v Norwich City (a) - FAC3 - 8/1/23, 2pm

[Silas]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:23, J*B said:

.... is very laid back and confident and I don’t think that’s either appreciated, understood or liked. 

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Should it be at that age? 🤔

I'm as gutted as anyone we're not seeing more of him. 

But his career consists of about 2 or 3 matches. Can't be billy big time in the early days no matter how good a player.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:28, superniko said:

No Cantwell in the Norwich squad suggests he’s off somewhere. 

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Not Ewood I hope.

[superniko]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:33, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Not Ewood I hope.

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Yeah I agree. Don’t think he’s the type we’d be after anyway, high wages, bit of a risk, waste of young potential 

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:30, Silas said:

Should it be at that age? 🤔

I'm as gutted as anyone we're not seeing more of him. 

But his career consists of about 2 or 3 matches. Can't be billy big time in the early days no matter how good a player.

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Correct. When you look at what JDT achieved as a player - Champions League, Europa League, winning cups in Italy,playing in Serie A, playing in world cups, record goalscorer for his country - Wharton would be well advised to listen  to what his manager tells him is needed to make it to the top, rather than any sychophants that may have gathered round him. Otherwise he risks becoming another wasted talent.

[lraC]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:23, J*B said:

He lined up yesterday in the first eleven team (so I was told, but the same applied for JRC), so between then and last night something has changed. Either a niggle or JDT didn’t think he was putting enough effort in. 

I predict the latter. His attitude (if we’re to believe the rumours) is very laid back and confident and I don’t think that’s either appreciated, understood or liked. 

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Not too sure if Rich Sharpe is defending someone, but he has said on Twitter he isn’t 100%. Not said fit after it so could mean 100% frame of mind. 

[J*B]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:30, Silas said:

Should it be at that age? 🤔

I'm as gutted as anyone we're not seeing more of him. 

But his career consists of about 2 or 3 matches. Can't be billy big time in the early days no matter how good a player.

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Take this with a pinch of salt because I’ve no evidence to back to up, but I was once (about 3 years ago) told that Scott Wharton used to get really pissed off with Adam Wharton because John Buckley was playing but whenever ‘Adam could be bothered’ he was far far superior than Buckley in training, but Adam was always tired/cold/disinterested. If anyone can be bothered, use the search function and look up posts by my username and Wharton and you’ll find the original post. 

A top manager will get Adam playing (trying…) consistently and when they do, he’ll be a Premier League player. For what it’s worth I do think JDT is capable of managing him to that outcome. 

[AllRoverAsia]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:22, davulsukur said:

Big games needed from Markanday and Vale today.

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Yes,and I wish them all success.

A real look at Markanday and hopefully a more developed Vale will be interesting.

With the Garrett bite already in I would have preferred Adam W creativity in place of whatever Travis is supposed to provide.

[bluebruce]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:04, RoversClitheroe said:

Gutted to see Adam Wharton isn't starting, I genuinely think he's our best CM.

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I'm not just gutted - I think it's a joke.

[BankEnd Rover]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:49, AllRoverAsia said:

Yes,and I wish them all success.

A real look at Markanday and hopefully a more developed Vale will be interesting.

With the Garrett bite already in I would have preferred Adam W creativity in place of whatever Travis is supposed to provide.

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I hope Travis as captain isn’t some kind of sign that he’ll be coming back into the starting 11 moving forward. I’m looking forward to see him slow todays game down.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I’m not an expert on Norwich City but it doesn’t look like they aren’t playing their best 11.

[bluebruce]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:49, AllRoverAsia said:

Yes,and I wish them all success.

A real look at Markanday and hopefully a more developed Vale will be interesting.

With the Garrett bite already in I would have preferred Adam W creativity in place of whatever Travis is supposed to provide.

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I'm becoming worried by JDT's newfound liking for two defensive mids forming the entire central midfield. Like when he implemented it whilst losing to Boro wasn't it? We played that under Bowyer for ages and it was terrible. Probably his biggest recurring tactical mistake.

Edited January 8, 2023 by bluebruce

[Ianrally]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:36, Mashed Potatoes said:

Correct. When you look at what JDT achieved as a player - Champions League, Europa League, winning cups in Italy,playing in Serie A, playing in world cups, record goalscorer for his country - Wharton would be well advised to listen  to what his manager tells him is needed to make it to the top.

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A fair point in as much you can only learn from people with experience. The problem for me with JDT is I’m not sure he understands English football. He hardly pulled up any trees at Newcastle and 3 goals in 23 appearances is not the form of a centre forward in my eyes. A powder puff player. 

[BankEnd Rover]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:52, bluebruce said:

I'm becoming worried by JDT's newfound liking for two defensive mids forming the entire central midfield. Like when he implemented it whilst losing to Boro wasn't it? We played that under Bowyer for ages and it was terrible.

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Signs couldn’t be more obvious to us needing an attacking midfielder. 
 

Smallwood & Evans duo was bad enough under Mowbray.

Edited January 8, 2023 by BankEnd Rover

[Darrenbot]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:45, J*B said:

Take this with a pinch of salt because I’ve no evidence to back to up, but I was once (about 3 years ago) told that Scott Wharton used to get really pissed off with Adam Wharton because John Buckley was playing but whenever ‘Adam could be bothered’ he was far far superior than Buckley in training, but Adam was always tired/cold/disinterested. If anyone can be bothered, use the search function and look up posts by my username and Wharton and you’ll find the original post. 

A top manager will get Adam playing (trying…) consistently and when they do, he’ll be a Premier League player. For what it’s worth I do think JDT is capable of managing him to that outcome. 

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Could take someone who plays in his position thats done it at the top like a Lampard or a Gerrard to get him to knuckle down and listen

[WacoRover]

Looking at our 11, I am feeling a bit like I was, going into the Cup match vs West Ham. I didn’t feel great about that either, and I was surprised. Hopefully, a good selection, and we go forward in the FA Cup. 

Edited January 8, 2023 by WacoRover

[Admiral Nelsen]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:52, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’m not an expert on Norwich City but it doesn’t look like they aren’t playing their best 11.

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5 changes, apparently. Gibson and Sargent rested.

Still a strong side though, they're bringing in Krul who despite being their back up keeper, is probably paid as well as anyone in our squad. 

[BigBar]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:45, J*B said:

Take this with a pinch of salt because I’ve no evidence to back to up, but I was once (about 3 years ago) told that Scott Wharton used to get really pissed off with Adam Wharton because John Buckley was playing but whenever ‘Adam could be bothered’ he was far far superior than Buckley in training, but Adam was always tired/cold/disinterested. If anyone can be bothered, use the search function and look up posts by my username and Wharton and you’ll find the original post. 

A top manager will get Adam playing (trying…) consistently and when they do, he’ll be a Premier League player. For what it’s worth I do think JDT is capable of managing him to that outcome. 

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Does seem plausible...he body language comes across quite poor and looks miserable at times. Certainly not buoyant and full of exciting youth. Maybe it's just an immature thing but again, it does seem all is not well there.

I spoke to one of the players awhile back and it was just after Adam Wharton got a few games, around the Blackpool game and I said "Adam Wharton looks a baller" and he just glossed over it, talked about a few other players and got feedback on all bar Wharton. Wonder is there an attitude problem there now?

[chaddyrovers]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:15, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Looks like a 4-2-3-1.

I can’t see that team getting much today. I’d take a draw now. I’m losing faith with JDT at a rate of knots.

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Losing faith in JDT? 

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:22, ItsRoverZ said:

I get rested Hedges but I'd of had him start and put Markandy in Vales place.

Would of had A.wharton in for Travis too 

Feel like we could get a drubbing here if we are not on our game, they have néw manager bounce now too?

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Who plays up front then?

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:33, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Not Ewood I hope.

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I would deffo take him

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:52, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’m not an expert on Norwich City but it doesn’t look like they aren’t playing their best 11.

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They aren't. About 5 changes

Edited January 8, 2023 by chaddyrovers

[Tugayisgod]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:52, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I’m not an expert on Norwich City but it doesn’t look like they aren’t playing their best 11.

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I was thinking it looks a strong side !

[only2garners]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:57, Tugayisgod said:

I was thinking it looks a strong side !

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It's nearer to a full strength team than ours but not a true first 11.

[Silas]

  On 08/01/2023 at 13:45, J*B said:

Take this with a pinch of salt because I’ve no evidence to back to up, but I was once (about 3 years ago) told that Scott Wharton used to get really pissed off with Adam Wharton because John Buckley was playing but whenever ‘Adam could be bothered’ he was far far superior than Buckley in training, but Adam was always tired/cold/disinterested. If anyone can be bothered, use the search function and look up posts by my username and Wharton and you’ll find the original post. 

A top manager will get Adam playing (trying…) consistently and when they do, he’ll be a Premier League player. For what it’s worth I do think JDT is capable of managing him to that outcome. 

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Someone should send him for a chat with David Bentley.

Explain how talent doesn't always take you to the top.

Takes a hell of a lot extra than that. 

[Bethnal]

Anyone else looking at a black screen in RoversTV?

[andyh]

ESPN+ in the US, so no Rovers TV, but no Rovers audio,..,Norwich audio only. 

[WacoRover]

  On 08/01/2023 at 14:06, andyh said:

ESPN+ in the US, so no Rovers TV, but no Rovers audio,..,Norwich audio only. 

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Yeah I’ve got it on ESPN+, lots of technical difficulties so far. 

Wharton clattered by Hanley, cannot continue 

[J*B]

  On 08/01/2023 at 14:08, WacoRover said:

Yeah I’ve got it on ESPN+, lots of technical difficulties so far. 

Wharton clattered by Hanley, cannot continue 

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Is it stuttering/keep going to a black screen for you, out of interest?