got the 'bought the league' accusations (and still do).

[Upside Down]

5 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

While I kind of agree with your sentiment, they still spent a shit load of money, by anybody's standards. Proportionately a lot more than Jack Walker did, and yet we got the 'bought the league' accusations (and still do).

As my dad would always say, United were trying to buy it for ten years before they actually won it.